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Thread: 2009.10.09 Duct Tape Photos From Remains Released

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    Quote Originally Posted by BondJamesBond View Post
    Has Q62 ever been shown in its as-found state?

    IOW...handwritten page 9629 shows Q63 & Q64 together as-found. And, IIRC, media reports (and perhaps forensic reports ) were indicating that the tape was 3-layers.

    I'm too wiped out to go through all of these again tonight: http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photog...dexGallery.htm

    Anyone else know...or game to go through these... for Q62 in something other than the final, clean FBI bag? TIA!
    Two here on pgs. 605 & 606.

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21252257/detail.html
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    “Tale of the Tape” Part 1 of 2 – "The process"

    This will be a 2-part post. The 1st part will explain the process of piecing together the Henkel duct tape segments in the exact sequence that they came off of the roll. The goal is to determine if the sequence will provide insight into their use.

    Special thanks to AZLawyer, Muzikman, JWG and Valhall as they’ve entertained my requests for information along the way without much of an explanation why.

    The Henkel duct tape discovered on Suburban Drive can be summarized to include the following:
    • Q62 attached to the skull
    • Q63 attached to the skull
    • Q64 attached to the skull
    • Q100 apart from the skull, but, in the vicinity of the letters of the “Big Trouble…” t-shirt

    One additional piece of interest for this post was recovered from the Hopespring Dr. residence:
    • Q66 covering the vent hold of a gas can


    This particular Henkel duct tape product includes a logo and text marking, alternating to the left & right of center along the length of the non-adhesive side of the backing.

    Henkel logo pattern courtesy of our own FairNBalanced:

    Using the Henkel logo marking pattern I determined the sequence that the segments of tape came from the roll... much like putting together a jigsaw puzzle. When placed in the proper order each tape segment MUST align with BOTH the tear position AND the logo marking of the roll. This alignment process can also suggest if tape segments are missing from within a series if suitable matches for each tear are not found.

    From the manufacturer’s specs cited earlier in the thread I used a tape width of 1.88”. With this measurement I maintained the aspect ratio of each tape segment’s image and scaled it to its actual size. Fortunately, most of the tape segment images are reasonably close to being flat and straight. FWIW, I checked the lengths of the scaled tape segments against the lengths in the forensics reports. All were reasonably close, with only the scaled Q62 image being slightly longer (9.3”).

    Using a flat image of Henkel tape provided by FairNBalanced, and the known 1.88” width, I determined the repeat distance of the logo marking and replicated the text and the relative positions of each of the logo elements. I combined these to create a “virtual duct tape stencil” that I then overlaid on each tape segment. FairNBalanced’s image was remarkably close to the repeat pattern I was able to see in the actual Q-series tape segments.

    The “virtual duct tape stencil” also made it easy to see where the logo marking had degraded or was difficult to view due to the reflection on the plastic sample bags in which they were placed. In all tape segments, however, there was at least one, and in some cases multiple, logo & print marking(s) with which the “virtual” stencil could be confirmed and aligned.

    How logo alignment is done:

    Assumptions:

    • I assumed that the logo on the Henkel tap is right-side up when pulling the tape off the roll in front of you. IF the logo is, in fact, upside down it would simply reverse the sequence of the segments.
    • I also assumed that the segments of duct tape were torn and applied one-at-a-time instead of all of the pieces being torn from the roll before any of them were applied.

    Lining up for matches:
    Here’s and example of lining up two tape segment to determine which is the better fit using the logo pattern. Note that end matches can be eliminated easily when the logo appears out of synch with the stencil (left to right) OR out of synch with the lengthwise position of the logo.


    I repeated this alignment test for all of the tape segments to determine if and how they fit.

    After applying all possible combinations, the following best describes the sequence of taping that occurred:

    1) Q64 applied first
    2) Q100 applied second but NOT over Q64
    3) Q63 applied third over Q64 at an angle
    4) Q62 applied last over Q63


    Only one end of Q100 among all of all the tape segments was significantly deteriorated enough to make the matching questionable. Fortunately, since there were excellent matches with all of the other tears, and since we also know that Q63 was attached on top of Q64, (the piece that came before Q100) it is reasonable to conclude that Q100 was applied after Q64 and before Q63, but, wasn’t sufficiently caught between them.

