it said: 'and the prophecy shall come true' (I've quoted from memory) & was posted on one of Sam's myspace pages in the comment section by one of his 'friends'
I don't know if I can find it again somehow but even if I can't, the cops should be able to get cached versions from myspace or something right? (I'm not very computer-literate)
Sam had 3 Myspace pages. Emma wrote exclusively to him on one of his pages and Melanine wrote to him on another. I have given the cached link and screen grabs to the page Emma wrote on earlier.
Here is the page where Melanie wrote:
Can someone make a series of screen grabs for it so that it does not get lost? Otherwise, I hope I can do it tomorrow.
Last edited by Gene; 09-21-2009 at 07:37 PM.
I was thinking... it doesn't really seem like this Sam orchestrated the whole thing from the beginning, like, as a set-up. I mean, it doesn't seem like he was trolling the internet for someone to kill and then chatted up these girls and went after them. The messages exchanged between them on Myspace, and the way the mutual friends talk about them, I get the idea that something went bad suddenly. They went to the concert and then they came back. And the father felt like he could leave the house. I wonder what went on with the girls that led Sam to actually kill the girl he'd come to see and everyone else.
Or do you all get the impression that he was just a psychotic killer from the get-go and these were his prey?
So, we know she had an unhealthy obsession. They meet. Sparks do not fly. She keeps trying to make them fly, though. Sam turns to Mel. Plenty of sparks (plus, she's a refuge from all the obsession).
Where it escalated from there I do not know. In her obsession, it is not out of the realm of possibility that Emma verbally or even physically confronted the two. Not with murder on her mind, but it may have triggered something in Sam.
By saying this I am neither defending Sam nor blaming Emma for anything that happened. He is clearly severely troubled, but I do not think he is evil, nor psychotic. The above scenario makes the most sense to me, but we'll have to see what he has to say. So far he seems pretty forthright, admitting to the crimes. It will be interesting to hear his version of the details. Unfortunately, it's the only one we'll get.
Mel's last MS log in was 15 Sept and she was expected back home on 16 September. She didnt make it. Mel was killed on 15 or 16 September.
The police came to the door on 17 September, spoke to Sam and did not smell anything. On 18 September they did smell the bodies. I think that it is unlikely that they were killed on 15 September or the police would have probably smelled the bodies when they visited the first time. This would narrow the date to 16 September.
However, Emma's last log in was 14 September. Two days with no MS log in? Seems unlikely. Why would Melanie be checking her MS account and not Emma?
I could be wrong, but I have the feeling that Emma died before Melanine. Not only due to the timing concens above, but also due to the different moods expressed on their Myspace accounts (Emma was sad, Melanie happy see timeline). Why should Emma be sad if her boyfriend is with her?
it seems strange to me that she's talking so much (online posts & giving interviews) and addressing her brother's guilt too & in an absolute way
she pleaded with him to call her, and that he confessed to her. It is also possible she is the person referenced in the SickTanick press release:
Myself and Razakel became concerned and contacted various people trying to locate the individuals in question (Melanie, Emma & Sam) and were unable to reach anyone.
Shortly after i recieved a phone call from a individual stating that the Suspect in the murders had contacted them saying he had "killed" everyone. This caused me great concern being that we ourselves could not reach the parents or subjects in question.
Good work, Tooth.
there's a comment on his page by Mel where she says (in part):
"me and RagDoll and Keri's goin, maybe some other people"
perhaps Keri is the sixth person in the van ...
I don't know how to post iimages here or I'd post the screenshot but it's from this link:
I somewhat agree with your assessment of the parent's resonse in this case, but I'd add a few other things here. Mom was a college prof. She might naturally (I would assume from my experience teaching college kids--and yes I'd call them all kids in this generation-between the ages of 18 and 22) have a heightened sence of companionship, or sympathy with the boy, or maybe an inflated sense of control of the situation, as she likely dealt on a daily basis with a WIDE RANGE of students exactly around their ages, from different socioeconimical and subcultural backgrounds. Her impressions, assumptions might be VERY different than those of the adverage mom--sadly, in this case, to her detriment.
