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    October 29 preliminary hearing

    Since this is coming up in a few weeks, what are people's thoughts about what will be presented at this hearing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natal View Post
    Since this is coming up in a few weeks, what are people's thoughts about what will be presented at this hearing?
    the prosecution has to present evidence that supports its charges. highly doubtful jaycee is going to tesify here. but her police statements could be read into the record (probably will not, due to defense objections) or detectives will relay what happpened the day she was discovered. possibly they will need carl to testify as to the kidnapping (and any other witnesses that day, who were children and now are adults).
    it would just be much easier if the prosecution got grand jury indictments, and not have to rely so much on witnesses at this point.
    then again the defense just issued a discovery motion 2 days ago, maybe they are gonna ask for a delay in the pre lim hearing

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    LOL I usually find prelims pretty boring. There usually isn't anything new presented except for the plea, and usually at this stage they will plead not guilty.

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    Can P&NG enter a farce of a plea like not guilty by reason of insanity at this hearing? Just wondering how soon we'll know IF they plan on pulling the insanity card. Can they even enter an insanity plea for kidnapping, rape and child molestation charges? I really hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tizzle View Post
    Can P&NG enter a farce of a plea like not guilty by reason of insanity at this hearing? Just wondering how soon we'll know IF they plan on pulling the insanity card. Can they even enter an insanity plea for kidnapping, rape and child molestation charges? I really hope not.
    they both had psych evals i believe. the defenes might try to claim neither is competent to stand trial.
    judge will probably deny that.
    they could probably still be allowed to use the insanity plea anyways

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    Insanity is actually pretty hard to get in a court case. Can't remember the criteria, but they don't seem to fit it as to what I can remember. Insanity isn't what one would think, because they certainly seem insane to me,, but it's a legal term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinasK View Post
    Glad someone started this thread- we're gonna need it in a week and 1/2.
    well inasnity defene will at least leave no doubt that the defense isnt gonna claim he didnt kidnap her and she just showed up at his house one day.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbl8201 View Post
    well inasnity defene will at least leave no doubt that the defense isnt gonna claim he didnt kidnap her and she just showed up at his house one day.......

    Just thought I'd clarify this, I believe that legally, technically, Phillip did not kidnap Jaycee. The witness, Carl, will say that he saw Nancy kidnap Jaycee. I assume he was driving, if she did the grabbing, so he is certainly an accomplice. Legally, I think that's how that will go down. Phillip of course will be brought into the picture as either the brains behind the operation, or something like that. OR, NANCY WILL SAY SHE WAS FORCED OR COERCED SOMEHOW TO DO IT. Now, that's just my opinion, but that's kinda how I see it coming down. Absolutely no expert here. Who knows the law? Be interested in theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    Just thought I'd clarify this, I believe that legally, technically, Phillip did not kidnap Jaycee. The witness, Carl, will say that he saw Nancy kidnap Jaycee. I assume he was driving, if she did the grabbing, so he is certainly an accomplice. Legally, I think that's how that will go down. Phillip of course will be brought into the picture as either the brains behind the operation, or something like that. OR, NANCY WILL SAY SHE WAS FORCED OR COERCED SOMEHOW TO DO IT. Now, that's just my opinion, but that's kinda how I see it coming down. Absolutely no expert here. Who knows the law? Be interested in theories.
    I don't know about this, Billy. I know that witnesses saw that NG did the actual "grabbing" but PG was driving the car and drove away with a person that he knew was grabbed against her will, which makes him a little more than just an accomplice. It makes him an active participant in the kidnapping. If NG had acted alone and then took JC to PG, that might be different and make him only an accomplice. I find it hard to believe (even after this debacle) that LE would let someone that participated so actively in an abduction fall under the protection of the accomplice defense.


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    http://www.rgj.com/article/20091029/...0346/1321/NEWS

    It's only a PRE-preliminary hearing? More money out of the taxpayers pockets to ensure that these animals' rights are protected, RI-EFFIN-DICULOUS! Maybe I'm overreacting, but...a pre-preliminary hearing? Really? Throw these two and the rest like them on a garbage island in the Pacific and let em rot like the rest of the trash. EFF their rights! They didn't care about JC's rights or the rights of her family and girls. I believe that when you so obviously strip someone of their rights in the way that P&NG did, you should be stripped of yours. It's not like we don't know if they're guilty, it's obvious they are. How filth like them get to even have rights, let alone exercise those rights, is beyond me.

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    Anyone know if this is streaming anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tizzle View Post
    I don't know about this, Billy. I know that witnesses saw that NG did the actual "grabbing" but PG was driving the car and drove away with a person that he knew was grabbed against her will, which makes him a little more than just an accomplice. It makes him an active participant in the kidnapping. If NG had acted alone and then took JC to PG, that might be different and make him only an accomplice. I find it hard to believe (even after this debacle) that LE would let someone that participated so actively in an abduction fall under the protection of the accomplice defense.
    that's what I meant when I said "he was the brains behind it", like I said I don't know the legal terms for this stuff

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    http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/2291089.html

    Nothing really new hear but it was in the Sac Bee this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthroamy View Post
    Anyone know if this is streaming anywhere?

    Can't find it, thought it probably would be.

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