    Q64 Matches Q100:

    Q100 Matches Q63:

    Q63 Matches Q62:

    I used the same process on the piece of tape from the gas can, Q66, and determined that it was not a fit EITHER BEFORE Q64 or AFTER Q62. This doesn’t mean that Q66 didn’t come from the same roll or batch, only that it wasn’t taken from the roll immediately before Q64 or immediately after Q62. It is worth noting that the gas can tape analysis is not as straight forward as those found with the remains due to one of the images I have being on a curved surface, and the other providing only a partial view of the tape.

    Next...if you have the patience for it ... Part 2 will use the sequence of tape pieces and a few other observations about them to suggest how they were applied.
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    Gosh BJB thx so much!
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    "Tale of the Tape" Part 2 of 2 - "The observations"

    First – it is important to observe the order in which segments must’ve been torn from the roll and how that relates each end one to the other. For example, when tape is layered, the outer-most segment was the last one torn from the roll.



    Second – it is important to note that the Henkel logo markings provide us with an easy means to identify the direction each segment of tape was originally on the roll. This cuts in half the number of possible end pairings that we have to consider.

    Third – consider when a right handed person applies tape from a roll they will typically use their right hand to spool the roll in a left-to-right direction. The Henkel logo orientation on Q64 and Q63 are consistent with this left-to-right application, FWIW.

    Consider the following simple 2-dimensional scale image of Caylee’s face using one of her recent pictures and an average pupillary distance for a 3 year old female of 46mm using the linked reference.



    Important elements used in the speculation that follows:
    (A) The scaled image of Caylee’s face,
    (B) The scaled image of Q63 & Q64, and
    (C) Q100 being apart from the other tape segments

    1. For the placement of Q63 I turned the image of Q63 w/ Q64 upside down and observed what appeared to be shaping suggesting that Q63 was initially affixed to Caylee’s left cheek/lower neck/hair area and, in a left-to-right motion the tape drawn across her chin and mouth area without covering the nasal cavities, in a slight upward diagonal across her face





    2. For the purpose of discussion, since Q100 was placed immediately after Q64 and before Q63 & Q62, yet, the face was still the focus of Q63 & Q62, consider that Q100 may have been placed over the eyes and bridge of nose at a slight diagonal that would eventually be parallel with the placement of Q63. Q100 does not appear to me to have covered the nasal cavity, only the bridge of the nose. Again, Q100 would’ve been affixed in a left-to-right motion with the right end covering Caylee’s left ear. This may explain the severe degradation of this end of the tape as this would’ve been the location of the lowest point of the head from which fluids would prefer to drain if Caylee were placed in the trunk on her left side as was suggested in the images of the stain in the trunk described here







    3. This body orientation may also explain what appears to be advanced degradation of Q64 on the (right) side of the tape that would’ve been on Caylee’s left-lower cheek/jaw in contact with fluid on the trunk flooring

    4. This placement of Q100 may also explain how it would’ve been affixed to irregular surfaces (e.g. eye lids/sockets, bridge of nose, eyebrow/eyelash hairs) that wouldn’t hold it in place as readily as the other segments. Perhaps Q100 was dislodged from her face after being exposed to decomp fluids in the heat when Casey pulled a trashbag down over Caylee’s head and past the left side of her face still being pushed against the floor of the trunk by gravity. This may have resulted in Q100 settling in the abdomen area where it eventually became associated with the shirt and subsequently transported by water/predators @ the Suburban Dr. disposal site.

    5. In addition to noting the focus of all of the other tape segments on the face, consider that IF Q100 had been used to bind Caylee’s wrists it was sufficiently long, IMHO, to have encircled them and adhered back onto itself. Given that Q62, 63 & 64 remained adhered to one another when exposed to similar conditions, I believe Q100 would’ve survived in this configuration also and have been found in the bag with the remains of the arms.

    6. It is the scaled image of Q63 crossing Q64 that leads me to believe that Q63 was placed directly over Caylee’s nostrils. Again using a left-to-right motion at a slightly steeper angle than what was used for Q64, Q63 was used to cover the space that remained between Q64 and Q100 such that it overlapped Q64 as-found, yet, only contacted Q100 at the edge. The measure width of Q63 + Q64 in their as-found condition is 2.6”. Again, using the scaled image of Caylee’s face and the image, this distance would cover from her chin to just over the end of her nose as shown. While it maybe a figment of my imagination, I can envision the formation of the tape in the image to suggest where it once was wrapped around the jaw/mouth/nose area with enough force to leave this impression and hold the mandible in place.


