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  1. #61
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    As far as self-inflicted wounds...Chuck Stuart-the pregnant wife killer from Boston,,nearly killed himself staging his supposed attack by a "black man"He ended up with a colostomy bag..which I'm SURE was not the outcome he wanted!!...so even though the wounds can be serious -doesn"t mean they didn't do it to themselves...What still sticks in my mind is his behavior After the crime...I tend to think McGinnis's drug theory would make sense...I know these prescribed drugs can sometimes cause behaviors otherwise not even contemplated....(They are now saying paxil may cause children to commmit suicide-the drug companies do not test things enough or hide their research....with grave consequences...)They can be as dangerous as street drugs..

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    Dr. McDonald did not do this.
    The MP screwed up big time in their investigation. The Lady with the floppy hat was seen my the MP on their way to the McDonalds house. They were told to keep it hush hush.
    He did not get a fair trail and I belive he was set up.

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    Baloney, Baloney, Salami -

    Well, they probably did screw up the investigation, but blood forensics tell a different story.

    It's just way too convenient for him to continue on with his extravagant lifestyle and his mistresses.

    Like Scott - I think he just cracked and killed them all and then had to cover his butt. Yeah, why would they do such damage to his wife, and his daughters. Nearly crushed his baby's chest cavity and stabbed the crap out. He gets a couple "tiny" stab wounds not deep enough to harm a rabbit. I don't buy that crock of bulldoodoo!

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    Thumbs down

    Baloney....

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    Sunnmoon, did you see my question about Colonel Rock and the table?

    How would you his testimony that he was able to get the table to end up on it's side after only one try? A table with nothing around it would respond differently than a table with other furniture around it, furniture that might stop it's fall, or slow down it's fall, and I think that might have been the difference between the tests where it always fell on it's top, and the one Colonel Rock did.

    Smellarat,
    Left a sponge....That was good!

    OK, this is out of sync. There were two posts before this that are now after this. Weird.
    Just the facts, Ma'am.

  6. #66
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    Baloney....
    Baloney, the lady with the floppy hat was not seen? Baloney, he didn't get a fair trial? Baloney, he didn't do it? Baloney and cheese on wheat, with a little mustard (yum)?

    I find it hard to believe he got any kind of fair trial, myself. What could be fair about screwed up evidence. And if he did do it, DNA evidence won't clear him, so what's the harm?

    I would, however, think that a Doctor would know better where to stab himself where he wouldn't punture important parts of his anatomy, but I could be wrong (I've known some pretty poor doctors).
    Just the facts, Ma'am.

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    He's just lucky he didn"t leave a sponge inside his own body...
    ha,ha,ha, sorry getting late...couldn"t resist!!

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    I am new to this board but have been studying the MacDonald case for some time. I have read FV, FJ, MacD's own website including the short study by Bost, reviewed all documents posted there as well as various newspaper articles from the archieves of both the Fayetteville Observer and LA times. I have discussed this case at length but would be interested in discussing it here.

    As far as the civil trial is concerned, it ended in a mistrial based on the very first question the jury was faced with answering. The question, as I understand it, concerned MacD's behavior and not that of McGinniss.

    The last witness to testify for the defense (McGinniss) was Cleve Backster, the polygraph examiner that administered the poly to MacD in 1970. Backster was hired by the defense to examine MacD in 1970 but MacD claims that the polygraph was never completed because Mr. Backster started asking inappropriate questions about sex with animals, etc. However, Mr. Backster had a different story to tell. On the witness stand during the civil trial and under oath, Backster testified that MacD failed that polygraph test. MacD claims it was never completed and Backster claims it was and in fact MacD failed it.

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    Welcome, Jed.

    You are right about the mistrial. The matter was then settled, as I described it above, to avoid a second trial.

    But the issue of the civil trial wasn't MacD's behavior per se; after all, MacD was the plaintiff. He sued McG for fraud. MacD basically claimed McG agreed to write a book favorable to MacD, all the while intending to write a "hatchet job". McG's defense was that he originally thought MacD was innocent but changed his mind during the trial. As I said, neither man ever admitted he was wrong about this issue.

    McGinnis is a very talented writer, IMHO, but I don't believe MacD is guilty because McGinnis says so. I think one can evaluate the evidence for one's self.

    I didn't know about the polygraph testimony. Thanks for sharing that.

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    It is MO that Jeffy McD is guilty. I think McG feels that in his bones and is exonerated, in a sense, now. He looked at Jeffy in some depth, a depth that only somebody that close, can do. JMO, of course.


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    JMO, too, Imon. My sense from the book is that the more McG was exposed to MacD's sociopathic behavior, the more suspicious McG became of the doctor's "all-American boy" persona. McG also interviewed many people who knew MacDonald and learned of a number of incidents where the doctor exploded in bursts of violent or near-violent rage. Hearing these accounts, it seemed more reasonable to McG that the doctor might well have "snapped" on that terrible night in Fayetteville.

    Now these other outbursts did not end in murder, to be fair, nor would they be admissible in court. But their admissibility only goes to the issue of legal innocence; McG (and the rest of us) are entitled to consider that info in forming our personal opinions.

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    Aah, Nova, I concur about the "All American Boy" idea. I think Jeffy just had a very hard time admitting to anybody that he wasn't perfect. Collette found that out the hard way, and I feel sure that upon reflection, McG, realized it, too.

    Jeffy snapped and couldn't take it back so the public wouldn't see his 'other side', so he concocted the stupid story that he did. So very sad for Collette and the kids...and all who loved them and believe in God. Jeffy needs to rot.

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    Darn! I can see you and I aren't going to have much of an argument about Dr. MacD. I agree with every word of your post.

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    Originally posted by Nova
    Darn! I can see you and I aren't going to have much of an argument about Dr. MacD. I agree with every word of your post.
    LOL, Nova. Every now and then, life's good, when we agree. More often than not, you seem to agree with my thoughts. Jeffy had an ego bigger than all outdoors, IMO, and that created a place in his mind that didn't allow for his human side that could be ugly, at times. Unfotunately for him, he let it fester to the point that it went beyond ugly. I only wish Collette would have loaded up those kids and fled to McG's home, but I sure don't blame her as she was obviously innocent and naive. God rest her, and her children's, soul. Let Jeffy waller in his squaller, while here on earth, IMO.

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    Originally posted by Imon128
    .... Jeffy needs to rot.
    Finally...Imon...we have found some common ground. As much as I hate to say these words.....I have to admit I agree with you! Jeff MacDonald committed this crime. Must add, though, his behavior and attitude reminds me of SP. As a matter of fact, both Jeff and Scott were notorious womanizers and also either sociopathic or narcisstic. Both of their wives crossed them, and both ended up being murdered.... Both men think they are smarter than everyone else and are accusing the police of framing them....Just some of the similarities...

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