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    Quote Originally Posted by 100%Agave View Post
    I can't decide if you are serious or if you just like to try to get everyone riled up but.....

    These were different techs.

    If someone thinks that they can see the outline then I am not going to say that they did or did not until I can see the same image for myself but I am not going to run them over either.

    As far as I know the image on the duct tape was not imagined. I am pretty sure that it was noted by Dr. G as well but I am sure someone else will correct me if I am wrong.

    When you have humans working rather than machines, you run the risk of a human making a mistake. It happens since they are after all humans and not perfect. That is why they have tech DNA on hand. Just because the tech's DNA was found on the tape does not mean that it is ruined. If there was other DNA they would have been able to separate it if needed.

    ther_beatingA_Dead::ban me:
    Do you have a link to Dr G report stating that?

    Yes people make mistakes, but these are professionals and this evidence may be used in court.

    Do you know the names of each tech that made these statements? I will look myself too. thanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZlawyer View Post
    We have George (former LE) saying that the smell of human decomp is distinctive and was the smell coming from the car. We have Cindy (nurse) saying the smell was that of a dead body--until she backtracked. We have LE officers saying that the smell was human decomp. We have cadaver dogs alerting to the trunk. We have air composition tests that contain the chemical signatures you would expect for human decomp. We have paper towels in the trunk that contain the combination of fats you would expect for a human being who had decomposed in the trunk for a time period consistent with the air composition test results. We have a hair from a dead Caylee in the trunk. The forensics results from the trunk are consistent with those from another trunk that contained a dead baby, and inconsistent with tests run on rotting pizza and dead squirrels.

    And rotting food and most decomposing animals are chemically VERY different from a decomposing human body. There would not be any reason they would smell remotely similar, and indeed they don't, according to everyone who has ever had the opportunity to compare the smells.
    Not to mention the smell of rotting food does not last for MONTHS..I'm willing to bet the car stinks to this very day...well over a year later.

    ETA..we forgot LA's description of the smell, his was a doozy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    She said stain, not impression. Her name is Karen B Cowan. I will check to see if she is the same person. here is the link where she said stain.
    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21151220/detail.html
    There is a stain and an impression. The stain was reported by George and LE also; it sounds like the stain is very obvious. The impression is an outline left by the weight of an object/body on the trunk liner. Like if you left a heavy box in your trunk--that would leave an impression.


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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Do you have a link to Dr G report stating that?

    Yes people make mistakes, but these are professionals and this evidence may be used in court.

    Do you know the names of each tech that made these statements? I will look myself too. thanks
    Dr. G did not report the heart outline. Just the one FBI tech (E. Fontaine, I believe).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spangle View Post
    What you need is a report showing it's rotten food.
    There is a report. There was a trash bag with rotten food in that trunk. The trash came from Tony's kitchen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    There is a report. There was a trash bag with rotten food in that trunk. The trash came from Tony's kitchen.
    What food items were in that trash again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZlawyer View Post
    The LE officers know the smell because they have smelled it. Same as George.

    Yes, it is a fact that the paper towels contain the same fats as a decomposing human body.

    It is also a fact that an official FBI or expert report will NEVER NEVER say "this is definitely human decomp" or anything similar. They will ALWAYS say that, of course, if something completely crazy happened (like...um...a couple of pigs playing with nail polish remover and bleach in the trunk and then dying in there) it might cause a similar chemical signature. That pig scenario wouldn't explain Caylee's hair, though. And of course the fact that Caylee was found dead also bolsters the conclusion that her dead body was in her mom's trunk. At least we've eliminated the possibility that these lab results are incorrect because Caylee is alive.

    The FBI agent was saying that she was told she couldn't say the hair was definitely from a dead body. Exactly what I said in the previous paragraph. They won't say 100%, not ever.

    The air samples are not junk science. They are fairly new science, so they will certainly be challenged by the defense, but they aren't junk science.

    You really just need to read the threads and do your own research. Or call a homicide cop. Yes, experts (which would include homicide cops and cadaver dogs) can tell the difference between these smells. Yes, their testimony regarding these things is permitted in court.
    Hence, everything to fbi says is just subject to speculation or interpretation? That doesn't say much for the fbi. If that is true though, I just interpret it different than you. I need them to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

    I didnt think you could get me a link to an official report that shows human beings can smell the differnce between decomposing animals. I cant find it either. I could call a cop, but I dont trust them anymore than you do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MD MOMMY View Post
    What food items were in that trash again?
    Soda
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    Not sure of everything, but there were maggots which indicate rotten food.


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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Soda
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    Not sure of everything, but there were maggots which indicate rotten food.
    There were soda cans..and maggots on the paper towel which contained adipose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Do you have a link to Dr G report stating that?

    Yes people make mistakes, but these are professionals and this evidence may be used in court.

    Do you know the names of each tech that made these statements? I will look myself too. thanks
    Sorry....my bad...I see that AZLawyer set me straight on Dr. G.

    Let me know what you find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZlawyer View Post
    There is a stain and an impression. The stain was reported by George and LE also; it sounds like the stain is very obvious. The impression is an outline left by the weight of an object/body on the trunk liner. Like if you left a heavy box in your trunk--that would leave an impression.
    ~BBM~

    The stain was on the spare tire cover (pg. 19- "a suspected stain on the spare tire cover" and pg. 65- "sealed metal can containing a piece of stained spare tire cover").

    The spare tire cover is differentiated from the liner on page 56 as evidential item numbers.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/download...9/21147154.pdf


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    I was kinda skeptical abt reports of a visible outline of a body in the trunk. But I hate to say it, I do see the outline.
    Awful, really sad-that poor child...


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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post

    I didnt think you could get me a link to an official report that shows human beings can smell the differnce between decomposing animals. I cant find it either. I could call a cop, but I dont trust them anymore than you do.

    I can't get you a link to an official report and I'm not a cop. I've smelled a decomposing human (thanks to archaic european pre-funeral practices) and I've smelled decomposing animals. They do NOT smell the same. You have to have smelled a dead human to know what one smells like. You never forget it because it doesn't compare to anything else.
    This is just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZlawyer View Post
    The LE officers know the smell because they have smelled it. Same as George.

    Yes, it is a fact that the paper towels contain the same fats as a decomposing human body.

    It is also a fact that an official FBI or expert report will NEVER NEVER say "this is definitely human decomp" or anything similar. They will ALWAYS say that, of course, if something completely crazy happened (like...um...a couple of pigs playing with nail polish remover and bleach in the trunk and then dying in there) it might cause a similar chemical signature. That pig scenario wouldn't explain Caylee's hair, though. And of course the fact that Caylee was found dead also bolsters the conclusion that her dead body was in her mom's trunk. At least we've eliminated the possibility that these lab results are incorrect because Caylee is alive.

    The FBI agent was saying that she was told she couldn't say the hair was definitely from a dead body. Exactly what I said in the previous paragraph. They won't say 100%, not ever.

    The air samples are not junk science. They are fairly new science, so they will certainly be challenged by the defense, but they aren't junk science.

    You really just need to read the threads and do your own research. Or call a homicide cop. Yes, experts (which would include homicide cops and cadaver dogs) can tell the difference between these smells. Yes, their testimony regarding these things is permitted in court.
    I have to say I've smelled really rotten garbage and that is a fraction of the intensity of human decomp odor. It really made my eyes water not to mention the effect on my stomach.


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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Soda
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    Not sure of everything, but there were maggots which indicate rotten food.
    I assume we can at least agree that maggots would seek out a decomposing human body also?



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