    7. Q62 was placed last, chiefly over the top of Q63 & Q64.


    8. Pure speculation, but, perhaps the angle of tape being applied somewhat consistently was the result of Caylee’s head being tilted to her right from being in her carseat (a) asleep, (b) sedated, or (c) subject to post-mortem rigor & gravity. This angle would’ve been the result of Casey taping in a horizontal manner

    Unfortunately, I haven’t found anything in the above yet to convince me beyond a doubt that the tape was applied post vs. peri-mortem. I can still envision either scenario. Although if I'm forced to make a call @ the moment, the simplicity of the tape originating and returning to the garage begs post-mortem application. I need to let this sink in a bit more and perhaps it’ll become clearer.


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    Wow, Bond. Amazing work!!!

    I don't know how you do it.....

    Thank you for all the time you put into this.



    So necessary, but sooo sad to see this scenario up close and personal....

    I don't know how the jury will get through the autopsy photos.
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    Incredible work Bond!!! I just wish I had not seen the duct tape covering her whole face before going to bed.


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    BJB, the tape and the angle you suggest it was applied gives a lot to think about. One thing that stuck out to me was your number 8. If Caylee's face was tilted to the right when the tape was applied that would suggest that the tape was applied prior to her being placed in the trunk if she was lying on her left side in the trunk.

    I've never thought that Caylee was killed or died in her car seat so to me that leaves her bed or some other place that she lay while sleeping or sedated (or even seriously injured). The duct tape being in the garage doesn't really seem important to me. It may have been put back by KC or, it may have been left in KC's room and put back in the garage by GA or CA. They are so organized that I can see them doing this if they came across duct tape in her room that belongs in the garage.

    So much to think about but, FWIW, this tape angle, head tilted to the right thing makes me more sure that she wasn't lying in the trunk when the tape was placed on her. I can easily envision her head tilted to the right with the angle/placement of the tape and I do believe she lie on her left side in the trunk.


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    Nice work, BJB. Thanks, this is very well thought-out. The idea of that duct tape covering a little child's eyes is very disheartening to say the least. It might be wishful thinking, but I believe and hope that the tape was applied when poor Caylee was already dead, or at least asleep, as you suggest. Small mercies, and all of that.
    I'm off to find those posts of duct tape measurements using "handy dandy calipers", and to see how they line up with your results. Sorry I can't remember whose work that was... off to find out! Thanks again!

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    Good golly, Miss Molly! Or, rather, Mr. BJB! So am I getting this (generally) right: 1) mouth-ish 2) eyes-ish 3) nose-ish?
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    Here you go TG. "The Duct Tape Match #3" thread, post 394 (and good reading thereabouts too).

    BJB I am simply in awe of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valhall View Post
    JWG...you make my head hurt! lol

    Okay, I've been looking at this and here's what I've come up with:

    It's all from the same roll (lmao)...seriously though,

    The right edge of Q62 was not attached to the left edge of Q63.
    The right edge of Q63 was DEFINITELY attached to the left edge of Q64.
    The right edge of Q64 was MOST LIKELY attached to the left edge of Q104.
    The right edge of Q62 MAY HAVE BEEN attached to the left side of Q66.

    I will now inundate you with pictures hoping you can see what I see. On my little handy-dandy screen calipers the read-out between two consecutive Henkel brands in the same location laterally is 260.
















    *NOTE ON Q104 - if you take into account the creases the measurement over to the first Henkel stamp from the left closely matches what is needed to be torn from the right side of Q64 - reading would be 225.
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    BondJamesBond..I thank you for your passion in finding out what happened to Caylee...you should be retained as an expert on this matter...so disheartening to see it as you've shown us..I just can't imagine what poor Caylee must have been feeling, had she been awake..my heart just aches for this precious child and am angered at the mere thought of a mother doing this to her own child. Seeing it makes it that much worse but so appreciate all that you do and of course the others along with you...truly a team effort!

    The ME didn't state there was tape covering Caylee's eyes, her nose and mouth yes....I don't recall the eyes, is this something uncovered within the documents???

    So heartless! I believe the jurors will feel the same way...

    Thank you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flourish View Post
    Good golly, Miss Molly! Or, rather, Mr. BJB! So am I getting this (generally) right: 1) mouth-ish 2) eyes-ish 3) nose-ish?
    *Shudder*
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    Your post makes me think...see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil...have no fun. Poor precious Caylee.

