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  1. #46
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    This is in answer to question about statistics. No just because it is workplace violence does not mean it does not count in the statistics. The determining factor for if it has to be reported is location. If it happened on campus - or in a university facility or on public access ways immediately surrounding campus - it must be reported.

    I will clarify that if a university is unable to get the crime statistics for the public access areas - then they can report the information as unavailable.

    I know I did the reporting for a university for twenty years. I hope this helps.

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    The owner of the company - where I got my first office job - would come up behind us girls when we were filing & push his whole body into us.....it was so creepy we'd let the stacks of papers to be filed get a foot high before we'd do the filing because we knew he'd be there in minutes to start rubbing on us...his wife worked there too but since she was in another room, it didn't bother him to do this with her 20 ft away....this was 'back in the day' before women could really speak up for themselves, especially in a small town, where everybody knew everybody, and the good ol' boys watched out for each other....needless to say, there was a frequent turnover.

    My next job was doing collections for patient billing & one of the patients, a 75 y/o woman, threatened me on the phone & said she was coming to the office to 'take care of' me - and indeed within 10 minutes, she'd stormed into the room & immediately came behind my desk & was shaking her finger in my face while yelling & cursing...I stood up, she backed away, then I left the room to go get the business offiice manager.

    Next job-- the owner was hot-tempered, and when he'd get mad we could all hear him huffing & stomping down the hall on his way to whoever was on his radar at the time....his face would get really red, beads of sweat would pop out on his forehead, and the buttons on his shirt looked as those they were about to pop....I once heard him tell the top salesperson (female) "it just burns my azz to write you this commission check"...I never heard him tell one of the male salesreps *any* thing like this....he always yuk'd it up with them, buddy-buddy style.

    Two incidences of customers, while I was onsite: 1) customer wanted me to work on his LAN altho I was there to work on the call accounting software for the phone system...he asked me to go into the office with him, then he started yelling at me to 'sit down right there' while shaking his arm pointing to a chair....I told him I wasn't going to sit down, and in fact, was going to leave...he could take it up with the owner.
    2) customer asked a question that I didn't know the answer to (regarding the sale & contract,etc) and I was onsite for technical reasons....I told him I could get the answer for him or he could contact the sales rep who would have it....he rushes to the desk (with a blue-red face from his rage, spit flying out of his mouth) where I was sitting with one of his employees, hits the $1500 telephone & attendant console we'd just installed, and sent it flying several feet onto the floor....I stood up, made it a point to get in his personal space (actually hoping he'd hit me in front of the 20+ people who were all watching this go down so that I could file charges on him AND sue him), and he was no longer so brave...I told him I was leaving which I did...went back to the office (almost puking driving back because I was so freaked out!!) & reported the incident to The Incredible Hulk owner, and he told me I had to go back!! I refused but days later did go back on the condition that the violent customer was not on the premises....the techs had already told me that they thought this customer was a wife beater, because they'd already seen & heard him yelling @ his wife, and she just quivered.

    At my next job had a co-worker that all of us pegged as a psycho jerk...he also yelled at me in meetings (altho he was a jerk to everyone, we all recognized he had a problem with women in authority) & also yelled at me to sit down.....this same co-worker talked about how great his chili was, and then he cooked a big pot for our team...for obvious reasons, no one wanted to eat his chilli, which reeeeally pizzed him off....he got his pot of chili, went & the door & emptied the chili in the parking lot, while cursing & yelling about how ungrateful we were....we were all relieved when he was terminated due to his attendance & performance issues....we were truly concerned that he would 'go postal' on us one day.

    Another of my co-workers had a customer in San Antonio threaten to drive to Austin to kill him....that incident was referred to security.

    Thank goodness at my current job there's only been the one incident (I posted about it on another thread) with the co-worker raging- seemingly losing touch with reality....that was years ago & I'm glad there's been nothing else as unnerving (in terms of having the 'fight or flight' instinct kick in) since.

    Sorry post is so long, but it's just my experience that people who want to control others - who refuse to be controlled by rage -can find themselves in scary situations, and even tho there is an office full of other people watching it happen, no one does anything -- not even men!!...guess they were scared, too.
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    One common theme here is that once a victim is isolated, the violence by a perpetrator suddenly appears (Mr. or Ms. nice person turns into a monster) or it increases in intensity (it has already been displayed, but escalates).

    My recommendation to anyone (having lived through some experiences) is that when working or in any other situation: try to avoid being in a place where you could be isolated and attacked.

    I know it's not easy, especially when you are threatened with losing your job--it is a dilemna.
    Last edited by concentric; 09-19-2009 at 12:39 PM.

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    One significant memory keeps coming up.

