Forensic linguistics, weapon of the JIDI knight, not clumsy or random like an RDI spin, a more elegant weapon from a more civilized time. For over a thousand generations the JIDI knights were the guardians of truth and justice in the old investigation. Before the dark times. Before the RDI spin team. Now the case has gotten so old that an intruder is about to get away with murder. The RDI was seduced by the dark side of spin.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inTbUf5Swfc&feature=related"]YouTube - Yoda vs. Darth Sidious-Episode III[/ame]
Here are some other forensic linguists
John Olsson The Forensic Linguistics Institute investigates the language of crime and ... John Olsson presented the faculty with his latest research on authorship. www.thetext.co.uk/
wrote
JOHN OLSSON. Forensic linguistics: an introduction to language, crime and the law.
click here
http://books.google.com/books?id=i3...esult&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=&f=false
"The book is intended to be the core text for forensic linguistic courses at undergraduate level,"
speaks of McM methodology as scientific, accepted by linguistics, and empirical validated.
He also writes of RN
http://books.google.com/books?id=i3...esult&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false
rejects the null hypothesis of dual authors
Who is John Olsson?
John Olsson, the world's first full time forensic linguist, has been serving as an independent expert since 1994. He has handled more than 300 major cases, making him one of the world's most experienced in this field.
http://www.thetext.co.uk/john_olsson.html
Gerald R McMenamin himself has been citations include
# Attributing Authorship: An Introduction by Harold Love
* page 111, page 116, Back Matter (1), Back Matter (2), and Back Matter (3)
# Linguistics in the Courtroom: A Practical Guide by Roger W. Shuy
* page 138, and page 140
# Discourse Analysis: An Introduction by Alexandra Georgakopolou
# Linguistic Battles in Trademark Disputes by Roger Shuy
# Economics of Information Security (Advances in Information Security) by L. Jean Camp
* page 284
# Forensic Linguistics: An Introduction to Language in the Justice System (Language in Society) by John Gibbons
* Linguistics in the Courtroom: A Practical Guide by Roger W. Shuy on page 138
* Economics of Information Security (Advances in Information Security) by L. Jean Camp on page 284
Just as there are Jonbenet forum, there's forums for linguists and forensic linguists, here is one
http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000931.php
Alan Perlman states I'm a forensic linguist (PhD, University of Chicago). I do both copyright and authorship work, and I've had quite a few interesting cases. I'll probably be going to LA later this month to testify.
here are some quotes:
As a forensic linguist I find many (but not all) of the comments on this page quite fascinating. I suppose about as fascinating as a geneticist would find the comments of a group of forensic linguists who knew little or nothing about genetics. I'm particularly amused that people should think of Don Foster as a 'forensic linguist'. He certainly did some clever attribution stuff and has a 'theory' that we all use language uniquely, but he has published - to my knowledge - absolutely nothing on the subject. Unfortunately there are those in the FBI who think he's an expert. It's a joke. Some of your comments on this page were quite good. You correctly point out that a lot of this started with Jan Svartvik, and you correctly point out that people like Gerald McMenamin and Roger Shuy are very impressive in what they do, as is Kniffka. Do drop by my site at any time. I did a lot of work on the language surrounding Andrew Gilligan's claims about his 'source', also analyses of the 'anthrax' envelopes, the men accused of terrorism in Saudi Arabia, etc.
Posted by: John Olsson at November 18, 2003 11:14 AM
Hello, all. I'm delighted that I found this site.
I'm a forensic linguist (PhD, University of Chicago). I do both copyright and authorship work, and I've had quite a few interesting cases. I'll probably be going to LA later this month to testify.
I agree that Don Foster is not the real thing. He draws all kinds of indirect literary parallels on the basis of puns, allusions, subconscious references, and other matters that real linguists do not deal with. He psychloigizes about his subjects.
As Professor McMenamin has pointed out, he becomes fascinated with his own media glory (whereas in reality he's a classic case of being in the right place at the right time, with his timely identification a new Shakespearean sonnet right at the time when people were wondering about the author of "Primary Colors"); he vacillates wiith circumstances(instead of gathering data to confirm or support a hypothesis); he gets the linguistics wrong, and, worst of all, he takes credit for inventing a field that is hundreds of years old and had already been used in many legal cases.
Forensic linguistics, correctly practiced, is part art and part science. As Rogey Shuy has pointed out, it is good linguistics practiced within a legal context. What I report to my clients is not literary or abstruse. It involves specific linguistic data and my impartial evaluation of them.
Best regards to all...and comments welcome.
Alan
Best regards to all...and comments welcome.
Alan
Posted by: Alan Perlman at February 23, 2004 06:50 PM
To S. Shaw:
Please see Foster's own book, Author Unknown, p. 5: "I was now [1996] presented with a fresh challenge: to develop a science of literary forensics...".
This statement, plus failure to acknowledge the vast body of forensic linguistic research and application, supports my claim (shared by Prof. McMenamin).
