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    MO - Jamie, 30, & Derrick Orman, 15, murdered, Cape Girardeau, 27 Oct 2009

    http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11389377

    CAPE GIRARDEAU, MO (KFVS) - Police released the names of the mother and son killed early Tuesday morning.

    Jamie Orman, 30, and 15-year-old Derrick Orman were found shot to death at 1224 North Missouri Avenue, according to the Cape Girardeau/Bollinger County Major Case Squad. The house is near Southeast Missouri State University.

    Family members of Jamie Orman say she was several months pregnant.

    Police say Orman's 14-year-old son called 911 a little after 5 a.m. The 14 year old and a nine-year-old boy, both sons of the woman, were in the home at the time of the shooting.

    Sgt. Jason Selzer with the Cape Girardeau Police Department says the two younger boys have been questioned and they didn't see anything even though they were inside the home.

    Selzer also says even though someone broke into the home, no one needs to worry about someone running around breaking into homes.

    Police say there is evidence of forced entry to a door. Selzer says the suspect most likely targeted at least the female victim.

    However, neighbors say they never heard any gunshots.

    Authorities have removed the bodies from the home. The Cape Girardeau County Coroner tells Heartland News autopsies will be performed Tuesday afternoon.

    The Major Case Squad has been activated. Police won't say if they've found a weapon, but Selzer says 30 officers are working on this case and only this case.

    Police have no suspects or people of interest at this time.

    This Cape Girardeau crime strikes a big blow to the Perry County school district.

    Superintendent Kevin Dunn tells Heartland News Derrick Orman was a sophomore at Perryville High School. His two younger brothers also attend school in Perryville.

    Dunn says as a school family, they're trying to do everything they can to meet the needs of their students.

    Counselors spent time Tuesday at both the high school and middle school and Dunn says they'll be back on campus Wednesday.

    Police are calling this a double homicide. However, given the fact that Jamie Orman was pregnant According to Missouri state case law from State of MO v Holcomb, decided on September 9, 1997: "The fact that a mother of a pre-born child may have been granted certain legal rights to terminate the pregnancy does not preclude the prosecution of a third party for murder in the case of a killing of a child not consented to by the mother; thus person who forcibly aborts a fetus against the will of the woman by physically restraining or assaulting the woman may be prosecuted for the murder of the unborn child."
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    the loss of one creature makes a void in any heart,
    so wide and deep that nothing but the width and depth
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    Selzer also says even though someone broke into the home, no one needs to worry about someone running around breaking into homes.

    Police say there is evidence of forced entry to a door. Selzer says the suspect most likely targeted at least the female victim.



    These kind of statements always lead me to believe LE already has a suspect in mind.
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    the loss of one creature makes a void in any heart,
    so wide and deep that nothing but the width and depth
    of eternity can fill it up?"
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    Updated at 4:25Pm from SE Missourian

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    Missouri Court Records

    Public records show that Jamie Orman finalized a divorce in October of 2008. She still has some sort of small claims issue pending with her ex-husband.

    https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/nameSearch.do
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    According to the second link, she lived there with her boyfriend who was still involved with getting a divorce from his wife. Since the filing for divorce was done in 2008 it sounds like things may have turned bitter. It's awful that a pregnant woman and her son were gunned down like this and I hope I'm wrong about what I'm starting to think.

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    From the article Investigators believe both Jamie Orman and Derrick Orman were shot in their beds, Selzer said. "The 15-year-old was able to move from the point where he was shot to another area of the house where his brothers were before he passed away," he said.

    http://www.semissourian.com/story/1582065.html


    Jamie's Myspace lists her mood as "Blessed". She and her son both logged in on 10-27-09, so it must have been after midnight, but before they were murdered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lajr56 View Post
    Selzer also says even though someone broke into the home, no one needs to worry about someone running around breaking into homes.

    Police say there is evidence of forced entry to a door. Selzer says the suspect most likely targeted at least the female victim.



    These kind of statements always lead me to believe LE already has a suspect in mind.
    Yes, but they should at least say 'a person(s) of interest'. If not how do you not worry about a break in where people were shot and suspect(s) on the loose?
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    Two suspects have been arrested

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    The surviving children have been released to their father and the live-in boyfriend was working an overnight shift. Sounds like they have been cleared as suspects.

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    In the comments on the link posted. Of course, as w/ any comments it should be taken w/ a grain of salt but it certainly seems feasible.

    http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11389377
    It is a very sad and tragic story for all the families involved and the children left behind. It has not hit the news yet, but Michelle Lawrence was involved. Her live-in boyfriend, Ryan, confessed to doing the killings and has been charged with three counts of capital murder and they are seeking the death penalty. Michelle provided the alibi for her boyfriend and has also been charged. It was a very bitter divorce, but to kill over? Good Lord, what has this world come to? And for Michelle's boyfriend Ryan to agree to do it is just simply beyond my comprehension. He had no connection per se to the whole situation and was just Michelle's boyfriend. Perhaps now some closure will begin. I know Michelle's little boy and he plays with my sons and my heart goes out to him as well. My prayer's go out to all the families affected by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaia227 View Post
    In the comments on the link posted. Of course, as w/ any comments it should be taken w/ a grain of salt but it certainly seems feasible.

    http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11389377
    It is a very sad and tragic story for all the families involved and the children left behind. It has not hit the news yet, but Michelle Lawrence was involved. Her live-in boyfriend, Ryan, confessed to doing the killings and has been charged with three counts of capital murder and they are seeking the death penalty. Michelle provided the alibi for her boyfriend and has also been charged. It was a very bitter divorce, but to kill over? Good Lord, what has this world come to? And for Michelle's boyfriend Ryan to agree to do it is just simply beyond my comprehension. He had no connection per se to the whole situation and was just Michelle's boyfriend. Perhaps now some closure will begin. I know Michelle's little boy and he plays with my sons and my heart goes out to him as well. My prayer's go out to all the families affected by this.
    Ahh...that is where my thoughts were going as well. I bet this comment if very close to the truth. This comment is also very sad

    Derrick was my boy friend i just cant believe that somebody would do that to him!!! he was just so laid back and never had a problem with anybody! god i just want him back!!! ugh!! why could it happen to derrick gosh!!!
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    If it's true, I imagine they'll be releasing the suspects' names soon. What I don't understand, not that murder makes any sense, is why kill the boy? He wasn't involved with the divorce.
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    Very sad pictures. #5 obviously shows a pregnant woman, IMO.

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    She was due in Nov/Dec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gxm View Post
    If it's true, I imagine they'll be releasing the suspects' names soon. What I don't understand, not that murder makes any sense, is why kill the boy? He wasn't involved with the divorce.
    Maybe he was awake, or woke up and became a witness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gxm View Post
    If it's true, I imagine they'll be releasing the suspects' names soon. What I don't understand, not that murder makes any sense, is why kill the boy? He wasn't involved with the divorce.

    My first inclination is the same as lajr's - perhaps he was a witness, could identify the killer therefore he was killed too.
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