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    CA - Sante & Kenneth Kimes charged in the murder of David Kazdin

    I know that this doesn't belong on this board, but I spent the day at the Kimes trial today. Will return Monday in expectation that Mama will testify. You want to talk about rivetting. Kenny Kimes' testimony (part II) gives new meaning to the word "intense."

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    I saw on CTV's website, that Sante "wished him well" as he went off to murder a family friend... Sicko!!!
    This is the year to locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin NamUs MP#876 and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff NamUs MP#6410 and bring them home to their families!

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    Those 2 remind me of Jackie and Scott Peterson. Each resembles the other and they seem to have an *odd* relationship. Never have been able to get the similarities out of my mind.

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    The woman (writer) who was on Courttv sat behind me. I told her that I had read her book after which she told me that she would give me an autograph. I demurred, saying that I really didn't need it. But I got it anyhow. She's obnoxious but a walking encyclopedia on the case.
    What a fascinating day in court. Unlike anything I have ever experienced. The prosecution's case is ended and now Sante wants 40 witnesses or, her lawyer said, she doesn't feel that she will get a fair trial. Judge KAthleen Kennedy-Powell answered, "I'm sorry to hear your clent feels that way." KK-P was the presiding judge at the Simpson preliminary hearing.

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    Met a writer who is doing a book. She said that the relationship is something she is investigating thoroughly. Everyone glibbly says incense but she is doing a really intense research. She wrote a major piece in VAnity Fair on a similar scene before Irene Silverman was murdered by the duo. Know what thwarted it? The owner of the house had a dog which Sante was deathly afraid of.
    Anyhow, the parting words of Kimes's attorney, "my client wants 40 witness" and I muttered that all the way to my car. Not even laughing, just shaking my head.

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    I visited the courtroom during jury deliberations when the Kimeses were on trial in Manhattan.

    If you know about that case, that of the murder of Irene Silverman, then you know that there are parallels worth quoting to the SODDI Brigade which like to assert that there is "no evidence" against SP. What they are saying, of course, is that there may be little or no physical evidence against SP.

    But then I would remind them of the case of NYS v. Sante and Kenneth Kimes in which there was:
    NO body even
    NO blood
    NO crime scene
    NO time of death
    NO cause of death

    All there was was CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. And it was compelling. And it was enough to convict the mother and son, despite all that the DA lacked. But no matter how often I tell them about this case and another with similar circumstances, and identical outcome, they keep repeating their mindless mantra: There's no evidence. SP is innocent.

    It's willfully ignorant, IMO.

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    Thank you, lisafremont. Right on target. Nada, nothing except, maybe, Sante Kimes's "To-do" lists. But the circumstantial evidence (along with Dr. Bierbaum ?) convicted both times.

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    Kenny Kimes repeated the "family" mantra today of Sante's "No body, no murder." Added to that was Sante's habit of disposing of bodies in dumpsters and you have the answer as to what happened to Irene Silverman.

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    Yeah, similar to Dr. Robert Bierenbaum, also convicted.

    That "no body, no murder" mantra reminds me of this case in that I think we all agree that SP thought Laci was gone for good. And with no body there would be no case, no charges, no trial, no prosecution. He'd be free by the end of January to go on with his grubby little life. I guess he never heard of Chandra Levy and how publicized that was.

    He's a killer, but like many first-time murderers, not a very good one. IMO OC

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    I too was "in court" on numerous occasions for the Sante and Kenny Kimes trial when it was in Manhattan. Really STRANGE case! Even though I believe they are guilty - I don't believe that a resonable amount of circumstancial evidence was provided to give them the sentence they received. I knew the defense attorneys and met the prosecutors. Hey - Sante even called me at home once.... that was really strange.... oh well


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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDog
    I too was "in court" on numerous occasions for the Sante and Kenny Kimes trial when it was in Manhattan. Really STRANGE case! Even though I believe they are guilty - I don't believe that a resonable amount of circumstancial evidence was provided to give them the sentence they received. I knew the defense attorneys and met the prosecutors. Hey - Sante even called me at home once.... that was really strange.... oh well
    She was on the witness stand again today. Kenny-Boy seems to have spilled his entire guts to the LADA's Office: admitted to strangling Mrs. Silverman and drowning the Arab banker in the Bahamas. He's coming tomorrow (Tues.) for rebuttal.
    Sante was a sight to behold. Who ever thought that she's be dull? I caught myself wandering after 8 hours of testimony re writing the military in Qata in order to volunteet her services in finding Bin LAden.
    Good for you for going to the trial. I envied you New Yorker's possibilities. I am the only public person in court. Everybody else is media which is why everybody missed Sante's mouthing the words "Pray for me" as she was being wheeled out. The media was busy comparing quotes!

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    Do you think Kenny will ever "tell" where he dumped the body of Irene Silverman???

    So much for the crime spree of "Mommy and Clyde!"

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    Family motto was "No body, no crime," and his testimony that they "always" used dumpsters. He's already said that he dumped her body in a New Jersey construction site. Like Simpson's knife, it and Irene went to a garbage dump. Fishkill?
    He's on the stand again this morning and I gotta hear him. The jury has now heard about the other murder conviction and admission of the Nassau banker's murder. He will rebutt Sante's claims that his admissions are the result of "torture" by the police and the prosecutor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDog
    I too was "in court" on numerous occasions for the Sante and Kenny Kimes trial when it was in Manhattan. Really STRANGE case! Even though I believe they are guilty - I don't believe that a resonable amount of circumstancial evidence was provided to give them the sentence they received. I knew the defense attorneys and met the prosecutors. Hey - Sante even called me at home once.... that was really strange.... oh well
    AtomicDog, Just caught up with this old post.

    What do you mean there wasn't a reasonable amount of CE for the sentence??

    In hindsight, we have Kenny's confession on the stand in Mama's case, so we know that they did it and now we know how.

    Are you quibbling with the sentence or the verdict??

    I totally disagree, btw---- When they were arrested, Sante had Irene's passport on her!! Then there was their attempts to fool a notary public into notarizing their forged deed. And then there's that fake document. AND there are all the notebooks with Sante's compulsive listmaking, a real How To Kill. And there's Kenny's alias in renting the room at Irene's...PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND IT SPELLS LWOP!!!

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    And let's not forget that Sante had Irene's Silverman's personal key ring. I believe it was marked with red nail polish. What was Sante's reasoning? She lied when she said that her old friend let her (Sante) walk around with her things all the time. Like, yea, I let total strangers walk around with my house keys, passport, social security number, $10,000 in new currency (presumably from IS's safe) and quite claim to my 8 million dollar home. I am not even mentioning her notebooks and To Do lists!!!!!!!!!!!
    I would do almost anything to get the trial's transcripts in any way shape or form. Who needs true-life thrillers?
    And the sentence, as far as I remember, was the compilation of all the steps up to and including the murder. Kidnapping, inter-state transportation, premeditation, theft, forgery etc. 128 and 120 year sentences are just about right on target.

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