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View Poll Results: Who hurt this case the most?

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  • M.Lacy

    15 13.04%
  • The Ramsey's&their team

    47 40.87%
  • LE,FBI

    47 40.87%
  • the media

    7 6.09%
  • everybody involved

    27 23.48%
  • experts and wanna be experts

    8 6.96%
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    Question Who hurt this case the most?

    Remember,you can choose more than 1 option.
    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "

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    That's a tough one. There were just SO many errors. I'd have to say we have to go back to the beginning- to the very first day. I'd lay the blame on the first LE on the scene- French and Arndt.
    French for not having the sense to open the door by any means possible, and also for not refusing admission to the horde of evidence-tampering R friends and clergy. By discovering JB's body before the parents touched it, he could have ensured that any fibers or evidence from the parents found on the body didn't happen after that point. It would have put that evidence more firmly in the area of having been left during the crime/staging.
    I blame Arndt for allowing any of them out of her sight. She had a gun. She could have kept them in one room and simply waited for reinforcements. She allowed free-range all over an active crime scene. Though she didn't know at that point it was a murder, a kidnapping is also a crime where evidence found in the home of the victim is of paramount importance. She also touched the body and allowed her to be covered with a blanket, further contaminating the evidence. It's like she forgot everything she learned as far as protocol and proper procedures.
    These were "fatal errors" done so early in the investigation and to me, there was no fixing it at that point. This two officers were a defense attorney's dream.
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    I agree DeeDee
    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    I agree DeeDee
    so do i - among other things it made it harder to convict the real intruder

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    Quote Originally Posted by voynich View Post
    so do i - among other things it made it harder to convict the real intruder
    What do you say about M.Lacy's decisions then and I don't mean the R's exoneration now but the rest of it,not testing the murder weapon for starters(IDI's claim it was the ligature,right?).If she already took the case why didn't she do what LE is supposed to do now?Isn't it a sad irony that she made the same mistakes,maybe even worse ones that will definitely affect a possible future IDI charge/conviction,as LE did back then ?
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    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    What do you say about M.Lacy's decisions then and I don't mean the R's exoneration now but the rest of it,not testing the murder weapon for starters(IDI's claim it was the ligature,right?).If she already took the case why didn't she do what LE is supposed to do now?Isn't it a sad irony that she made the same mistakes,maybe even worse ones that will definitely affect a possible future IDI charge/conviction,as LE did back then ?
    I'm interested in hearing an answer myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    I'm interested in hearing an answer myself.

    Think I'll get one?
    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    I'm interested in hearing an answer myself.

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    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    What do you say about M.Lacy's decisions then and I don't mean the R's exoneration now but the rest of it,not testing the murder weapon for starters(IDI's claim it was the ligature,right?).If she already took the case why didn't she do what LE is supposed to do now?Isn't it a sad irony that she made the same mistakes,maybe even worse ones that will definitely affect a possible future IDI charge/conviction,as LE did back then ?
    Hi madeleine.


    Why wouldn't the ligature be retested using the new technology available? Dna degrades through time. Advances in dna technology occurs each year, Why wouldn't the PBD and DA take advantage of this?

    Is it cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    Hi madeleine.


    Why wouldn't the ligature be retested using the new technology available? Dna degrades through time. Advances in dna technology occurs each year, Why wouldn't the PBD and DA take advantage of this?

    Is it cost?
    Hi Tad!
    That's what I meant,why didn't Lacy do it?Why did she test only what was important for her decision to clear the R and she didn't bother with the rest that would have definitely helped the case?
    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "


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    I agree with everything that been said here cause now if anyone can be charged with this murder can agrue about the RN,and all the other evidence...
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    There were so many irreversible errors, every step of the way, but...

    What has always baffled me the most was the Ramsey's refusal to be interviewed/ questioned by the authorities.

    I can almost understand their 'lawyering up' as quickly as they did, as Mr. Ramsey was a legally savvy, astute businessman.

    But... the Ramseys not 'allowing' the authorities to question them (for days, weeks and then months!), has just always given me such a bad feeling.

    Also, the detectives treating the Ramseys with such kid gloves, and allowing this to happen (the Ramseys dictating when and if and how they would be questioned), was just as shameful.
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    BUMPING- for those who may have missed.
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    Linda Arndt, by letting John search the house instead of LE!!!
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    I voted for Lacy because I think she made a dreadful error which could render prosecution of this case impossible for all time. Until she wrote that letter, there was a chance that justice might be served, regardless of the errors made elsewhere.

    However, there's more than enough blame to go around. In no particular order:


    Failing to protect the crime scene on day one, then compounding this by allowing the further decimation of the evidence by Pam a day or two later, are corking examples of LE's incompetence.


    AH apparently presuming the Ramseys were guilty and refusing to execute the subpoenas and warrants etc that he should have presumed would exculpate them.


    The leakers of information to the media who made it impossible for the police to separate the wheat from the chaff (eg. Chris Wolff's GF reading the latest news in The Globe then changing her stories to ST; JMK reading up on what was known by every half-knowledgeable JBR student on the planet and manipulating a couple of naive people into believing his tales..etc).


    Private citizens inserting themselves into the case to the extent that they were personally soliciting information and evidence - information which would be questionable and evidence which would have chain of custody issues purely because they had passsed through a private citizen's hands.

    The Ramseys not talking to police about JBR's life from day one.


    Actually, the Book of Genesis has shorter lists...
    Last edited by Sophie; 09-17-2009 at 06:42 PM.

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