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    NY - Ellery, WhtFem 193UFNY, 33-37, GSW, off Route 17, Dec'83

    From The Doe Network (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/193ufny.html):


    Reconstruction of Victim by Wesley Neville

    Unidentified White Female
    • Located on December 6, 1983 in Ellery, Chautauqua County, New York.
    • Cause of death was homicide

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 33 - 37 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4"; 128 lbs.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown eyes; brown hair with some grey. She had a wart above the left eye and a 15mm raised mole behind the left ear. Scar on throat. She had shoe size 5-6 and A+ blood type. According to an anthropologist she had at least one child 15 years prior to her death.
    • Dentals: She had bridge work on the right side of her mouth which appeared to be expensive European dental work. The gold appeared to be of European origin.
    • Clothing: She was wearing a white V- neck camisole (inexpensive)that was found to have been made in Carpi, Italy and non exportable, a green, brown, red checked trench coat (expensive), reversible to olive drab wool, blue gray wool crew neck pullover, plaid wool skirt (handmade) various shades of brown blue and red. The victim had no shoes or any other personal property on her. She was wearing no jewelry or evidence of jewelry. The only thing she had was a hand written note from the Blue Boy Motor Lodge in Vancouver, British Columbia. There are abbreviations and numbers on the note but the investigators have been unable to determine what they mean.
    • Other: The victim had an IUD which was foreign made (Finland, Belgium and Holland), used in Canada but not distributed in the USA.


    Hand Written Note

    Case History
    The victim was discovered in a ditch along Route 17, Southern Tier Expressway, eastbound lane, in the Town of Ellery.
    The partially clad body was found by utility company employees at approximately 8:30am. The victim had been shot once in the back, twice in the chest, and once inside the mouth.
    Chautauqua County is located in the Western most part of New York State between Buffalo, N.Y. and Erie, Pa.
    It is believed the victim is from Canada or some European Country. Computer checks in the United States, Canada, and Interpol have been unsuccessful in locating any missing persons that fit the victims description. Attempts to identify the victim through fingerprints have also been unsuccessful.


    The cases with mysterious notes and codes always catch my attention...I just believe that somehow the information there in front of us is going to jump out and at someone and there will be one of those "Eureka!" moments.

    When first looking at those numbers the first thought that came to mind was area codes (five digit numbers). The first set is 24233 or 35; the second is 68301 or 7 (the '7' with the bar through it being the typical style used in Germany, Austria, and some other countries); and 74241. I can't make out the words, other than possibly the intitals 'Krb' or 'Krs' or even 'Krh'. I started running the numbers, and discovered that 24235, 68301/07, and 74241 are all area codes in Germany. In fact, they represent the towns of Laboe/Kiev to the far north; Mannheim; and Langenbrettach (a suburb of Heilbronn). If a person were to arrive in the port area of Laboe/Kiev, and were headed south to the smaller town of Langenbrettach, the route would most likely travel through the city of Mannheim.
    The initials.. I know that Germans use abbreviations a lot, just as we do in the US (for instance, almost all large companies carry either a 'GmbH' or 'AG' attached to their company names to denote whether the company is publicly traded or privately held). I ran the different combinations as best I could, and found two things. 'Krb' is the abbreviation for a major rail line in Austria. its interesting to note that, on one site I looked for postal codes in Austria, "7421', '2423' and '6830' (the first four digits of the five-digit numbers listed) are all codes for Austrian towns.
    'Krs'... The only thing I could find is that this is the code for the airport in Kristiansand, Norway. I didnt think that could have any relevance at all, until I checked into connections between Norway and Germany. I found that there are really only two ferries that operate between the two countries...One starting in the Oslo, the other in Kristiansand. Both arrive in Germany in Kiev.

    Its fairly evident from the Doe Network entry that the woman was of European origin, I tried findiing missing persons sites with information from Austria, but couldnt find much of anything, I did find a few from Germany, but couldnt find anything relevant (the earliest missing persons cases listed being from 1996).

    I believe the info is there to find. Its just a case of the right person seeing it and having that "Eureka!" moment.

    *the reconstruction and note pics wouldnt copy over. just follow the link*
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 04-07-2013 at 03:30 AM.

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    Hi Shadowangel-

    I have a morgue photo for this lady. I usually post cases with morgue photos over in the UID section, I don't know if you are interested in it or if you want to start a thread over there for her. I try to warn people in the title, her pic isn't too bad (at least for me) but it might be more disturbing than other morgue photos I've seen.

    Her reconstruction is fairly accurate.