    One of my positions as a pharmacist was working in a methadone clinic - my team was specifically assigned to work with pregnant women and our goal was to keep mom, and therefore the fetus, from withdrawal. Threats on our life were rampant (Dr. Nurse, Pharmacist). Eventually we had security assigned to walk us to our car each evening. I finally reached the point where fearing for my life was occurring on a daily basis - I resigned and went to work elsewhere.
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    I've had several incidents that have happened to me personally. In all cases it was in a position where one of the main focus of my position was to review others work. The most memorable two are below:

    1. A male, normal acting and looking up until this point, employee had to be reprimanded by me because he had sent out an email that was deemed 'inappropriate' by the head of the company. I tactfully spoke with him about it and thought the problem was resolved and that he understood. The next day he brought a gun in with him to work and carried it around with him in his waist band all day. Upon leaving he lifted up the back of his jacket and flashed the gun to me. I asked him to do it again and he obliged. He left work. I called corporate security which immediately had me leave town (he knew where I lived) for the weekend (it was a Friday). He was immediately fired. He had also defaced company property that day (the bathroom). He was sent to a criminal profiler posing as a 'counselor' to determine the level of threat that he was to me. It was determined that the threat level was high. I was given armed body guards 24 hours a day until the company moved me to a new home (at their expense), moved my office and made appropriate security changes. I lived in fear until I moved out of that city several months later (the company ended up transferring me to another city far, far away). I had to learn to take different routes to work each day. Up until the day of the email, you would not have known that this man had this kind of anger/rage/whatever in him. He looked neat, clean cut and was a good worker generally. He was polite and did not show any signs that I could see. Apparently, he had a deep seated hatred of women and despised the fact that a woman was 'in charge' of him.

    2. Different company...an employee sent me threatening emails. Some that just said "DIE!!". I reported all. Employee was only written up. This employee would also frequently yell at me, argue with me over his performance and would slam his fist into my desk when I had to coach him. Several incidents and only one write up even though I complained many times. I quit working there, my safety is too important.


    It's interesting how the two companies handled the situations so differently. One impressed me, the other company got lucky (IMO. And that employee is still there, still behaving the same way and has still only been written up for his behavior).

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    Quote Originally Posted by maggieo View Post
    Here, here. What seems odd to me is how LE is not just stating that it was WV, but rather aggressively advocating and pushing that interpretation. I mean, yeah, it happened in the workplace, and it was violent, but how does that explain anything?

    Police are even speculating what she might have said to "set him off" -- that is just wrong, imho.
    I think they started putting that term out there to clear up that there was no romantic relationship or personal motivation. I could be wrong. But, I'm almost positive I read that they were putting the workplace violence issue out there to quell the rumors/speculation about any possible romantic relationship between them. I agree with you though that it does come across as though they're blaming her or minimizing what happened.
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    This isn't my personal experience (not that I haven't experienced workplace violence/threats), but in 1991, IIRC, a physics grad student here at the University Of Iowa was po'd because another student got a scholorship he felt he should have been awarded. He was not native to this country (I don't want to get into race; I bring this up to show how easy it was for him to buy a gun); he went to a local sporting goods store & purchased a handgun...then proceeded to kill the student who got the scholorship, a U of I administrator,and 3 plasma physics professors. He also shot the temp. secretary for the administrator & left her (at 23 years old) quadraplegic. Then he blew his own brains out. I still shudder at the memory of that day; you don't think this kind of stuff happens in your town, if that makes sense. One of the profs was initially wounded & his students were trying to help him; the perp told them to leave the room or he would kill them all. Can you imagine??? I guess the prof. told them to leave, after which the perp finished him off. I ache for those kids. All over a da*m scholorship...what a hideous waste of human life & potential. Anyway, just thought the campus violence was applicable. Beyond sad...
    It really impacted me, in that I had no clue that campus competition/politics/ or whatever his "excuse" was could result in this type of madness.
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    Boy-- what horrible experiences. It makes you wonder if we really are safe when we are at work!

    In the 1990's I worked in Manhattan in the advertising department of a major retail department store chain. There was this one copywriter who gave everyone the creeps. He married a mail order bride from Japan and the marriage ultimately failed -- he of course blamed her. He ended up getting fired from his job. I don't remember why, but I believe it was something to do with his behavior and being disrespectful to his supervisor. Security had to escort him from the building and Human Resources set up a security guard outside the entrance to our department because they were afraid he might try to do harm to his former supervisor and co-workers. After a few months, the security guard disappeared but we then had to key in a code in order to gain entrance to the department, and we were one of the few places in the building that had to do that at that time (before 9/11).

    In my years working for this retail giant, we had a number of people who were fired and created quite a scene, uttering threats. But the one guy described previously was the scariest. He even had a fiction book published under a pen name-- a novel about a guy who buys a "haunted" suit from a second hand store and starts killing people when he wears it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by concentric View Post
    One common theme here is that once a victim is isolated, the violence by a perpetrator suddenly appears (Mr. or Ms. nice person turns into a monster) or it increases in intensity (it has already been displayed, but escalates).

    My recommendation to anyone (having lived through some experiences) is that when working or in any other situation: try to avoid being in a place where you could be isolated and attacked.

    I know it's not easy, especially when you are threatened with losing your job--it is a dilemna.
    I think this is true -- at least I think it's a good analysis of what happened in my case. The thing that scares me as I look back on it now, is that he was REALLY furious, red-faced, spittle coming out as he yelled. I can easily envision the scene ending with him putting his hands around my throat.