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    BJB~ that follows with the rage/anger scenario...sigh...ug...I think I am going to go hug my babies now.

    It isn't like the pieces of tape were placed...slowly and methodically...but rip, place, rip, place...
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    Has the possibility that she used the paper towels to wipe the grave wax off of Caylee's face to apply the duct tape ever been discussed?

    The fact that she covered her eyes, if what is shown above is true, makes me lean towards an after death application of the tape. It appears as though she was blocking her face from being seen and/or keeping fluids inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Not the Nanny View Post
    Has the possibility that she used the paper towels to wipe the grave wax off of Caylee's face to apply the duct tape ever been discussed?

    The fact that she covered her eyes, if what is shown above is true, makes me lean towards an after death application of the tape. It appears as though she was blocking her face from being seen and/or keeping fluids inside.
    Why not just use a plastic bag? The tape would not keep the fluids from leaking as they would still leak out from under the tape edges. Plus other areas of the body would be leaking far more than the face. The taping was PERSONAL. The eyes, nose, mouth....very personal, not a stranger. This was done by someone who wanted to send a message. A stranger who did not know Caylee would not have bothered to even wrap her in a blanket, much less bag her. Plus a stranger would have dumped the body immediately not held onto it as defense is suggesting. jmo


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    bondjamesbond, I cannot imagine how you did this, emotionally that is. The dedication from you, AZLawyer, JWG, valhill and others is much appreciated.

    Anywho, is there any way this info can be placed in a specific thread up in the reference section for future reference so we won't have to go back and sift through or search?

    Last question for ya, again where was the image of the heart sticker found and how does it relate to this latest info you gave us? I know I should know about the sticker but I am short on time today to search for it. Thanks for all everyone has done to contribute to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    Why not just use a plastic bag? The tape would not keep the fluids from leaking as they would still leak out from under the tape edges. Plus other areas of the body would be leaking far more than the face. The taping was PERSONAL. The eyes, nose, mouth....very personal, not a stranger. This was done by someone who wanted to send a message. A stranger who did not know Caylee would not have bothered to even wrap her in a blanket, much less bag her. Plus a stranger would have dumped the body immediately not held onto it as defense is suggesting. jmo
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    LambChop, I couldn't agree more!

    I waited on BJB to post his 2nd part before I went to bed. It bothered me so badly, I couldn't sleep. An hour later, I finally got up and took a Simply Sleep.

    In re. the sentence I bolded - That was exactly what shook me to my core when I first saw this last night. This method of taping was PERSONAL. I didn't really have an opinion before about this being a rage killing - I do now. IMO, this tape wasn't applied to stop decomp fluid. The garbage bags and laundry bag served that purpose. No stranger is gonna tape a baby's face, they're just gonna dump the body. And not 15 houses away from the child's home.


    I think KC's message went something like this:

    'Sorry sweets, but I gotta go live MY life and you're cramping my style. Oh, and it seems everyone needs a reminder that I am the princess of this family. One last kiss from Mommy.' <insert heart sticker>


    I have to believe that Caylee was sedated before the taped was applied. If for no other reason than it brings me a little bit of comfort that she wasn't looking into her mother's eyes as this was done.


    This visual has affected me more than any other post I have read on WS. I really had my doubts that the jury could hand down the DP. (Actually, I wasn't even sure I wanted it. LWOP seemed good enough for me.) Mitigate all you want, defense. Those autopsy photos are gonna shout louder than anything Andrea Lyon spews out of her mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beach2yall View Post
    BBM

    LambChop, I couldn't agree more!

    I waited on BJB to post his 2nd part before I went to bed. It bothered me so badly, I couldn't sleep. An hour later, I finally got up and took a Simply Sleep.

    In re. the sentence I bolded - That was exactly what shook me to my core when I first saw this last night. This method of taping was PERSONAL. I didn't really have an opinion before about this being a rage killing - I do now. IMO, this tape wasn't applied to stop decomp fluid. The garbage bags and laundry bag served that purpose. No stranger is gonna tape a baby's face, they're just gonna dump the body. And not 15 houses away from the child's home.


    I think KC's message went something like this:

    'Sorry sweets, but I gotta go live MY life and you're cramping my style. Oh, and it seems everyone needs a reminder that I am the princess of this family. One last kiss from Mommy.' <insert heart sticker>


    I have to believe that Caylee was sedated before the taped was applied. If for no other reason than it brings me a little bit of comfort that she wasn't looking into her mother's eyes as this was done.