Also consider that these parents were divorced. It would be worthwhile to ask how recent was this seperation. Sometimes parents behave in strange ways toward their children in trying to "make up" for what is clearly a painful and damaging experience, sometimes by being too lenient, by trying to win the kid to their side, by trying to be a friend rather than an authority out of a fear of losing the kid to the other parent, or out of a sense of guilt for the emotional damage....
Last edited by Formynextnovel; 09-21-2009 at 09:14 PM.
"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense."
- Mark Twain
I also teach college. I would say you are wrong on all counts, as stated above. The socio/economic background of students depends on where you teach. Longwood is a small public university with a rather homogeneous student body. Diverse, yes, but....not much. But even in a more diverse environment, while professors are generally inclusive, that doesn't mean they are incapable of recognizing troubled students and acting on hunches. Most colleges, including where I teach, have an "early alert" system in place for said hunches, and we are trained in how to recognize coming trouble -- no matter where the students are from or their background. Your argument is a little simplistic. Now, you might ask, why didn't Debra Kelley pick up on Sam's troubles -- I can only cite my earlier, lengthy post discussing what it is like to deal with a child who is dancing on the dark side. Also, you won't meet many professors who are "companions" to their students. Recipe for disaster. A professional, but friendly, distance is maintained.
Last edited by Atlantica; 09-21-2009 at 09:15 PM. Reason: adding to post
Emma's parents separated two years ago. Both were still very hands-on, however, with her father constantly running down to Farmville.
However, it looks like Sam's separated very recently, according to an article posted above.
if he saw her myspace post on Sept. 19, he would've had to have logged on that day & I don't see anywhere that he did, however it's still possible (even probable) that he called her that day which leaves the question: why would she call SickTanick & leave it to that person to call the police?
I am a young teacher, still closer to college than parenthood, and teach at an unusually diverse semi-urban commuter school. Identification with students is unavoidable, but to display it as companionship is unacceptable and yes, a recipe for disaster.
You are right in that I ought to be asking, why didn't she pick up on Sam's troubles. Only since the devistating events at Virginia Tech have many schools put in place systems for dealing with obviously troubled students. However, there are so many instances that ring in mind of young people who commit murder, about whom many close around (teachers, other students, friends) observed, "he was such a nice guy." To people totally unexposed to subcultures like this one, the impression can shock one into unfair judgment. I only mean to say that perhaps this particular parent saw this boy through a filter already sympathetic to his guise (and his situation). It's possible he did seem in person just like a nice, but not so normal boy, who happened to be into horrorrap, just as her daughter was.
My argument is simplistic perhpas because it is such a reach for me, child of over protective, overly watchful parents (which many on this board would seem to deny might lead to a different sort of danger) who ventured with relish into questionable situations, an eating disorder, and a fringe, scary-to-mom-dad-and-"normalpeople" subculture, as soon as she was out from under their immediate overbearing gaze.
She was lucky to venture safely back.
Last edited by Formynextnovel; 09-21-2009 at 10:09 PM.
"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense."
- Mark Twain
whoa - here is his sister in a comment on the SKR/WIR site mentioning that Emma effed Sam over real bad before this happened & saying that he had to have been provoked
'Thats just straight disrespectful dude. Until he is proven guilty for all 4, you shouldnt be talkin ****. I know my brother, and he had to have been provoked. He didnt do this for no reason. I was told Emma ****** Sammy over REAL bad before all this happened. Something happened. Yeah he went too far, it really shouldnt have gone to that extent but until we get all the details, try and be a little respectful towards others. Sammy has a family too ya know.'
[I edited out the profanity]
from this link:
I think someone should counsel her to stop talking and posting online
FARMVILLE, Va. (Sept. 21) - Prosecutors said Monday they had to investigate hundreds of pieces of forensic evidence in ...
A preliminary hearing was set for Jan. 11 because of the amount of evidence discovered.
"We have so much of it, so we need a little longer," Commonwealth's Attorney James Ennis said after the hearing. "... The lab doesn't have a clue what's coming toward them."