    I am sure that my old bosses' calling me into the office was impulsive, triggered by whatever thing I did to set him off (I don't remember, could have been not restocking the soup, not clearing my tables fast enough, not agreeing to stay late, could even have been something rude on my part, like sighing when he asked me to do something). The fact that he was bigger eliminated a counter-weight that might have kept his behavior in check.

    In Annie's case, tension RC was feeling could have escalated without the inhibiting effect of fear for his own safety, as he might have had if he were arguing with someone his own size. Unchecked, it exploded. So may be that Annie's stature and sex was related to what happened without the crime being sexual or premeditated (in the usual sense of the word, not the legal sense).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nursebeeme View Post
    I got "work place violenced" by the mailman once! We lived on post in virginia and it was raining out so I clipped my outgoing mail to the underneath side of the mailbox so that it wouldn't get wet... they were bills I was sending in. Around one pm the doorbell rang and I answered the door with my one year old on my hip... there stood the mailman! He was bright red and screaming at me... that it was against mail policy to clip the mail to the lid like this and did I know how wrong of a thing I had just done! He than tells me I am dam lucky that he will even take my mail this time... I stood there with my mouth open... (I am usually a fiesty one! But I was in shock!) When he was about seven or so steps up my walk I slammed that front door so hard it shook the frame of the house! I than sat down and decided that this is what "going postal" must start out like and called the post office to report it.

    In this case I have often thought that it went down in this sort of a fashion... that RC got mad about something minor.....something little but that HE was in control of.... and he went into a blind rage....

    Sorry for so long of a post (I actually posted my theory in the ray thread, I believe... or could have been motive... it also had the swiping article in it.. how he moved thru the basement)

    ETA: I often think about what could have happened to me and my little man that day if I were to have said, "eff off" or something of that nature... It makes me wonder if that is what happened to Annie...

    I've always felt that some males will yell/scream at women (especially female employees), but wouldn't nearly go so "postal" if they were talking to a guy. I bet if your hubby had answered the door, the guy might have complained, but I doubt he would have been so violent-like.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skigirl View Post
    I've only had one brush with workplace violence. I was in high school, working as a waitress. I'm pretty petite, and we had an assistant manager who was very large - over six feet and probably over 300 lbs. He was angry with me, so he called me into the manager's office and closed the door and started screaming at me while moving closer and closer and bending over me until his nose was almost touching mine. It was scary and I have no idea why I didn't report it. He was fired not long after that; no idea what grounds, but I was relieved.

    I once had a boss do that to me...I am small, petite, and look MUCH, MUCH younger than I am. Well, this boss kept screaming and screaming...he was very wrong about what he was screaming about, but he wouldn't let me get a word in edgewise to explain that another employee (a male) had done what he was accusing me of doing (BTW...he would NEVER yell at a male..ever).

    Well, after about 15 minutes of this nonsense, I told him, "I quit" - he was shocked and said, "I don't want you to quit, you're one of my best employees, I wish I had 20 more like you."

    What he didn't realize is that I don't "have" to work...my hubby makes more than enough money. When I told him that I don't have to work, he seemed to become very annoyed to find out that he couldn't control me with the fear of losing my job. He then acted as if I shouldn't have taken the job if I didn't "need it". I told him, "you should have known that I don't need a job, you know my address, and you know that I've been a stay at home mom for 20 years, you see the car that I drive, you see the 3 carat diamond on my hand - obviously, my husband makes a lot of money."

    Once he realized that I was serious about quitting he calmed down. At this point, I told him that is was obvious that he didn't like working with women. When he responded with shock, I provided him some very specific examples of his mistreatment of the other female employees - he sat there dumbfounded. I then told him examples of male employees who were not "dressed down" even though they had done serious mistakes.

    But, this day reinforced to me that there are some men who enjoy taking their anger out on what they perceive to be "weak people" especially women. I know - for a fact - that this manager NEVER yelled at any of the male employees - no matter how outrageous their mistakes were - but he would scream at female employees (there were few female employees) over the most minor offenses or even "non-offenses".
    Last edited by JL50ish; 09-23-2009 at 07:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LillyRush View Post
    I think they started putting that term out there to clear up that there was no romantic relationship or personal motivation. I could be wrong. But, I'm almost positive I read that they were putting the workplace violence issue out there to quell the rumors/speculation about any possible romantic relationship between them. I agree with you though that it does come across as though they're blaming her or minimizing what happened.
    I understand what you are saying; but, we don't know the intricacies yet. It's not so clearcut, IMO. I still seem to think that if he killed her, which is probable, he had a complex of psychological motivations, that cannot fit neatly into a "romantic???" or "workplace" violence category. We don't know if he did INTEND on sexually molesting her, for example. I know it appears that her clothing wasn't taken off...he could have re-dressed her, for all we know. For me, that doesn't eliminate a possible intention he had in his mind.
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    A good video from CNN on workplace violence.

    [ame]http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/05/costello.workplace.violence.cnn[/ame]

    When co-workers kill 3:42
    Bullying and fighting are up at workplaces nationwide. Carol Costello reports about one woman's death.

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