Looking for tips on research reported missing adults in the mid 80's. Was there a data base then? Also trying to find a data base for missing adults in Mexico around that time. I have an unidentified homicide with multiple tatoos and I believe it is possible he is from Mexico, Suggestions?
TX TX - Conroe, Crater Lake, WhtMale 20-35, UP4239, clothes, tattoos: "Liz", "Baby Dawn", devil, Aug'86 - Clarence Wilson
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Victim found north of Houston TX, 1986.
I am trying to figure out the NAMUS site. I am not with an agency but they ask that during registration. Can indviduals search there without registration? I know I cannot view photos because I got an error message when I tried. I did find a DPS site for TX but would like to access NAMEus. Any suggestions? TIA
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/Unidentified.asp
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You don't have to register to use namus.
Go to Namus.gov. Click on the box next to the Unidentified Decedents icon (lower half of page.) On the next page, click Search tab on the upper part of the page, then click the second option that drops down, New Search.
And you're in.
Go to Namus.gov. Click on the box next to the Unidentified Decedents icon (lower half of page.) On the next page, click Search tab on the upper part of the page, then click the second option that drops down, New Search.
And you're in.
Thanks for the help. Here is the case if anyone wants to look at it.Scroll down to
1986 Case # 85-19394
http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
At the time of recovery of the body, someone said he could be very light hispanic. Checking the NY area considering he had the nick name listed here. Nothing so far. I won't tell ya how long I have been tying to solve this!
1986 Case # 85-19394
http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
At the time of recovery of the body, someone said he could be very light hispanic. Checking the NY area considering he had the nick name listed here. Nothing so far. I won't tell ya how long I have been tying to solve this!
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Thanks for the help. Here is the case if anyone wants to look at it.Scroll down to
1986 Case # 85-19394
http://www.woodlandsonline.com/dbs/sheriff/files/File/COLDCASE.pdf
At the time of recovery of the body, someone said he could be very light hispanic. Checking the NY area considering he had the nick name listed here. Nothing so far. I won't tell ya how long I have been tying to solve this!
I've had the same murder case on the back burner for 11 years...and some Does and missing I haven't completely stopped working on in almost 5 years.
believe me, it's nothing new around here.
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I will keep your guy in mind when I search.
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http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/84umtx.html
https://identifyus.org/cases/4239
Drawings of the tattoos included in DN and the cold case PDF, not in Namus.
Namus lists no exclusions.
https://identifyus.org/cases/4239
Drawings of the tattoos included in DN and the cold case PDF, not in Namus.
Namus lists no exclusions.
In the Houston Chronicle today, good high res pics of the tattoos and possible nickname of "New York Billy"...
Seems like a high chance of potentially identifying this person.
docbh
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From the same article
https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/...r-man-found-floating-with-cement-12812238.php
Bringing forward his sketches from Namus and Doe Network:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/84umtx.html
https://identifyus.org/cases/4239
https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/...r-man-found-floating-with-cement-12812238.php
Bringing forward his sketches from Namus and Doe Network:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/84umtx.html
https://identifyus.org/cases/4239
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A bit about location - The Bodies of Crater Lake
http://swordandscale.com/the-bodies-of-crater-lake/
http://swordandscale.com/the-bodies-of-crater-lake/
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Leon Moncer? http://charleyproject.org/case/leon-arthur-moncer
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/16965/0/
Missing in 1982 from Ohio but reported sightings for at least two years after that. Height is spot on, weight within 15 lbs, would have been 25 or 26 when decedent is thought to have died. And no DNA according to Namus, though there are dentals.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/16965/0/
Missing in 1982 from Ohio but reported sightings for at least two years after that. Height is spot on, weight within 15 lbs, would have been 25 or 26 when decedent is thought to have died. And no DNA according to Namus, though there are dentals.
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84UMTX - Unidentified Male
Reconstructions of the victim; tattoo on right arm "Baby Dawn" and flower type design; tattoo on lower left arm of small devil; tattoo on upper left arm "Liz"
Date of Discovery: August 3, 1986
Location of Discovery: Conroe, Montgomery County, Texas
Estimated Date of Death: On or around July 30, 1986
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Decomposing/putrefaction
Cause of Death: Homicide by gunshot
Physical Description
Estimated Age: 20-35 years old
Race: White
Gender: Male
Height: 5'5" to 5'7"
Weight: 130-140 lbs.
Hair Color: Reddish-brown, shoulder-length
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Left earlobe pierced. Tattoo on lower left arm of small devil with painted tail; tattoo upper left arm "Liz", poor quality design. Tattoo right arm "Baby Dawn" and flower type design, poor quality design.
Identifiers
Dentals: Available. Decaying teeth. Wisdom teeth #1, #16, & #32 were surgically removed (absent). Wisdom tooth #17 was present.
Fingerprints: Not available.
DNA: Available.
Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: He was wearing blue Levi's jeans, size 30 waist, 31 length, in good condition. A brown short sleeve sport shirt, double open type pockets, and squaretail. Label inside collar had M-SS, 8-0178-25, “Wilson” written on it.
Jewelry: An earring (description unavailable)
Additional Personal Items: Unknown
Circumstances of Discovery
The victim was located in Crater Lake, on August 3, 1986. Several persons were at Crater Lake when they observed what appeared to be a body in the water. MCSO Deputies responded, along with the local fire department. The body was removed from the lake utilizing a boat and it was discovered that the body had been weighted down with two cement cinder blocks that were attached to the body with an electrical cord. An autopsy revealed that the unidentified male had died from multiple gunshot wounds. Possible street name of “New York Billy”.
