Don't murder in Kentucky! My thread here.
A proud happy people, we were here long before the white man came. Stalking along meadow paths, we were used to hunting every day. The rivers gave us fish, The woods even gave us deer and other wild game. Here upon this land, we built our homes, and raised our families. Love was free and natural, as we moved swiftly among the trees. This was a country, It was here that we lived for centuries. Oh I want peace with my soul again. Oh I, I want peace with my soul again. Everyday was new love,. Our village was filled with smiling faces.
All credit from the quote above, goes to Tom Bee, and XIT! The first Rock Native American band.
Thank you Tom!!
I would like to make note that page 9637 of the docs states that q66 (duct tape on red gas can) is 2 1/2 inches long, however on page 9649 it states that q66 is 2.75 inches long. I am wondering if they are getting these q numbers mixed up, but a quarter of an inch is a big difference. It should also be noted on page 3220 they take the red metal gas can into evidence on Aug 1st and return it on Aug 13th, however no mention of any duct tape. They also state that they take 8 pictures. I know there is only one grainy black and white floating around. That being said, I believe that the q66 duct tape that they are comparing to was put on the gas can after Kc was in jail. IMO
I think it would be great for the prosecutor to have matching duct tape but in looking at all the evidence as a whole I think as a juror I would not need that to think she wrapped Caylee in it. So if you took that matching duct tape out of the equation and reviewed all the other evidence it would not change my mind about what happened and who I felt was responsible. There is no smoking gun but obvioulsy the grand jury did not need one to press charges as the body was not even discovered yet. MOO
And in the end the jury will only consider what is believable regarding the duct tape. The fact that it was taped in such a way on the child's mouth to obstruct the nose and mouth is what they will see. If you did that to a live child, the child would die. That is what they will see and that is what will be in their heads. Not a pretty site and hard for defense to argue that what you are seeing means nothing. jmo
And might I add that the defense has been fighting common sense for dollar signs since this case started. If they had used common sense at all, we wouldn't be where we are NOW. The only ones using common sense has been LE and SA, and that will be shown clearly at trial.
Last edited by Aedrys; 04-25-2010 at 12:42 PM.
Lambchop most excellent post! ITA when it comes to the jury and common sense, and believability. When I review the case etc. I try to view it as if I am a prospective juror as I've been in the past and it really helps to define things as well as eliminate alot of frustration in regards speculation vs. to coming to a rational conclusion with a solid explanation. In the end it will be how the SA lays the case out before the jury. It's like you said, they do like things in neat, tidy little packages!
Last edited by Anais; 04-25-2010 at 02:39 PM.
We all know Henkel tape was found in the A's household. We all know that cotton under certain conditions degrades rapidly. Common sense tells us it's not a stretch to believe the duct tape on Caylee's face came from the A's household given the fact that other missing items from the home were also found at the scene. Put this all together with a mother who has lied to LE about the whereabouts of her child and it sounds like a pretty tight package to me.
Originally Posted by lambchop
Yes, LC...too much evidence that connects to Inmate Anthony...
Understand, this is why CA talking to Inmate Anthony about someone having a "key" to their home..remember during one jailhouse visit, CA asks Inmate Anthony if anyone has been in her home, Inmate Anthony responds, ma, I told you she had a key...still we will hear of this invisible person who had a key to the Anthony home...far stretch but they will try to use this with this UNK stray hair to their advantage but IMO, it won't fly...too much overwhelming evidence that points to Inmate Anthony. I do hope whoever sits on this jury does use common sense to put the totality of evidence and not just one piece...JMHO
Justice for Caylee
I have said all along and still believe that it will not be any one particular piece of evidence that will get her. In the end it will be the totality of it all brough together. The defense has major obsticles to overcome. I think the jury will not disregard the duct tape evidence IMO when you factor in all of the other stuff that brings it together.
And of course there's "my daughter has been missing for the past 31 days and I've gone through other means to try and find her myself." Yes the jury will find that an extremely bitter pill to swallow once they realize the only reason Caylee was reported missing was because of the Grandparents! JMO
Last edited by Anais; 04-26-2010 at 09:53 AM.
Ga stating he did not put that duct tape on that can.
Ga stating that when they returned the can on Aug 13th, it did not have duct tape on it.
No evidence number for the duct tape on the can from the Aug 1st collection. Where is that?
No photo from the tool shed where the can was collected. Where is that?
No statement from Tl saying whether or not he saw duct tape on the can.
No statement from Sb saying that he saw duct tape on the can.
How hard is it? Just go to Tl, and ask him. Just go to Sb and ask him. Just provide the photo from Dec 11th collection with evidence in place in the shed.
My hinky meter goes up on LE when I see these inconsistencies. Its a simple fix, just provide the photos. So, my answer is, I do not know. thanks
Per GA's depo, he didn't say that it was not on the can when LE returned it. He said he could not remember.
pg. 211, lines 5-10
I keep seeing it referenced and I am drawing a blank - who is SB?
In high school they do an experiment where you scratch the surface of a penny and place it in acid. The zinc in the penny will deteriorate in the acid and leave the copper jacket of the penny unharmed...thus you get a hollow penny.
So you would have the same kind of thing going on. The cotton fiber would deteriorate as shown by the T-shirt evidence and http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/et...don_thesis.pdf
In the items I mentioned (mop heads) cotton is not used because of it resistance to deterioration. It is used because of its absorption quality. Anyone who has used a cotton mop and left it in the bucket knows a cotton mop head will deteriorate. As joypath was saying the t-shirt was of a treated higher quality type cotton then what would be found in the tape that and there would be more cotton fiber in the t-shirt then in a 9 inch piece of duct tape.
The pictures of the t-shirt clearly show how cotton will deteriorate when exposed to the elements. So my original statement was to show the flawed logic in thinking that the glue and plastic would "protect" the fibers....because it wont do to cottons absorption. Also cotton does not with stand degradation as shown in the study linked above and the photos of the shirt. My examples were used to show cottons capillary nature (absorption). Not exactly sure how my examples show cotton is resistant to deterioration.