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    Quote Originally Posted by JenniferO View Post
    Chuck, I'm wondering if MKs comment about "end of Maple" meant in front of her (MKs) house since it sits at the end of Maple and that's where she, herself, is saying she last saw her.

    And you are correct on the Water Tower.. pretty popular hang out area for kids (of every age) in McCleary.
    Hi, JennO!

    If that is the case I expect MK would have stated, "I saw Lindsey in front of my house."?

    And your confirmation of the Water Tower being a popular hang-out. As I commented, were they also scenting for others, such as POIs in that area, and not just for LB?

    I've wondered for some time why LE searched JM's property so many times. LE might have been searching for others scents there, as well. I read LE obtained many search warrants. Suppose LE obtained scent keys from specific houses, to use in the JM and Water Tower and other area searches?

    And, I expect, LE probably searched areas to confirm story lines, locations, etc, i.e.: were MK and LB really at JM's creek that evening before eventually arriving to MK's, or to confirm certain others were there? MOO

    Were there any open street constructions, re-paves, water / gas / sewage pipe digs on 06/26, 06/27?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorallaroC View Post
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    Thanks for the info about the Water Tower being a popular hang out.

    Do they skate over there, too? (skateboard?)
    I'm not sure. I guess anything is possible but I think the area around the water tower is grass/woods making skating impossible. I've never been up there so I don't know what it is like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckMaureen View Post
    Hi, JennO!

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    Were there any open street constructions, re-paves, water / gas / sewage pipe digs on 06/26, 06/27?
    No idea. I don't live in McCleary and I think the last time I was in McCleary (prior to the end of August) was February
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    Did LE drag / search Sylvia Lake / area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckMaureen View Post
    Did LE drag / search Sylvia Lake / area?
    I don't recall the Sylvia Lake area ever being mentioned in the media so I don't know if the LE has or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckMaureen View Post
    Hi, JennO!

    If that is the case I expect MK would have stated, "I saw Lindsey in front of my house."?

    And your confirmation of the Water Tower being a popular hang-out. As I commented, were they also scenting for others, such as POIs in that area, and not just for LB?

    I've wondered for some time why LE searched JM's property so many times. LE might have been searching for others scents there, as well. I read LE obtained many search warrants. Suppose LE obtained scent keys from specific houses, to use in the JM and Water Tower and other area searches?

    And, I expect, LE probably searched areas to confirm story lines, locations, etc, i.e.: were MK and LB really at JM's creek that evening before eventually arriving to MK's, or to confirm certain others were there? MOO

    Were there any open street constructions, re-paves, water / gas / sewage pipe digs on 06/26, 06/27?
    Hi Chuck, When I talked to the Dispatcher that time she patched me thru to some office - and the lady there told me yes, there were many SW's and they are all of public record and anyone can write a written request for an appt to go read them in person. That is how they do it there. I want to say the Prosecutor's office, not sure.

    It would just be a bit of work for a local. Write a letter, be given an appointment time and then take the time reading - Oh, and of course, then reporting back to us!

    One more thing, yes, the Water Tower is a local hang out from what I've read. But it is also surrounded by logging roads that connect to the main road that becomes Cedar St and leads W to 3rd St, {correct me if I am wrong about that} and are even visible on a satellite map. And there is a logging road that comes down off of Mommsen Rd that goes to the WT.

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    I'm still trying to wrap my head around these items, sourced here:

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html

    "I've tried to keep the thought of somebody grabbing her out of my mind," says her mother, Melissa Baum.

    She says Lindsey argued with her brother on her way to a friend's house Friday night. She talked to her friend for a bit, then started for home as darkness fell.
    In the above quote, there is no mention of other friends. Just, "that she [LB] talked to her friend for a bit". Not plural. Friend. MB did not say LB walked toward home with <insert name here>.

    Continue reading for why I am highlighting this point.

    The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark. "She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.
    In the above quote, SW states, "asked Lindsey to go". Also, no mention of any other friends involved in the scene.

    But then we have this:

    Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home.
    We may assume "witnesses" to be KK, SW and MK, given the phrase: "headed out". I interpret that as meaning, 'just leaving'. So it stands to reason, the "witnesses" are the house occupants.

    But .... what about the "another friend" item?

    When did this [an]other friend appear? Who is the friend? Age? Did SW also tell the friend to go home? Was the friend an adult? No mention of the other friend in previous paragraphs.

    This is one of a few key early issues in this case. I know this has been hashed and re-hashed, and shrugged off as mistaken reporting but I do not read it as such.

    If there were many more principals involved in that scene, I would understand a mixup or confusion in reporting.


