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    Quote Originally Posted by FaerieB View Post
    I must say that I thought maybe I could see the heart, too, until I downloaded the pics from Muzikman. (http://www.filedropper.com/100909caseypicfolders) In there are the unretouched, unresized photos of the duct tape; it is well worth downloading the rest of the photos (mostly KC's party photos) to get the folder with these pictures!! Thanks MM!!
    I was just looking at those too. The more I blew up the photos, the less I could see the heart outline.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZlawyer View Post
    I was just looking at those too. The more I blew up the photos, the less I could see the heart outline.
    Goes to show how much detail is lost/converted just by resizing photos. What a difference!


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    I came across an interesting post on another site about a dental impression that someone believes they see.
    I can direct you to the site or link it but not sure it is allowed.

    I wasn't able to see the impression but when I downloaded Muzikman's high res. images of the tape I do see something.
    Its Q62 - botton left edge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by QB. View Post
    I came across an interesting post on another site about a dental impression that someone believes they see.
    I can direct you to the site or link it but not sure it is allowed.

    I wasn't able to see the impression but when I downloaded Muzikman's high res. images of the tape I do see something.
    Its Q62 - botton left edge.
    I see the mark you're looking at. However, it appears to be at least 2/3 of the 2" width of the tape. I'm fairly confident that that would be much too big to be a primary tooth.

    JMO.

    ETA: I just looked at the same area on the back (adhesive) of the tape. It appears that mark is being made where the fibers are moved.

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    Defense now says the tape wasn't over Caylee's mouth and that there's DNA to prove that a "stranger" was involved:

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...his-child.html

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    "The state has led you to believe that there's duct tape around the mouth," attorney Linda Kenney Baden tells CBS' Maggie Rodriguez. "All we can say is that's going to be a disputed issue."

    On the duct tape, DNA was found that belongs to an unidentified person, and that evidently is key to the defense's approach."
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    FaerieB,
    I am not sure I do see it, but this poster described what they saw and it was convincing.
    The impression appears, according to the poster, at the left edge of the tape Q62 towards the bottom of the tape.
    Last edited by QB.; 10-14-2009 at 08:50 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by QB. View Post
    I measured my dental impression and its 1 1/2 inches.
    Sorry, I just don't see anything that is not explainable when you compare it to the reverse side. If I haven't captured the correct part of the tape, please steer me in a direction.


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    Just wanted to add that, after a private conversation with QB, I figured out we were talking apples and oranges. I thought we were referring to Caylee's dental impression but in reality someone else had suggested it was KC's impression we were looking at. The claim is that KC used her teeth to tear the tape (see attachment) and you can see her dental arch as well as supposed teeth. That poster says you can see the impression just above and to the left of the H. I've been over that picture to the point of making myself ill, and just don't see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angeldust View Post
    If you download this doc there is a pic near to bottom of the file that clearly shows a heart shaped sticker on tape I am new here so hope i have this right

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21252744/detail.html

    sorry if im wrong

    pages 38 and 39
    I have been following the Haileigh C. case for the passed month or so....but came to WS because of the great details and intelligent theories pertaining to Caylee. Thinking of how horrible the last moments of Caylee's life must have been is gut-wrenching. Seeing these photos for the first time, tonight, I am full of tears. These pictures really bring it home. I am sure when the jury sees these pics and the ones of Caylee's little bones.......................that horrible @&%# is finally going to have to deal with consequences.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FaerieB View Post
    Just wanted to add that, after a private conversation with QB, I figured out we were talking apples and oranges. I thought we were referring to Caylee's dental impression but in reality someone else had suggested it was KC's impression we were looking at. The claim is that KC used her teeth to tear the tape (see attachment) and you can see her dental arch as well as supposed teeth. That poster says you can see the impression just above and to the left of the H. I've been over that picture to the point of making myself ill, and just don't see it.
    IMO this is along the same lines as was discussed ad infinitum of the recovery scene photos supposing one could see a skull in ever bit of leaf and under ever tree trunk and against each root. Also a cat, IIRC.

    Pictures by themselves can be made to appear as many things they are not, especially in imagination when we were not there to see the actual object being photographed. Therefore, in no way disrespecting any one elses opinion , and not to disparage anything seen by anyone, I do not think these are teeth marks. They are indentations to be sure, but I highly doubt teeth impressions would be CSI worthy after months underwater and exposed to elements. Much the same as fingerprints. I just dont see the logic of it.

    and the pictures are highly subjective without eyewitness backup.

    no skulls, no hearts, no teeth marks, no book, no cat. IMOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by LawRig View Post
    IMO this is along the same lines as was discussed ad infinitum of the recovery scene photos supposing one could see a skull in ever bit of leaf and under ever tree trunk and against each root. Also a cat, IIRC.

    Pictures by themselves can be made to appear as many things they are not, especially in imagination when we were not there to see the actual object being photographed. Therefore, in no way disrespecting any one elses opinion , and not to disparage anything seen by anyone, I do not think these are teeth marks. They are indentations to be sure, but I highly doubt teeth impressions would be CSI worthy after months underwater and exposed to elements. Much the same as fingerprints. I just dont see the logic of it.

    and the pictures are highly subjective without eyewitness backup.

    no skulls, no hearts, no teeth marks, no book, no cat. IMOO

    I see your point. In looking at the photo, I can see where it appears to be some kind of indentation and looking at it longer, I could convince myself that it is teeth impressions, but if you were to suggest it was something else, I could easily swing that way too. So I would have to disregard this impression if I was a juror looking at it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousTwo View Post
    Defense now says the tape wasn't over Caylee's mouth and that there's DNA to prove that a "stranger" was involved:

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...his-child.html

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    "The state has led you to believe that there's duct tape around the mouth," attorney Linda Kenney Baden tells CBS' Maggie Rodriguez. "All we can say is that's going to be a disputed issue."

    On the duct tape, DNA was found that belongs to an unidentified person, and that evidently is key to the defense's approach."
    She can try and debate it with Dr G but it is recorded as being over her mandible and portion of the maxilla, so her mouth and nose were covered.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZsaZsa View Post
    She can try and debate it with Dr G but it is recorded as being over her mandible and portion of the maxilla, so her mouth and nose were covered.
    Also, in Roy K's LE interviews, he clearly talks about the duct tape around the mouth. Gosh, these people are horrible liars.

    I'm confident that Dr. G took photos and other documentation.

    Let the jury decide. They are the poor souls that will actually have to view the photos of it, and possibly other diagrams.
    There is no justice in this system.


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    O/T But I feel like I'm thread stalking you ZsaZsa lol. I assure you that's not the case! I just keep clicking on the same links as you, and agree with many of your posts!
    There is no justice in this system.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZsaZsa View Post
    She can try and debate it with Dr G but it is recorded as being over her mandible and portion of the maxilla, so her mouth and nose were covered.
    Hi ZZ- Do you have a link to info that was released from Dr. G regarding the position of the tape on the skull? Been trying to find it and it would be helpful here, I think.

    thanks!


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