Alan Perlman, PhD
An introduction to forensic linguistics: language in evidence By Malcolm Coulthard, Alison Johnson reviews Gerald R McMenamin
http://books.google.com/books?id=RQ...esult&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
and concludes that when another forensic linguist uses the same methodology as McMenanmin, in another case, the husband admitted to typing the letter. (Eagelton)
- Forensic Linguistics Advances In Forensic Stylistics , which you can download and read for yourself here: http://www.filestube.com/8ab5481c3a4ea64d03e9/details.html
or buy it here: [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Forensic-Linguistics-Advances-Stylistics/dp/0849309662/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254078073&sr=8-1"]Amazon.com: Forensic Linguistics: Advances in Forensic Stylistics (9780849309663): Gerald R. McMenamin: Books[/ame]
or read it partially online here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=oF...esult&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inTbUf5Swfc&feature=related"]YouTube - Yoda vs. Darth Sidious-Episode III[/ame]
Here are some other forensic linguists
John Olsson The Forensic Linguistics Institute investigates the language of crime and ... John Olsson presented the faculty with his latest research on authorship. www.thetext.co.uk/
wrote
JOHN OLSSON. Forensic linguistics: an introduction to language, crime and the law.
click here
http://books.google.com/books?id=i3...esult&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=&f=false
"The book is intended to be the core text for forensic linguistic courses at undergraduate level,"
speaks of McM methodology as scientific, accepted by linguistics, and empirical validated.
He also writes of RN
http://books.google.com/books?id=i3...esult&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false
rejects the null hypothesis of dual authors
Who is John Olsson?
John Olsson, the world's first full time forensic linguist, has been serving as an independent expert since 1994. He has handled more than 300 major cases, making him one of the world's most experienced in this field.
http://www.thetext.co.uk/john_olsson.html
Gerald R McMenamin himself has been citations include
# Attributing Authorship: An Introduction by Harold Love
* page 111, page 116, Back Matter (1), Back Matter (2), and Back Matter (3)
# Linguistics in the Courtroom: A Practical Guide by Roger W. Shuy
* page 138, and page 140
# Discourse Analysis: An Introduction by Alexandra Georgakopolou
# Linguistic Battles in Trademark Disputes by Roger Shuy
# Economics of Information Security (Advances in Information Security) by L. Jean Camp
* page 284
# Forensic Linguistics: An Introduction to Language in the Justice System (Language in Society) by John Gibbons
* Linguistics in the Courtroom: A Practical Guide by Roger W. Shuy on page 138
* Economics of Information Security (Advances in Information Security) by L. Jean Camp on page 284
Just as there are Jonbenet forum, there's forums for linguists and forensic linguists, here is one
http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000931.php
Alan Perlman states I'm a forensic linguist (PhD, University of Chicago). I do both copyright and authorship work, and I've had quite a few interesting cases. I'll probably be going to LA later this month to testify.
here are some quotes:
As a forensic linguist I find many (but not all) of the comments on this page quite fascinating. I suppose about as fascinating as a geneticist would find the comments of a group of forensic linguists who knew little or nothing about genetics. I'm particularly amused that people should think of Don Foster as a 'forensic linguist'. He certainly did some clever attribution stuff and has a 'theory' that we all use language uniquely, but he has published - to my knowledge - absolutely nothing on the subject. Unfortunately there are those in the FBI who think he's an expert. It's a joke. Some of your comments on this page were quite good. You correctly point out that a lot of this started with Jan Svartvik, and you correctly point out that people like Gerald McMenamin and Roger Shuy are very impressive in what they do, as is Kniffka. Do drop by my site at any time. I did a lot of work on the language surrounding Andrew Gilligan's claims about his 'source', also analyses of the 'anthrax' envelopes, the men accused of terrorism in Saudi Arabia, etc.
Posted by: John Olsson at November 18, 2003 11:14 AM
Hello, all. I'm delighted that I found this site.
I'm a forensic linguist (PhD, University of Chicago). I do both copyright and authorship work, and I've had quite a few interesting cases. I'll probably be going to LA later this month to testify.
I agree that Don Foster is not the real thing. He draws all kinds of indirect literary parallels on the basis of puns, allusions, subconscious references, and other matters that real linguists do not deal with. He psychloigizes about his subjects.
As Professor McMenamin has pointed out, he becomes fascinated with his own media glory (whereas in reality he's a classic case of being in the right place at the right time, with his timely identification a new Shakespearean sonnet right at the time when people were wondering about the author of "Primary Colors"); he vacillates wiith circumstances(instead of gathering data to confirm or support a hypothesis); he gets the linguistics wrong, and, worst of all, he takes credit for inventing a field that is hundreds of years old and had already been used in many legal cases.
Forensic linguistics, correctly practiced, is part art and part science. As Rogey Shuy has pointed out, it is good linguistics practiced within a legal context. What I report to my clients is not literary or abstruse. It involves specific linguistic data and my impartial evaluation of them.
Best regards to all...and comments welcome.
Alan
Best regards to all...and comments welcome.
Alan
Posted by: Alan Perlman at February 23, 2004 06:50 PM
To S. Shaw:
Please see Foster's own book, Author Unknown, p. 5: "I was now [1996] presented with a fresh challenge: to develop a science of literary forensics...".
This statement, plus failure to acknowledge the vast body of forensic linguistic research and application, supports my claim (shared by Prof. McMenamin).
Alan Perlman, PhD
An introduction to forensic linguistics: language in evidence By Malcolm Coulthard, Alison Johnson reviews Gerald R McMenamin
http://books.google.com/books?id=RQ...esult&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
and concludes that when another forensic linguist uses the same methodology as McMenanmin, in another case, the husband admitted to typing the letter. (Eagelton)
- Forensic Linguistics Advances In Forensic Stylistics , which you can download and read for yourself here: http://www.filestube.com/8ab5481c3a4ea64d03e9/details.html
or buy it here: [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Forensic-Linguistics-Advances-Stylistics/dp/0849309662/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254078073&sr=8-1"]Amazon.com: Forensic Linguistics: Advances in Forensic Stylistics (9780849309663): Gerald R. McMenamin: Books[/ame]
or read it partially online here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=oF...esult&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false