    But the only principals inside MK's house that evening, we have:
    • KK
    • SW
    • MK
    • LB
    • MK's siblings? (Were any of them present, in first-person? Were they in their bedrooms? Unknown, I did not locate a report regarding MK's siblings whereabouts for that evening).
    Which one of those principals [minus LB, of course] told a reporter that "another friend even walked her part of the way" ?

    Let's go to the next scene, outside of MK's house:

    http://www.komonews.com/news/49891642.html

    Lindsey was last seen at the corner of 6th and Maple heading home from her friend's house at about 9:15 p.m last Friday.
    Again no mention of "walking with someone".

    Before that 04/03/2009 news item was published, the second witness had already come forward:

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49651607.html

    On Wednesday a second person came forward to report having seen Lindsey Baum on Friday night as she walked home along Maple Street from a friend's house
    I did not locate a story on that web site that reported on a 'first witness'. Sloppy reporting, that.

    The relevant point is that the 6th Street west corner is very close to MK's house. Either KK, SW, MK or an MK sibling walked LB out their door, possibly to the 6th St. west corner and then subsequent witness(es) saw LB on or after that corner.

    ... OR ...

    Someone from MK's house that evening lied to the reporter (or police?) about what really occured.

    Why did the story change and, just as important, why did the report include "another friend"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckMaureen View Post

    But then we have this:
    Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home.
    ...

    But .... what about the "another friend" item?

    When did this [an]other friend appear? Who is the friend? Age? Did SW also tell the friend to go home? Was the friend an adult? No mention of the other friend in previous paragraphs.

    ...

    Why did the story change and, just as important, why did the report include "another friend"?
    I agree it is really important that we get an answer to this. How do we go about doing that tho? Who walked her part of the way home? Who all was in the Kampen home at the time Lindsey left?

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    According to public records for Washington state courts DG continues to get a lot of LE attention, most recently listed August of last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahC View Post
    Golder search warrant thread

    According to public records for Washington state courts DG continues to get a lot of LE attention, most recently listed August of last year.
    Sarah, do you know if Dale's boss at the camp where he worked has been looked at by LE? Just curious


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckMaureen View Post
    I'm still trying to wrap my head around these items, sourced here:

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html



    In the above quote, there is no mention of other friends. Just, "that she [LB] talked to her friend for a bit". Not plural. Friend. MB did not say LB walked toward home with <insert name here>.

    Continue reading for why I am highlighting this point.



    In the above quote, SW states, "asked Lindsey to go". Also, no mention of any other friends involved in the scene.

    But then we have this:



    We may assume "witnesses" to be KK, SW and MK, given the phrase: "headed out". I interpret that as meaning, 'just leaving'. So it stands to reason, the "witnesses" are the house occupants.

    But .... what about the "another friend" item?

    When did this [an]other friend appear? Who is the friend? Age? Did SW also tell the friend to go home? Was the friend an adult? No mention of the other friend in previous paragraphs.

    This is one of a few key early issues in this case. I know this has been hashed and re-hashed, and shrugged off as mistaken reporting but I do not read it as such.

    If there were many more principals involved in that scene, I would understand a mixup or confusion in reporting.


    But the only principals inside MK's house that evening, we have:
    • KK
    • SW
    • MK
    • LB
    • MK's siblings? (Were any of them present, in first-person? Were they in their bedrooms? Unknown, I did not locate a report regarding MK's siblings whereabouts for that evening).
    Which one of those principals [minus LB, of course] told a reporter that "another friend even walked her part of the way" ?

    Let's go to the next scene, outside of MK's house:

    http://www.komonews.com/news/49891642.html




    Again no mention of "walking with someone".

    Before that 04/03/2009 news item was published, the second witness had already come forward:

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49651607.html



    I did not locate a story on that web site that reported on a 'first witness'. Sloppy reporting, that.

    The relevant point is that the 6th Street west corner is very close to MK's house. Either KK, SW, MK or an MK sibling walked LB out their door, possibly to the 6th St. west corner and then subsequent witness(es) saw LB on or after that corner.

    ... OR ...

    Someone from MK's house that evening lied to the reporter (or police?) about what really occured.

    Why did the story change and, just as important, why did the report include "another friend"?
    Hi Chuck, There is a gal named Mary who lives/ed across the street from the Kamden's and down a few houses towards town near the corner. She had a friend visiting her and they were both out in the yard when Lindsey walked by headed towards home. Both of these gals knew Lindsey and one of them had worked with her mother. One of these ladies was the witness who placed Lindsey walking past at 9:15 as I remember.

    I'll try to find the name of the friend who walked part way with Lindsey as I think I know where I can find that.

    PS: It has been so long since I've brought all this info up out of my brain. So names - I'd have to go back and refresh. xox

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