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    Nancy Garrido - thread #2

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    Thread #1 : [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88251"]Nancy Garrido[/ame]

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    NG's Brothers on Inside Edition - NG Thread #2

    I posted this in the first thread; re-posting it here so it's not overlooked.

    I saw a promo for the next Inside Edition, which presumably airs this weekend. The episode includes an interview with Nancy's brothers. Two of them appeared in the promo ad.

    It's not on the IE website yet, but here's a link fyi: http://www.insideedition.com/search.aspx?search=garrido.


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    replies to flourish and xin

    I don't know how to quote a post on thread #1 to reply on thread #2.
    Answering Flourish: In the middle of thread #1 somewhere, there was a post
    giving the history of NG at Diamond Ridge Nursing Home in Leavenworth.
    It cited her heroin; hope its more reliable than NE. These threads are so long
    it's to hard to keep track of it all.

    Xin is very "ON". We can only make inferences for now.

    Flourish --- I'm certainly happy that your experience with your son
    was different than in the Garrido household. I think yet that NG and PG made
    the attempt to be caring parents, but how they could carry it out was
    hobbled by their personal issues, including secrecy on where the children
    came from. PG was taking them out into social circles.

    Ultimately, i believe the value of the Garrido's as parents ought to be left
    to their children as they start to assume their role in the next generation
    of our community. It'll take awhile. Meanwhile, i think it's important to keep
    the visitor's window open at the jailhouse.


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    That should be interesting. I think Nancy is one of the big unanswered questions in this case IMO, we know so little about her, what makes her tick.


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    Quote Originally Posted by checkercab View Post
    I don't know how to quote a post on thread #1 to reply on thread #2.
    Answering Flourish: In the middle of thread #1 somewhere, there was a post
    giving the history of NG at Diamond Ridge Nursing Home in Leavenworth.
    It cited her heroin; hope its more reliable than NE. These threads are so long
    it's to hard to keep track of it all.

    Xin is very "ON". We can only make inferences for now.

    Flourish --- I'm certainly happy that your experience with your son
    was different than in the Garrido household. I think yet that NG and PG made
    the attempt to be caring parents,
    but how they could carry it out was
    hobbled by their personal issues, including secrecy on where the children
    came from. PG was taking them out into social circles.

    Ultimately, i believe the value of the Garrido's as parents ought to be left
    to their children as they start to assume their role in the next generation
    of our community. It'll take awhile. Meanwhile, i think it's important to keep
    the visitor's window open at the jailhouse.
    bbm
    Thank you for answering my question.

    Even referring to NG and PG as "parents" is just revolting, IMHO.
    If PG is the bio father of Jaycee's girls, being a bio dad doesn't make you a "caring parent." Go check out Jaycee's bio dad's thread for more info on ideas about that. And NG is a parent to anyone how? By enabling her husband-rapist?


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    I don't think any social worker or therapist would recommend that the girls go visit the two rapist abductors in jail. Jaycee's mother surely would never set foot to take them there either. Something like that would cause the whole family even more problems and confusion. The girls were taken away from the Garridos in a much much worse way than when CPS takes kids away due to neglect, so they have no chance of seeing them again, so no reason to be visiting in jail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    I don't think any social worker or therapist would recommend that the girls go visit the two rapist abductors in jail. Jaycee's mother surely would never set foot to take them there either. Something like that would cause the whole family even more problems and confusion. The girls were taken away from the Garridos in a much much worse way than when CPS takes kids away due to neglect, so they have no chance of seeing them again, so no reason to be visiting in jail.
    Playing devil's advocate here: Since PG is their bio father (a DNA test will prove this but others have said he has a resemblance to them and JC confirms it) and since we don't KNOW under what circumstances they lived (did they live outdoors, sleep with him, etc) isn't there a chance that the courts could theoretically allow him visitation, or even demand that their mother (JC) make them visit with him?

    I was reading the blog of someone here's daughter (I forget her name) and she was a survivor of spousal rape and abuse and the courts said that she had to allow her children to have visitation with the father, even though he had been convicted of assaulting the mom and had served time for it. So what if these "brilliant" LE types decide that PG should be allowed visitation with his children and then the courts have to enforce it??

    As far as the 2 girls know, maybe this is how they think a normal family lives. Maybe they don't see it as wrong as we do? Maybe they even want to see their parents again (and by parents, I mean the people that they assumed were their parents -- PG and NG). Of course, JC knew the situation was wrong and so did PG and NG, but this is all the girls knew....

    Just food for thought! Of course I think PG and NG are evil scum, but I'm just trying to look at this from the point of view of the law and the rights of bio fathers.

