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    OH - Sarah Widmer, 24, drowned in bathtub, Hamilton Township, 11 Aug 2008

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32860588...crime_reports/

    I'm not sure what I think about this case. Something doesn't add up but imo there is also too much reasonable doubt to convict. Very sad in all respects, rest in peace Sarah.
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    What a story. I am not sure what to think about this one. I would like to know what caused the bruising at the back of Sarah's neck.

    RIP, Sarah.
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    After reading the link, I do think that the jury came to the correct decision.

    Who knows what goes on behind closed doors, what goes on in a person's mind. Just because a person "thinks" they know another person does not always mean that they can read a person's mind and and know the real person behind the "mask" that they allow the public to see.

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    Just found this - the Prosecution asserts that Ryan Widmer was looking at sites which are used for adults looking for swinging partners, however the defense says there is no proof of him paying the joining fee which means that all he did was look at the front page of the sites which showed pictures of scantily clad women - not a crime one would have to admit.

    http://www.allbusiness.com/crime-law...2430038-1.html

    If they could prove he was actively looking for someone to play around with it would change my perception of the case. As they can't, I think I would have to disregard it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curves View Post
    Just found this - the Prosecution asserts that Ryan Widmer was looking at sites which are used for adults looking for swinging partners, however the defense says there is no proof of him paying the joining fee which means that all he did was look at the front page of the sites which showed pictures of scantily clad women - not a crime one would have to admit.

    http://www.allbusiness.com/crime-law...2430038-1.html

    If they could prove he was actively looking for someone to play around with it would change my perception of the case. As they can't, I think I would have to disregard it.
    They may have been living the lifestyle as a couple... Just thought I'd share as that wouldn't make me change my perception of the case...

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    Moving on to the original question... What is my opinion?

    Too much reasonable doubt to convict. Glad he's getting a new trial.

    It's possible he did it as someone isn't always the person they portray in public, even to their closest friends...

    It's also possible that it was an accidental drowning. I personally know of someone who had a seizure in drown in a mud puddle while at work

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrishyPA View Post
    They may have been living the lifestyle as a couple... Just thought I'd share as that wouldn't make me change my perception of the case...
    Yes,that's true although the way the article was written it didn't come accross to me that way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by curves View Post
    Yes,that's true although the way the article was written it didn't come accross to me that way?
    ITA! It didn't come across that way to me either. Just food for thought (I like to play devils advocate). It's always a possiblility and even their closest friends wouldn't know about that part of their lives.

    ETA: Which could lead to this possibility... maybe she fell for someone they were playing with and he went into a blind rage and did kill her.
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    There are just too many unexplained "questions" that Ryan has been unable to answer.

    Why Sarah's hair was wet, but the bathtub was dry, the rug was dry, no wet towels and her body was dry.

    Why was she bleeding from her vaginal area.

    All of the cuts and bruises on her body.

    Why if he contends his wife "often" fell asleep in the bath, was he not beside her, if he knew she was not safe.

    Unless a person has a medical condition, or otherwise "impaired" how could anyone fall asleep and not wake up when you aspirate water.

    The evidence contradicts the "story" of the husband. Also, the 911 call was meant to "provide" details that would attempt to cover up the "crime".

    This just does not seem to add up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberLaw View Post
    There are just too many unexplained "questions" that Ryan has been unable to answer.

    Why Sarah's hair was wet, but the bathtub was dry, the rug was dry, no wet towels and her body was dry.

    Why was she bleeding from her vaginal area.

    All of the cuts and bruises on her body.

    Why if he contends his wife "often" fell asleep in the bath, was he not beside her, if he knew she was not safe.

    Unless a person has a medical condition, or otherwise "impaired" how could anyone fall asleep and not wake up when you aspirate water.

    The evidence contradicts the "story" of the husband. Also, the 911 call was meant to "provide" details that would attempt to cover up the "crime".

    This just does not seem to add up.
    I agree about the bath tub area being dry - this was the biggest red flag for me. Also, the dateline story doesn't say either way but I would expect that Ryan would be soaking wet aswell from pulling Sarah out of the bath tub. That right there should surely prove the story either way. I must have missed the bleeding part though?