    This visual has affected me more than any other post I have read on WS. I really had my doubts that the jury could hand down the DP. (Actually, I wasn't even sure I wanted it. LWOP seemed good enough for me.) Mitigate all you want, defense. Those autopsy photos are gonna shout louder than anything Andrea Lyon spews out of her mouth.
    I think the high chloroform readings in the trunk may indicate she tried that and it may have killed Caylee. We may never know. But the taping, we know was personal.

    When we see KC in court at the hearings, and yesterday when CM requested she waive her right to be in court. She does not want to hear these details. She does not like JP discussing the DP in front of her. Where JS was considerate of her feelings, JP is acting accordingly and telling her like it is, treating her the same as any normal defendant and she is not liking it. What will happen during the trial when KC has to sit there and listen to the discussion about the taping of Caylee Marie Anthony? She will come unglued. I don't think defense will be able to control her and that will be a big problem for them.

    jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    I think the high chloroform readings in the trunk may indicate she tried that and it may have killed Caylee. We may never know. But the taping, we know was personal.

    When we see KC in court at the hearings, and yesterday when CM requested she waive her right to be in court. She does not want to hear these details. She does not like JP discussing the DP in front of her. Where JS was considerate of her feelings, JP is acting accordingly and telling her like it is, treating her the same as any normal defendant and she is not liking it. What will happen during the trial when KC has to sit there and listen to the discussion about the taping of Caylee Marie Anthony? She will come unglued. I don't think defense will be able to control her and that will be a big problem for them.

    jmo
    I agree. I never thought I'd see the day when I was grateful for the chloroform levels, but today I am.

    ITA also that KC is not going to be able to control her reactions when they start describing the taping. It is gonna be a huge problem for the defense. In fact, it just may turn out to be their biggest problem. She's not going to be able to "MAKE HIM STOP!!!!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ynotdivein View Post
    Here you go TG. "The Duct Tape Match #3" thread, post 394 (and good reading thereabouts too).
    *snipped*
    Hi, everyone

    Drive-by posting @ work so I can't stay. Would be here kicking this around all day if I could.

    I do wanna get something up quickly though:

    Personal thanks to ynotdivein for providing the quote above from the #3 thread. I was essentially MIA on WS last October and hadn't seen the work that Val & JWG did on this almost a year ago BTW, I esp. like Val's callipers...tres cool (almost as much as I like AZ's duct tape dress...but... that's a different story for an entirely different thread).

    FYI: Here's the [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4325908&postcount=314"]post[/ame] JWG kicked things off with to which Val responded in ynot's link above. So...a big TY to ynot for keeping things anchored. Its a good read.

    And, in a "good news" sorta way - if I'm understanding Val and/or JWG's conclusions back in '09 - we may have some different interpretations of the sequence. I view this as a good thing...cause I'd like to spend a little more quality time on sleuthin' this out.

    I also wanted to comment - albeit quickly - I had to stay away from a focused look @ the duct tape for some time. I just couldn't bring myself to pour over it like I knew it needed to be done. And, as should be obvious from my posts & questions, I haven't been well-versed in duct-tape-o-logy and defer to all the other WS's like JWG, Val, AZ, Muzikman, Beach, Harmony 2, and so many others that have studied it intensely. I'm very prepared to be educated/ informed/ corrected on any & all points of the subject.

    Again - in 1/100th of the words I'd like to use to express what I wanna. I apologize if the illustration/graphics I used to illustrate the tape application cause anyone more grief than they've already experienced w/ this case. I struggled to find a way to get the information across w/o being as life-like as I could've easily been. So...it looks crude for a reason, IYKWIM. I said a little prayer asking Caylee for forgiveness at the very notion of doing this exercise...even digitally. In my heart, I think she'd understand that getting to the truth is my intent. Doesn't make it any easier though. And I appreciate that Countzero recognized this element of putting it together. Sorry, Beach, I certainly meant no harm.