His remains were exhumed in 2015 for DNA analysis and to create a reconstruction.
Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Montgomery County Forensic Services
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 936-538-3791
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: PA86-0277
Agency Name: Montgomery County Sheriff's Office
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 936-760-5800
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: 86-19394
Agency Name: Harris County Medical Examiner
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 713-796-6827
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: Unknown
Agency Name: TXDPS
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 512-424-5074
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: U8611003
NCIC Case Number: U222297322
NamUs Case Number: 4239
Information Source(s)
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TXDPS
Montgomery County Police Department
Admin Notes
Added: 7/22/00; Last Updated: 6/7/17
Reconstructions of the victim; tattoo on right arm "Baby Dawn" and flower type design; tattoo on lower left arm of small devil; tattoo on upper left arm "Liz"
Date of Discovery: August 3, 1986
Location of Discovery: Conroe, Montgomery County, Texas
Estimated Date of Death: On or around July 30, 1986
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Decomposing/putrefaction
Cause of Death: Homicide by gunshot
Physical Description
Estimated Age: 20-35 years old
Race: White
Gender: Male
Height: 5'5" to 5'7"
Weight: 130-140 lbs.
Hair Color: Reddish-brown, shoulder-length
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Left earlobe pierced. Tattoo on lower left arm of small devil with painted tail; tattoo upper left arm "Liz", poor quality design. Tattoo right arm "Baby Dawn" and flower type design, poor quality design.
Identifiers
Dentals: Available. Decaying teeth. Wisdom teeth #1, #16, & #32 were surgically removed (absent). Wisdom tooth #17 was present.
Fingerprints: Not available.
DNA: Available.
Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: He was wearing blue Levi's jeans, size 30 waist, 31 length, in good condition. A brown short sleeve sport shirt, double open type pockets, and squaretail. Label inside collar had M-SS, 8-0178-25, “Wilson” written on it.
Jewelry: An earring (description unavailable)
Additional Personal Items: Unknown
Circumstances of Discovery
The victim was located in Crater Lake, on August 3, 1986. Several persons were at Crater Lake when they observed what appeared to be a body in the water. MCSO Deputies responded, along with the local fire department. The body was removed from the lake utilizing a boat and it was discovered that the body had been weighted down with two cement cinder blocks that were attached to the body with an electrical cord. An autopsy revealed that the unidentified male had died from multiple gunshot wounds. Possible street name of “New York Billy”.
His remains were exhumed in 2015 for DNA analysis and to create a reconstruction.
Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Montgomery County Forensic Services
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 936-538-3791
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: PA86-0277
Agency Name: Montgomery County Sheriff's Office
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 936-760-5800
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: 86-19394
Agency Name: Harris County Medical Examiner
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 713-796-6827
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: Unknown
Agency Name: TXDPS
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 512-424-5074
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: U8611003
NCIC Case Number: U222297322
NamUs Case Number: 4239
Information Source(s)
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Montgomery County Police Department
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NamUs #UP4239
Estimated Age Group: Adult - Pre 40
Estimated Age Range (Years): 20-35
Estimated Year of Death: 1986
Measured Height: 5' 6" (66 inches)
Estimated Weight: 132 lbs
Missing Person Exclusions per NamUs:
MP15512 James Skelton 03/06/1986 Harris TX
New York Billy
Estimated Age Group: Adult - Pre 40
Estimated Age Range (Years): 20-35
Estimated Year of Death: 1986
Measured Height: 5' 6" (66 inches)
Estimated Weight: 132 lbs
Missing Person Exclusions per NamUs:
MP15512 James Skelton 03/06/1986 Harris TX
New York Billy
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I’m not certain on time frames and locations, but does this UID’s description and details remind anyone else of a “Bob Evans”/Terry Rasmussen?? Maybe not related, but it was the first thing I thought of.
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That is an odd coincidence. It can't be him though--he died in prison in California. Also looks nothing like him.
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I didn’t mean it could be him!
(Although I’m not sure anything would surprise me when it comes to him). Rather, could he have been one of his victims? If I’m not mistaken, there’s potentially another child whom could have been in the picture at some point...not “Lisa”, the middle daughter, or the ones already identified. It seems like I read somewhere (I think it may have been the woman from the California trailer park where Lisa was abandoned) mentioning something about Lisa having a younger sibling or babysitting for 2 children. This was during the time it would have been highly unlikely for it to have been Sarah, Marie, or his unidentified daughter. I was just thinking if he were to have ever been seen with another small child, and the child wasn’t his, maybe the child, its mother and father are dead somewhere. I’m guessing it’s known, just not to me, who Dawn’s biological father is? Mercy, I posted this so long ago p) I’ve forgotten my train of thought with it.
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Hmmmm.
It would need to be somebody who knew "Liz" and baby Dawn before RE/TR started calling her Lisa, though. Liz's brother maybe? We don't know of any male victims of TR, but with what's been reported of his temper when he was drunk, I don't think he had a particular victim profile.
It would need to be somebody who knew "Liz" and baby Dawn before RE/TR started calling her Lisa, though. Liz's brother maybe? We don't know of any male victims of TR, but with what's been reported of his temper when he was drunk, I don't think he had a particular victim profile.
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Brother! Quite possibly. I just can’t imagine that he never was around males. Whether they be old, young, close friends, acquaintances, or most especially relatives of his girlfriends. He must have interacted with them at some point. And like you said, with his temper, I can’t believe he never snapped with one of them. Now I’m more curious about the males he came into contact with.
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Though since we don't know who Liz/Elizabeth was, it's not that much help