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  1. #16
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    Snufamonbobball is offline But O for the touch of the vanished hand & the sound of the voice that is still.
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    You are the best NMK! I'm going to have to buy some photo editing software, using "paint" just doesn't do a whole lot, so thank you.

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    Psst.
    http://picasa.google.com/

    it's free. Not quite Photoshop, but not bad for the price.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    Whatever it is, it's battery operated. That odd looking spot under the GE at the end of George is a battery compartment, minus cover.
    I stared at it, finally made my fiancee stare at it too, and he says that it looks like one of the calculators from the old day planners or school binders. Face down so you can't see any of the keys it could be. Past that, plastic, white and battery operated is all I can say for sure. My computer is being funny, so I'll get photo link up in the morning.
    i still can't see the I in Martinez, I see a smudge, but only because I know I'm supposed to see it. I don't imagine what else it could say, unless it's a very crude map of Mar St. (which I don't even think exists.)

    There is a Del Mar St. NE. in Alberquerque. It is several miles from where she was found though, and I can't even be sure that's what the white thing says. Map:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...wloc=A&layer=t
    Last edited by not_my_kids; 10-16-2009 at 12:51 AM.
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    I did a search and there are several George Martinez's in Albuquerque. I wonder if LE ever interviewed him/them? All those beer bottles makes me think that at one time she was not alone in that room. I wonder if they still have the bottles and the cigarette butts and could DNA on them. I am betting she was not alone the whole time. She had $500 cash, a suitcase, but no ID in her purse? No other notes or match books etc? Makes me think that she left someplace else quickly, and was not planning to go far. The note with George Martinez on it looks like it was written in blood or lipstick. I wish they had a closeup on that. I also wish they had photographed everything in her suitcase separately. That photo is creepy--she does not look amused or like she is enjoying herself; she truly looks scared. NAMUS does not have photos on their site. Another interesting thought...she wrote George Martinez, not Jorge, so perhaps she was not hispanic?
    Last edited by Julessleuther; 10-16-2009 at 02:56 AM.

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    I can't get changes to save to the pictures, because I have a hearty community of computer gremlins in my PC.
    I will eventually get it to save, but the main thing that I can get to show is the depth of the object, the flash from the original picture being taken really made it hard to determine depth.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    "George Martinez" looks to me like it's written in oxidized magic marker - for instance as a kid or an employee might want to claim the property. When magic marker ages, it oxidizes and turns a kind of reddish brown. It sure could be a calculator but I can't confirm that of course.

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    I got it to where it shows the battery compartment a little better. It's the picture from the Doe Network, just filled in a little more to make up for the flash. I'm not going to post the picture because I don't know how and because I am suddenly very aware of copyright law.

    Link: http://picasaweb.google.com/tmdj06/D...e0qO7kuJnKrQE#
    Last edited by not_my_kids; 10-17-2009 at 08:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufamonbobball View Post
    When Norine went missing there were empty beer containers and cigarettes, just like with the UF, but a lot of suicides have alcohol involved.

    My personal feeling is this UF is a better match for Norine than the Joel Rifkin victim, but maybe they have already eliminated this UID as a possible match. The whole George Martinez thing- I don't know. I do think it's interesting that on the table two of the beers hardly have a sip out of them. I wonder if someone was there with her before her suicide. She had a suitcase packed with clothes and personal care items. She had money with her. I'd be willing to bet that whomever George Martinez is- he broke her heart.

    I've tried to figure out what the George Martinez name is written on. Even when you zoom in on the FBI site, you can't tell (or I can't at least).

    I also thought of the Joel Rifkin victim when I saw Norine's case file. In my opinion that could be a match. Have they been compared?

    Unidentified White Female

    * Discovered on March 5, 1989 in Mercer County, New Jersey.
    * She was a victim of homicide.

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: 18 - 30 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'0"-5'9"; 100 - 140 lbs.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Dirty blonde to light brown hair; blue eyes. Mole on left chin; 1' to 1.5" scar over left eye. Ear lobes scarred from piercing. Blood type A. HIV positive.
    * Dentals: All teeth had been extracted except for 3rd molars which were incompletely erupted or impacted.
    * Other: Her name may be Susie.
    * DNA: Available.

    Case History
    The victim was murdered by Joel David Rifkin in March 1989. He picked her up in Manhattan’s East Village, NY at around 22:00. She was a drug addict and prostitute.
    Rifkin beat and strangled her and then dismembered her body. To foil identification, Rifkin severed her fingertips and pulled her teeth with pliers, then jammed her severed head into an old paint can.
    Rifkin drove the body parts across the state line to New Jersey, dropping the head and legs in the woods near Hopewell. Then he returned to Manhattan, pitching the arms and torso into the East River. On March 5, 1989, a member of the Hopewell Valley Golf Club in Hopewell Township, NJ found the can containing the victim's head near the 7th tee. Her legs were found in Pequonnock Creek, Jefferson Township, NJ on April 8, 1989. Match confirmed by DNA testing.
    The case remained unsolved until Rifkin confessed in 1993.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/288ufnj.html
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    It's possible that isn't even a last name.
    My daughter (teen) plays around with names all the time.

    You have -MAR - which could be initials
    what appears as a "t" could be a cross +
    Then you have NE with either a 2 or a Z

    I'm not sure the same person wrote "GEORGE"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roselvr View Post
    It's possible that isn't even a last name.
    My daughter (teen) plays around with names all the time.

    You have -MAR - which could be initials
    what appears as a "t" could be a cross +
    Then you have NE with either a 2 or a Z

    I'm not sure the same person wrote "GEORGE"
    What if it says

    GEORGE
    MARNE?

    Or George and then Marne at the bottom?

    What if what appears to be a "t" is a cross - to symbolize death?
    And the 2 is not a "z" but really a 2?

    Maybe George is the name of the guy, maybe her name is Marne and she put the cross and 2 to symbolize that she too is meeting her maker - possible this George in the photo is deceased too?

    My last thought is that the actual photo of her should be on her Doe page, next to the sketch.


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    I played around with the picture in Photoshop and have marked where I believe I see a faint " i " in Martinez.

    HTH

    Attachment 5662

    Maz

    Last edited by Mazama; 06-12-2010 at 02:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazama View Post
    I played around with the picture in Photoshop and have marked where I believe I see a faint " i " in Martinez.

    HTH

    Attachment 5662

    Maz

    Now it looks more like Marline. - looks like the "L" was turned into a cross and it does look like a Z now

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    Here is the link to the PDF where her photo is blown up as well as the table picture
    PDF with pics http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/vicap/jane...uerque_nm2.pdf

    I contacted Doe network and sent them the PDF as well as the 2 pictures.
    I also uploaded the pics to my online album if anyone wants them

    Jane with unidentified male

    Table photo


    Here is a direct link to the large sketch LINK
    Last edited by Roselvr; 10-17-2009 at 12:35 PM.

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    Anytime I see something written in capital letters, I cringe.
    It is almost impossible to make a handwriting match to block or all capital letters. So if they ever needed to make one for this case, it wouldn't be possible.
    Don't think it would ever be neccesary, but it still makes me cringe.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    I just took a closer look at the photo of the two women, and the woman on the right looks like she has either really straight hair or is wearing a headscarf (but it could be the photo quality).

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