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    The Lab and Building

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    Thanks, JBean. :-)

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    Amistad Street Building Opening

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    The new research building at 10 Amistad Street is home to three programs focusing on translational research, linking basic studies in animal models to potential cures.

    The 3 programs are:
    The Interdepartmental Program in Vascular Biology and Therapeutics
    Human and Translational Immunology Program
    Yale Stem Cell Center

    http://medicine.yale.edu/ysminfo/top.../05102007.html

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    Some Images Of Amistad Street Building


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    It is hard to believe that someone could be murdered in a lab during working hours and no one else not know. The news reports have not addressed the lab room(s) that Annie was working in at Amistad. The only thing we know is that the animals were in the basement.
    Was no one else working in the basement?
    Is it one big room or many small rooms in the basement?
    Are there glass panels in the doors and walls where people can see into rooms or solid doors and walls?
    Are the walls that soundproof that no one heard arguing/screaming/struggling?
    Why hasn't a floorplan of the basement/building been released? They don't have to release information on where the body or bloody clothes was found to avoid jeopardizing the current investigation but at least a floor plan would be nice.

    To strangle someone and stuff their body behind a wall takes some time to do. Where was everybody else in the building?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoebox View Post
    To strangle someone and stuff their body behind a wall takes some time to do. Where was everybody else in the building?
    Respectfully snipped.

    I am puzzled by this also. Not only is there the time to actual commit the crime, but then to hide the body, and change into new clothes while hiding the old clothes?

    That's why I'm leaning towards someone else being there and helping out. One person takes care of of the clothes, and general scene cleanup, while the other is disposing of the body.

    On top of that, I also wonder how crowded the building would have been on that day, especially at mid to late morning.

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    I don't know the layout of the basement in Amistad, but here is something I wrote in another thread based on the layout of the rodent facility where I work:

    The suites in our facility are not too large, and have doors with small windows in them. It is possible for one person to work alone and be completely undisturbed. The lab/animal techs may come in and out, but if there was one tech assigned to a particular set of suites, and that tech may have been aware that Annie was the only person *supposed* to be working in that suite.

    Even if the crime was not premeditated, I can easily believe that the tech could have assaulted her without raising the attention of other staff (based on the layout of our facility). In this scenario, the body could be left in the suite (possibly behind a rack of cages). Triggering the fire alarm would have provide ample time to clear the facility of staff and permit the tech to hide the body.

    As I said, pure speculation based on the facility here. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postdoc View Post
    I don't know the layout of the basement in Amistad, but here is something I wrote in another thread based on the layout of the rodent facility where I work:

    The suites in our facility are not too large, and have doors with small windows in them. It is possible for one person to work alone and be completely undisturbed. The lab/animal techs may come in and out, but if there was one tech assigned to a particular set of suites, and that tech may have been aware that Annie was the only person *supposed* to be working in that suite.

    Even if the crime was not premeditated, I can easily believe that the tech could have assaulted her without raising the attention of other staff (based on the layout of our facility). In this scenario, the body could be left in the suite (possibly behind a rack of cages). Triggering the fire alarm would have provide ample time to clear the facility of staff and permit the tech to hide the body.

    As I said, pure speculation based on the facility here. Hope this helps.
    Hi postdoc! Does your facility have those large supply cart things with the zipped fabric covers for caging supplies? That's how I'd move a body in my facility. I could roll it right past people and they wouldn't give it a second thought.

    Yes, an attack could easily occur in my facility also.
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    The fact that she would be kicking and screaming, sometime before noon, makes me think she was lured to a place where she was kept until she was murdered. Until we find out if she had defensive wounds, or chemicals in her system (does chloroform show up on a dead body if she was unconscious for a period of time before being killed?), we won't know if she had a fighting chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labrat View Post
    Hi postdoc! Does your facility have those large supply cart things with the zipped fabric covers for caging supplies? That's how I'd move a body in my facility. I could roll it right past people and they wouldn't give it a second thought.

    Yes, an attack could easily occur in my facility also.
    Yes! Great idea - something to keep in mind


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    I would also add to Postdoc's post that 10 am is still pretty early in vampire-grad student time. The techs would be around, but other grad students would be sort of trickling in in all likelihood. The layout plus the hour would mean that she could be completely alone down there with just a couple techs roaming about.

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    I have read several different news reports that state three of RC's relatives worked at the lab - has anyone else heard this? I thought it was just RC, his fiance, his sister and brother-in-law...

    Clark lives with his fiance, a young woman who also works as a Yale lab tech. Three of his relatives work there too.
    - http://www.kcbs.com/Investigation-Co...tudent/5234258

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    I had to bring this out of the closed thread because I can not let this plain wrong information stand-

    Wrong. Research on mice is not regulated extremely tightly and barely regulated at all. They are not covered under the animal welfare act. Your information is simply not correct:http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=119904&page=1

    these facilities can go through thousands of mice and rats a month.

    Yes, we may even go through more, but that doesn't mean we can do whatever we want with them. You are just wrong. I suggest you take a look at this: http://info.med.yale.edu/iacuc/

    The only regulations are not really regulations but a set of standards of care that only apply to federally funded projects (and often student work is not) and those are loose and self reported. This is wrong also. Students are required to work under an approved IACUC protocol. All rodent work is. If your protocol expires, you can not touch your animals until it is renewed. They are absolutely not loose and certainly not self reported.
    If you or I or any amateur with no credentials or professional or academic with credentials, wished to buy 100 lab mice and see how long it took to blind them by dipping them in an ammonia solution, or how they reacted to pain of needles stuck in them or how long they lived in a hot oven -- we would not be breaking any laws. (don't get me wrong all of that sounds terrible to me)

    Yes, you are correct here. If you wanted to buy the mice at a pet store and sit in your home and do this, you absolutely could. The thing is, you absolutely could NOT do this inside a Yale animal facility. Here you go- http://info.med.yale.edu/iacuc/applicants.html

    I think this whole animal rights thing for this case is a compelty off the tracks and not supported by a shred of evidence. That's because you are not familiar with how this system works. everything points to unrequited obsession or less likely but still possible, a badly ended affair. Animal rights activism is something in its lighter forms most people would agree with and in its more sever forms something most people consider fringe, ie most people thing it is wrong to beat a dog, but not wrong to own aquarium fish or step on a bug. It is a potlitcal issue though and I think people are sticking their poltics into a crime which has nothign to do with animal rights, animal welfare or either the sober or nutty people concerned with it.

    I saw some of those issues about a possible issue over animal care. Inside an animal facility at Yale, it is not a political issue. Take a look at this- http://info.med.yale.edu/iacuc/whistle.html It can be a real source of friction at times, depending on the personalities involved. I have had animal technicians removed from my rooms because they were taking very poor care of my mice, even after several reprimands. I have also had animal technicians report me for overcrowded cages when I didn't get to my weaning on time.

    http://grants.nih.gov/grants/olaw/faqs.htm

    Just a note- A lot of what I post is my opinion based on my experience. However, when I talk about animal use guidelines in federally funded research, animal use protocols, things of that nature- that is not my opinion. I can back all of that up.
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    Has there been anything said about when the next person to enter the lab (after RC) arrived, who it was, or if anything seemed out of the ordinary, like an unfinished experiment or anything amiss? MOO
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    I'd definitely like to find out how far apart are the areas she was last seen and where her body was found. If she was only seen entering the lab, could her body have been transported from where she was last seen to where she was found without being seen? And who were the next people to be seen entering and leaving the lab in the hour or so after she was last seen? Did it include the suspect?

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