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    Haunting Evidence: JonBenet Ramsey

    Haunting Evidence: JonBenet Ramsey

    Psychic profiler Carla Baron, medium John J. Oliver and paranormal investigator Patrick Burns take a terrifying descent into the heart of evil, as they see murders through the killer’s mind and the victim’s eyes.

    Warning! Very very spooky! I got cold chills watching it. Poll should say these 3.

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    Funny,there are so many good documentaries (this isn't even one) about this case and you pick out this joke !
    What's next?Tracey's doc? That's a better version of X-files than this one.
    Last edited by madeleine; 09-19-2009 at 05:13 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    Funny,there are so many good documentaries (this isn't even one) about this case and you pick out this joke !
    What's next?Tracey's doc? That's a better version of X-files than this one.

    JB says Hello from beyond the grave

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    Quote Originally Posted by voynich View Post
    JB says Hello from beyond the grave

    Why would JB's ghost lie to them about what happened to her in her final minutes?
    If that's a joke, I assure you, it is NOT funny.
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    Hi voynich.

    I'm always a little disapponited when you delete, I always wonder, what brillance could I have missed?

    "Why would JB's ghost lie to them about what happened to her in her final minutes?" - v

    Could be another spirit, assuming her form?
    trickery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    Hi voynich.

    I'm always a little disapponited when you delete, I always wonder, what brillance could I have missed?

    "Why would JB's ghost lie to them about what happened to her in her final minutes?" - v

    Could be another spirit, assuming her form?
    trickery.
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    Thank you for advoiding my question would believe a psychic if they said A Ramsey did it...
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    What did you EXPECT?

    I was going to ask about the DNA and other experts but decided it belonged in the other thread.

    The RDI seem a little defensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    If that's a joke, I assure you, it is NOT funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    Funny,there are so many good documentaries (this isn't even one) about this case and you pick out this joke !
    My sentiments exactly!
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    Well.........L.Smit and this team........a match made in Disneyland.

    http://home.att.net/~carla.baron/bio.html

    Currently, Carla is taping a Halloween special for the E! Channel ~
    "Psychic Hollywood: Search for the Truth," LOL


    http://www.iigwest.com/investigation...la_report.html

    While we were unable to get information on some of her claims, every case we investigated was either solved without Baron’s involvement or remains unsolved. Either way, her claims of being a “psychic detective” are completely unsubstantiated.


    Baron herself has characterized the role of a psychic in criminal investigations:

    “Psychics don’t solve cases. They assist in providing the unknown, the missing piece of the puzzle.”1

    “[P]sychic flashbacks don't solve the cases, but they certainly add new layers of insight and information.”2

    “[P]sychics are not meant to solve cases. They're meant to ‘help connect the dots.’"3

    “I don’t think it’s about the accuracy. I think it’s about the assistance that I give.”4

    But how can you assist people with inaccurate information? Doesn't providing the missing piece of the puzzle, or insight and information, or connecting the dots usually lead to a solution? Implicit in the claim of being a “psychic detective” is the claim that you provide accurate information that leads to the successful resolution of a mystery. Imagine if a police detective said, “police detectives don’t actually solve the case, they just come up with ideas and hope for the best.” Such a statement would not generate much confidence in police procedure, and rightly so.

    Following are details on fourteen cases with which Baron has claimed some kind of involvement. They are in chronological order, by date of the victim’s murder or initial disappearance. Explicit and upsetting details of violent crimes have been kept to a minimum, and the names of individuals who have been accused of these crimes but have not been identified by police as a suspect have been omitted.



    The cases detailed are listed below. You can click on individual cases to jump directly to them, or scroll through the entire report.
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    http://www.iigwest.com/investigation...la_report.html

    JONBENET RAMSEY

    6 years old at time of murder.

    LOCATION: Boulder, CO

    CRIME: Found murdered on December 25, 1996

    SUSPECTS: None.

    FAMILY SPOKESPERSON/CONTACT: None.

    INVESTIGATING OFFICER/AGENCY: Detective Tom Bennett, Boulder Colorado Police, is one of many investigating officials.

    BARON’S CLAIM: Baron told a student newspaper that she worked on a case “like the JonBenet Ramsey. . . case,”6 but could not state that she worked on the JonBenet Ramsey case specifically because it still “remains open.”7

    IIG'S FINDINGS: The interviewer, Adam Smeltz, apparently insisted that she clarify the comment about JonBenet Ramsey, and she backed off. Interpreting this statement as a claim that she worked on the JonBenet Ramsey case, we contacted Detective Tom Bennett, who stated, “No psychic has provided any useful information,” adding that he had never even heard of Carla Baron.
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    Yeah, I saw this a while ago, and thought it was pretty cool until I saw that it was "Smiterized". My stupid word, yes. He just looks so happy that they are substantiating his beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingBreade View Post
    Yeah, I saw this a while ago, and thought it was pretty cool until I saw that it was "Smiterized". My stupid word, yes. He just looks so happy that they are substantiating his beliefs.
    I saw it awhile ago too....did you notice that they left out the head injury altogether? Seems with all of their psychic ability, they would have been able to "see" that. It wasn't even mentioned....hmmmm
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    Was hilarious how they "felt,sniffed,whatever" that he came through the basement window.Spot on eh?Oh and I bet that wasn't Lou's idea.