    Playing devils advocate, the biggest reason I could not convict Ryan is lack of motive. There was seemingly no reason for him to kill Sarah and although the evidence doesn't seem to point to a bath tub drowning it doesn't seem to point to a murder either. They had someone (a coroner I think) on the stand who said that the bruising on Sarah's scalp and neck would be expected after the paramedics had been working on her for 45 minutes, and that was the only sign of a violent struggle.
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    I dont get this - in the sense that what healthy adult would not wake up as soon as water went in their nose? I do know some people sleep really hard but no one sleeps that hard that fast....so to me there is no way this was an accident?

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    Have you ever by accident aspirated water while awake, say while swimming. Remember how you felt.

    Then "someone" wants me to believe that a person who is healthy, can then fall asleep breathing air and then "breathe" water and NOT wake up.

    Beyond common sense.....BTW, just because there is no "obvious" motive to "laypersons" does not mean that Ryan has his own motive in his own mind. A person can speculate, but only Ryan knows his "true" motives.

    Could be any reason.....remember Ryan went to great lengths to ensure that everyone "thought" it was natural...........

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    I watched the media coverage of this during the trial and I couldn't make up my mind. I swear if I had been on the jury I don't think I could have gotten beyond "reasonable doubt".

    Friends and family testified during the trial that Sarah fell asleep very easily and deeply and at odd times. I wonder if she wasn't an undiagnosed case of narcolepsy.
    http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/guide/narcolepsy

    I was very surprised that the defense didn't bring this up at trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberLaw View Post
    Have you ever by accident aspirated water while awake, say while swimming. Remember how you felt.

    Then "someone" wants me to believe that a person who is healthy, can then fall asleep breathing air and then "breathe" water and NOT wake up.

    Beyond common sense.....BTW, just because there is no "obvious" motive to "laypersons" does not mean that Ryan has his own motive in his own mind. A person can speculate, but only Ryan knows his "true" motives.

    Could be any reason.....remember Ryan went to great lengths to ensure that everyone "thought" it was natural...........
    I agree but...if it was that clear cut surely so many people wouldn't wither be on the face or think he was innocent and surely there wouldn't be a second trial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberLaw View Post
    Have you ever by accident aspirated water while awake, say while swimming. Remember how you felt.

    Then "someone" wants me to believe that a person who is healthy, can then fall asleep breathing air and then "breathe" water and NOT wake up.

    Beyond common sense.....BTW, just because there is no "obvious" motive to "laypersons" does not mean that Ryan has his own motive in his own mind. A person can speculate, but only Ryan knows his "true" motives.

    Could be any reason.....remember Ryan went to great lengths to ensure that everyone "thought" it was natural...........
    BBM-
    ITA! If it's true that he was surfing adult sites (the family deny this and claim that they have IT pros who can prove they were just pop-ups), then there is the possibility that his wife was not pro porn, and they argued about it, leading to a sudden violent outburst.

    Although many men and women are pro porn and like to indulge- not everyone is. Just google porn addiction and you will see what I mean. Apparently its one of the leading causes of divorce now. And most of the wives live in shame and secrecy, not sharing their pain with even their closest loved ones becuase they will likely be told "boys will be boys- what's the big deal?". Or because they dont want to admit that their 'perfect' husband is so weak that he cannot resist giving into temptation.

    And IIRC there has been a case where the husband murdered his wife because he didnt want his secret addiction revealed.

    Back to this case: Apparently the prosecution could not present this evidence at trial because the files had been deleted and they couldn't prove that his wife had seen them. But then I have to ask why they were deleted at all?
    Most porn addicts cover their tracks by deleting the files. Why delete something if it was just a pop-up?
    Having said that, I don't believe there was enough evidence to support a guilty verdict at the first trial.
    Also it has come out that when the autopsy was performed, they did not complete all possible testing for rare diseases because of the huge cost involved. His supporters are outraged at this, but then why didnt thier own expert perform these tests?
    The only thing worse than an innocent man sitting behind bars is a guilty man walking free.
    It will be interesting to see what comes out at the new trial.
    JMO.
    ETA: just wanted to add that I still have no idea of this mans guilt or innocence. There is very little evidence, but my 'hinky meter' went off as soon as I read the 911 transcript. On a different thread another WS'er posted the following link about 911 calls and how they are assessed for clues as to the callers guilt or innocence.

    http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/...une2008leb.htm
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