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    I don't think that the woman is from Europe. It is of course possible, but I think it is more probable that she was from Canada. Reasons for that are the location. Ellery, NY is close to the Canadian border. The woman had a kind of IUD that was used in Canada. The memo pad with the numbers and abbreviations on it was from a hotel in Vancouver, British Columbia. Perhaps she lived in an European country for a couple of years to work there and then returned to Canada. That would explain the European dental work.

    It is true that nowadays German area codes have five digits, but just since July 1, 1993. From 1961 until 1993, the area codes in Germany had four digits. As a result these three numbers can't be German area codes. Today they are, but not back in 1983.

    I tried to decipher the abbreviations and numbers:

    Sar.k.R.h. 24233
    K.R.Ba 68307
    Carg. 74211

    I have no idea what that could mean. Perhaps the last letters are an abbreviation for Calgary?
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    I searched the old google news archives by googling the hotel and there was a story that said the #'s where extentions at JFK airport??? It's a pay per view article so I could only see part of the story.
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    Were those morgue photos ever posted anywhere?

    I have another person I want to compare, but the sketch on doenetwork isn't much help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    Were those morgue photos ever posted anywhere?

    I have another person I want to compare, but the sketch on doenetwork isn't much help.

    Here is her morgue photo:

    http://img516.imageshack.us/i/193ufny4fc.jpg/
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    Thanks. I'm still not sure. The noses look similar to me.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...nn_angela.html

    Angela Hartmann, missing August 23, 1983 from Ottowa, had been in Calgary -- not quite BC, but a side trip is feasible.

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    NY-Unidentified Female, found in Ellery - Dec. 1983

    This case has always bothered me for some reason. Maybe it's the way she was killed, which seems very unusual, not to mention cruel.

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/193ufny.html


    Unidentified White Female

    • Located on December 6, 1983 in Ellery, Chautauqua County, New York
    • Cause of death was homicide.


    Vital Statistics
    • Estimated age: 33 - 37 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4"; 128 lbs.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown eyes; brown hair with some grey. She had a wart above the left eye and a 15mm raised mole behind the left ear. Scar on throat. She had shoe size 5-6 and A+ blood type. According to an anthropologist, she had at least one child 15 years prior to her death.
    • Dentals: She had bridge work on the right side of her mouth which appeared to be expensive European dental work. The gold appeared to be of European origin.
    • Clothing: She was wearing a white V-neck camisole (inexpensive) that was found to have been made in Carpi, Italy and non-exportable, a green, brown, red checked trench coat (expensive), reversible to olive drab wool, blue gray wool crew neck pullover, plaid wool skirt (handmade) various shades of brown blue and red. The victim had no shoes or any other personal property on her. She was wearing no jewelry or evidence of jewelry. The only thing she had was a hand written note from the Blue Boy Motor Lodge in Vancouver, British Columbia. There are abbreviations and numbers on the note but the investigators have been unable to determine what they mean.
    • Other: The victim had an IUD which was foreign made (Finland, Belgium and Holland), used in Canada but not distributed in the USA.
    Case History
    The victim was discovered in a ditch along route 17, Southern Tier Expressway, eastbound lane, in the Town of Ellery. The partially clad body was found by utility company employees at approximately 08:30. The victim had been shot once in the back, twice in the chest, and once inside the mouth. Chautauqua County is located in the Western most part of New York State between Buffalo, N.Y. and Erie, Pa. It is believed the ictim is from Canada or some European country. Computer checks in the United States, Canada, and Interpol have been unsuccessful in locating any missing persons that fit the victim's description. Attempts to identify the victim through fingerprints have also been unsuccessful.

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    I don't have time but if someone wants to, I think checking the BC missing persons website would be a good idea. Maybe she was a new immigrant, hence all of the European clothing and dental work.

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    Would you like her morgue photo? Her reconstruction is fairly accurate.

    I try to warn people in the thread title if there's a morgue photo, but since I can't, I figured I would ask before I post it.

    Just let me know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufamonbobball View Post
    Would you like her morgue photo? Her reconstruction is fairly accurate.

    I try to warn people in the thread title if there's a morgue photo, but since I can't, I figured I would ask before I post it.

    Just let me know!
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    Please post the morgue photo. I always like to compare the post-mortem photos with the reconstructions.

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    Last edited by KateB; 04-26-2015 at 09:41 AM. Reason: repair url tag.
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    She reminds me very much of one of my grade-school teachers. So sad. I hope you find out who she is.

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    The fact that she got shot in the mouth bothers me. I'm wondering if the killer did this deliberately, as if maybe she was killed for ratting on someone or something and he wanted to "silence" her or if one of the bullets just happened to hit her in the mouth when she was facing her killer.
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    I looked through the Canada section on doenetwork, but could't find a possible match. Are there any other databases, except the doenetwork, that features missing persons cases in Canada?
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