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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    Was hilarious how they "felt,sniffed,whatever" that he came through the basement window.Spot on eh?Oh and I bet that wasn't Lou's idea.





    Yeah, I have no doubt that these "Ghostbusters"-wannabes heard a voice. I just don't think it was JB's!
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    Just a question can Psychics be unbaised when the case is high profile as this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravyn View Post
    Just a question can Psychics be unbaised when the case is high profile as this one?
    Why would JB's ghost lie to them about what happened to her in her final minutes?

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    I like how they keep saying things that they knew were not widely published when we all know they were- i.e. the stun, gun, the hiking boots, the eating pineapple, I could go on and on.
    This did not say anything new to me.

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    What year was this Voynich,and would you believe if it pointed to a Ramsey....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravyn View Post
    What year was this Voynich,and would you believe if it pointed to a Ramsey....
    It states 6 months earlier than July 9, 2008, since they have a video clip announcing touch DNA evidence.
    What this means is that this documentary was produced before DNA results exonerating the R's.
    So JB's ghost was telling the JIDI what happened to her before the DNA results were released.

    Hmm, that's a tough one. But here, JB's ghost has spoken to the mediums and psychics and it's JIDI.

    According to JB's ghost, she woke up after everyone was asleep, and went downstairs, and was eating pineapple by herself in the kitchen when the IDI struck her.

    She even says Hello to that electronic voice detector.

    Another psychic was also IDI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voynich View Post
    It states 6 months earlier than July 9, 2008, since they have a video clip announcing touch DNA evidence.
    What this means is that this documentary was produced before DNA results exonerating the R's.
    So JB's ghost was telling the JIDI what happened to her before the DNA results were released.

    Hmm, that's a tough one. But here, JB's ghost has spoken to the mediums and psychics and it's JIDI.

    According to JB's ghost, she woke up after everyone was asleep, and went downstairs, and was eating pineapple by herself in the kitchen when the IDI struck her.

    She even says Hello to that electronic voice detector.




    Another psychic was also IDI.

    Thank you for advoiding my question would believe a psychic if they said A Ramsey did it...

    But ask the psyhic how did PR and BR fingerprints got on the bowl?
    Also ask why JR said JonBenet would had never walked downstairs by herself...Maybe they can answer more questions that we don't know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravyn View Post
    Thank you for avoiding my question would believe a psychic if they said A Ramsey did it...
    What did you EXPECT?

    Here are a few more questions: how could she have eaten it by herself when she couldn't even reach the countertop?

    If PR was asleep, why did her side of the bed show evidence of not having been slept in (per Chuck Green)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravyn View Post
    Thank you for advoiding my question would believe a psychic if they said A Ramsey did it...

    But ask the psyhic how did PR and BR fingerprints got on the bowl?
    Also ask why JR said JonBenet would had never walked downstairs by herself...Maybe they can answer more questions that we don't know
    bold by me

    Just a guess here, but since they both did live in the house, I would imagine their fingerprints would be on lots of stuff. I'd be more surprised if their fingerprints weren't on the bowl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weasel View Post
    bold by me

    Just a guess here, but since they both did live in the house, I would imagine their fingerprints would be on lots of stuff. I'd be more surprised if their fingerprints weren't on the bowl.
    The point is PR said she didn't know where the bowl came from that it wasn't theirs...And BR recogonized the bowl...
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    Quote Originally Posted by weasel View Post
    bold by me

    Just a guess here, but since they both did live in the house, I would imagine their fingerprints would be on lots of stuff. I'd be more surprised if their fingerprints weren't on the bowl.
    Yeah, and you would think that with all of that handling of the RN....I mean, Patsy says she picked it up, read some of it, handed it to John, who spread it across the floor to read it for some reason....and then Patsy handed it to investigators when they arrived. But...for some reason...no prints of the Ramsey's were found. HMMMM...how could this be?? (My scenario....RN was written while wearing latex gloves, was never ON the steps to begin with, NOR handed to John, only actually handled by a Ramsey (without a glove) for a minute as Patsy handed it over to investigators). Sorry...this has nothing to do with the pineapple bowl...but, more to do with Ramsey fingerprints.
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    Not really cause done research all this and just wonder if you did...And my question was if a psychic said a Ramsey did kill JonBenet would you believe it simple question...
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