    JULIE


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    The girls may want to see him and/or Nancy. They are not so young that their wishes shouldn't be considered at all. And in any case, the oldest girl will be able to make her own choices in a few years anyway, actively stopping her from doing what she wants now will likely create resentment and a backlash.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JulieNMM View Post
    Playing devil's advocate here: Since PG is their bio father (a DNA test will prove this but others have said he has a resemblance to them and JC confirms it) and since we don't KNOW under what circumstances they lived (did they live outdoors, sleep with him, etc) isn't there a chance that the courts could theoretically allow him visitation, or even demand that their mother (JC) make them visit with him?

    I was reading the blog of someone here's daughter (I forget her name) and she was a survivor of spousal rape and abuse and the courts said that she had to allow her children to have visitation with the father, even though he had been convicted of assaulting the mom and had served time for it. So what if these "brilliant" LE types decide that PG should be allowed visitation with his children and then the courts have to enforce it??

    As far as the 2 girls know, maybe this is how they think a normal family lives. Maybe they don't see it as wrong as we do? Maybe they even want to see their parents again (and by parents, I mean the people that they assumed were their parents -- PG and NG). Of course, JC knew the situation was wrong and so did PG and NG, but this is all the girls knew....

    Just food for thought! Of course I think PG and NG are evil scum, but I'm just trying to look at this from the point of view of the law and the rights of bio fathers.

    JULIE
    Are you seriously suggesting you think a court would force visitation in a situation such as this? Whatever example case you provided is not even close, as the man in your example was married to the mother and not accused of kidnapping her.
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    I know this case is not like any others, but when there's a trial pending, aren't there rules against the victims visiting or seeing the criminals? The thought of the oldest girl visiting those two after age 18 is scary. She'd be exposed to their manipulations plus all the other convicts in the visiting area of prison.


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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    I know this case is not like any others, but when there's a trial pending, aren't there rules against the victims visiting or seeing the criminals? The thought of the oldest girl visiting those two after age 18 is scary. She'd be exposed to their manipulations plus all the other convicts in the visiting area of prison.
    From what's been reported, they don't even want Jaycee and her children watching the media coverage of the case. So I sincerely doubt there will be any visits of either Garrido or his wife by Jaycee or her children.
    They still might have to testify at trial.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    From what's been reported, they don't even want Jaycee and her children watching the media coverage of the case. So I sincerely doubt there will be any visits of either Garrido or his wife by Jaycee or her children.
    They still might have to testify at trial.
    I think that is aimed at the kids. They wouldn't be able to stop Jaycee herself, she is an adult and can do what she wants. They might suggest she not watch, but I doubt they are telling her she can't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Natal View Post
    That should be interesting. I think Nancy is one of the big unanswered questions in this case IMO, we know so little about her, what makes her tick.
    This may be only a partial answer, and the question: what makes her
    NOT tick. I've encountered a job applicant for our business occasionally, who
    was on dope, but always passed him up because his productivity would be
    slow as molasses. But at least he's too dopey to do much damage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by checkercab View Post
    This may be only a partial answer, and the question: what makes her
    NOT tick. I've encountered a job applicant for our business occasionally, who
    was on dope, but always passed him up because his productivity would be
    slow as molasses. But at least he's too dopey to do much damage.
    Thing is... Nancy was employed as a CNA. When it comes to that type of patient care, productivity is not an issue. It's not like you have to see a certain number of patients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulieNMM View Post
    Playing devil's advocate here: Since PG is their bio father (a DNA test will prove this but others have said he has a resemblance to them and JC confirms it) and since we don't KNOW under what circumstances they lived (did they live outdoors, sleep with him, etc) isn't there a chance that the courts could theoretically allow him visitation, or even demand that their mother (JC) make them visit with him?

    I was reading the blog of someone here's daughter (I forget her name) and she was a survivor of spousal rape and abuse and the courts said that she had to allow her children to have visitation with the father, even though he had been convicted of assaulting the mom and had served time for it. So what if these "brilliant" LE types decide that PG should be allowed visitation with his children and then the courts have to enforce it??

    As far as the 2 girls know, maybe this is how they think a normal family lives. Maybe they don't see it as wrong as we do? Maybe they even want to see their parents again (and by parents, I mean the people that they assumed were their parents -- PG and NG). Of course, JC knew the situation was wrong and so did PG and NG, but this is all the girls knew....

    Just food for thought! Of course I think PG and NG are evil scum, but I'm just trying to look at this from the point of view of the law and the rights of bio fathers.

    JULIE
    Oh Julie....no, just no. His rights should be terminated and a no contact order placed. I believe that is what will be done.


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