    Finally - I wanna acknowledge - as I don't enough. My work is rarely, rarely, rarely, solely my own. If I had to guess it's prolly 10% mine. Unless it is full of mistakes & errors, or just flat wrong...THEN...its definitely 100% mine As LivLaughLuv posted above...its all teamwork in my view

    And to that end, I caught something looking things over again this morning. In an email from AZ last week she had mentioned something about being able to see the image of Caylee's jaw, etc. in the Q63/Q64 tape while they were still stuck together. I was very focused on matching up the logos, etc. and wasn't thinking at the time about what could be seen, image-wise, in the tape pieces. I must've picked up on AZ wrote in her email when I shifted focus and started making Part 2 (see the graphic of Q63/64) without realizing it. I was flipping the image around so I could show it like it would look from the opposite, non-adhesive side for posting purposes - to make it easier for readers to understand in comparison to the FBI images, since they are of the non-adhesive side...keeping things consistent from a left-to-right POV IYKWIM. When I did this *bam* it became visible to me. It musta been helped along by AZ's suggestion earlier. Anyway...I'm rambling. Props to AZ for making that observation. She also made a comment about Q100 possibly bein' over the eyes too. So...in the interest of proper credit. AZ. Pls throw some "thank you"s to the fine WS's that put up w/ my questions recently about carp they studied months ago

    Looking forward to seeing if we've interpreted the sequence differently ...'cause I think we did. And maybe...just maybe...some more pics of AZ's dress
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    Quote Originally Posted by flourish View Post
    Good golly, Miss Molly! Or, rather, Mr. BJB! So am I getting this (generally) right: 1) mouth-ish 2) eyes-ish 3) nose-ish?
    *Shudder*
    1) Don't talk 2) Don't look 3) Don't be
    (jmo)
    (IMO) It's almost as if she
    1) covered Caylee's mouth - don't talk/don't tell
    2) covered her eyes - don't look/don't see - it's your Mom
    (did she hesitate at this point?)

    3) covered her nose - don't breathe/don't live/don't exist

    (No Signs of Struggles - the pieces lay in the same angle - did not crumple or get stuck on something else because of any thrashing!)

    4) Finally give the faceless a kiss goodbye with a little heart

    5) Triple bag the trash, dump and walk away forever

    No Face
    No Child
    No Memory
    No History
    No Problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by BondJamesBond View Post
    Again - in 1/100th of the words I'd like to use to express what I wanna. I apologize if the illustration/graphics I used to illustrate the tape application cause anyone more grief than they've already experienced w/ this case. I struggled to find a way to get the information across w/o being as life-like as I could've easily been. So...it looks crude for a reason, IYKWIM. I said a little prayer asking Caylee for forgiveness at the very notion of doing this exercise...even digitally. In my heart, I think she'd understand that getting to the truth is my intent. Doesn't make it any easier though. And I appreciate that countzero (IIRC) recognized this element of putting it together. Sorry, Beach, I certainly meant no harm.
    -respectfully snipped; BBM

    Oh please! No apology necessary at all! I understand and appreciate the value of this project and the results, so YES, I know exactly what you mean. You could not have presented it in a more respectful manner. I know you well enough to know this was not easy for you. Caylee would be proud.

    And a HUGE THANK YOU to those involved in helping - ynot, AZ, JWG, Valhall and any others I may have missed. I am constantly in awe of the intelligence and dedication of so many here. I wish I could help more than providing a reference link here and there, but frankly, you guys are in a whole other league than me. Assign me some busy work and I will be happy to chip in to help in any way I can in re. future projects.


    Now, AZ post a pic of that dress so we can lighten it up around here.
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    This thread is getting harder and harder to read, which I hope means we're getting closer and closer to the truth.

    To answer someone's question up the thread, the heart sticker residue (if it was really there) was "near the end" of Q63 (the piece that was put over the top of Q64, which was over the mouth). I don't think we know which end.

    ETA: The dress is just a rumor. Pay no attention. Move along.

    ETA2: "Q100" referenced by Bond is just the OCSO number for "Q104" referenced by others. So we are still talking about 4 pieces of Henkel tape--3 found on the skull and one at the scene.
    Last edited by AZlawyer; 05-07-2010 at 01:53 PM.

    "It would seem to me that June 16, 2008 was the last time that the victim was viewed by her grandparents. It became quite evident that from the OS of the Defense that the 16th was a date of great importance and that a so called time line of activities dealing with CA, LA, GA and ICA on the 16th and what, if any, activities took place on the 15th, 16th and 17th of June on 24 hour cycles would have been, at least, of a minimal requirement of review. I take it at some point you had a computer expert look at that data?" HHJP, 6/21/11
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...139910&page=94

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    BondJamesBond: You illustrated your findings with great respect to Caylee, imo.

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