10-31-2009, 04:46 PM #1Registered User
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IN - Greenwood, Male Skeletal UP1828, 14-30, sternum anomaly, Apr'93
I found this possible match on Doe Network but wanted to run it past you all before I considered submitting it. I tend to miss important details/info?
The unidentified woman was found in a farmers field about 50 yards off I65 in April 93. Approximately 1.5 years prior the farmers children had found a few human bones but their father thought they were from an animal. Once the second discovery was made the police did a search and found 70% of human skeleton. There is not a lot of info on the UID woman though ie no reconstruction or anything, no personal effects or clothing were found either.
Here are the links
Hot Case 1791
Unidentified White Female The victim was discovered on April 17, 1993 in Greenwood, Johnson County, Indiana
Estimated Date of Death: 1 1/2-3 Years
Cause of Death: Foul play suspected
State of Remains: Partial Skeleton - 70% recovered at the scene.
Estimated age: 18-30 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 4'10"-5'3".
Distinguishing Characteristics: Detectives found the sternum with two holes rather than the more common single hole. The trait is shared by only 5 percent of the population.
and the potential match-
Julie Dalton Johnson
Missing since March 1, 1991 from Kokomo, Howard County Indiana
Date of Birth: November 11, 1961
Age at Time of Disappearance: 29 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3; 118 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: Dark brown hair; brown eyes.
Both have dental records listed on their file so perhaps this has already been ruled out? Julie Johnson lived about 1.5 hours from Greenwood IN where the unidentified woman was found.
Let me know what you think about this, or any other possible matches?
Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-26-2013 at 07:47 PM. Reason: remains have been determined male, not female as originally believed.
10-31-2009, 06:18 PM #2
This certainly could be a possible match.
If both have dental records, it should not be too hard for them to match them up.
You could also email the NaMus case manager as well as the Howard County Sheriff's Dept.
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10-31-2009, 07:18 PM #3
I think it's worth an email.The more I get to know some people, the more I like my cats!
11-25-2009, 02:29 AM #4
11-25-2009, 10:52 AM #5
Worth an email!
12-08-2009, 02:36 PM #6
Has anyone called in this potential match? If not, I will.
12-09-2009, 11:58 PM #7
I just submitted the following letter to the case manager.
I am a member of the Websleuths online crime sleuthing community. Recently, a member commented on the possible match of unidentified skeletal remains found on 17-Apr-93 to Julie Dalton Johnson, a woman from the Kokomo, IN area who has been missing since 01-Mar-1991. There was much discussion on the Websleuths website that this possible connection should be submitted, but I have no indication that it has been submitted.
Information on Unidentified Decedent (UID):
Information on Julie Dalton Johnson
Question: Has Ms. Dalton-Johnson ever been looked at as a possible match to this UID?
If not, I ask that you look into this for the following reasons:
• Ms. Dalton Johnson disappeared 25 months prior to the date that the remains were recovered by the Greenwood authorities. This is entirely consistent with the estimated time of death as determined by the Johnson County Coroner’s Office.
• The route from Kokomo (i.e., the area in which Ms. Dalton-Johnson was last seen) to Greenwood is approximately 75 miles, connected almost entirely by a single highway (i.e., state hwy 31)
• Ms. Dalton- Johnson’s age, height, and gender are consistent with the remains found.
• The circumstances of Ms. Dalton-Johnson’s disappearance suggest that she may have been a victim of foul-play (i.e., consistent with the presumed manner of death of the UID).
12-10-2009, 02:52 AM #8
I got a reply already from the case manager.
We have dna does the case in kokomo have any? I will send this to the detective working the cold case.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
It's great to get such a prompt reply.
Last edited by CarlK90245; 12-10-2009 at 02:55 AM.
12-10-2009, 03:45 AM #9Registered User
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Hope this comes to somthing!
12-10-2009, 10:55 AM #10Registered User
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"Jane Doe" of this case listed on the Charley Network?
Last edited by PFF; 12-10-2009 at 10:57 AM.
12-10-2009, 01:10 PM #11
12-10-2009, 01:31 PM #12
Additional Info re Julie Dalton Johnson:
While the Roe case is an active homicide investigation, deputies continue to work the disappearance of Julie Johnson as a missing person case.
Johnson, 29, a mother of four, was reported missing by her husband on March 1, 1991. The couple was going through a divorce at the time and her car was found abandoned on Ind. 22, east of Kokomo.
Every year a memorial service for Johnson is conducted at the Crisis Center Inc., her former place of employment.
Rogers said any time a female body is found in the country that meets certain criteria like gender, age and size, the department checks to determine if it is Johnson.
“We respond immediately,” he said. “There have been no close matches.”
Rogers said the department has not been in contact with Johnson’s husband or four children about the missing woman.
“We have no indication that she is alive,” he continued, “but there is no proof that she is dead. People will call us and tell us that a Julie Johnson was listed somewhere as getting a divorce or has been arrested.”
Johnson’s husband, Curt, was considered a person of interest and interviewed extensively when she disappeared, Rogers said.
“If the investigation was reopened, he would still be a person of interest,” he said. “We are operating under the assumption there is evidence we haven’t found yet. We would love to hear from someone with information on this case.”
Hargrove said the Johnson investigation is considered one of a missing person and not a homicide.
The crisis center where Johnson was employed conducts a memorial service every March 1. The board room at the Crisis Center was recently named after Johnson and a memorial stone and tree decorate the front yard of the facility.
“I remember she was a bright young lady,” Richard Chamness, executive director of the Crisis Center said. “She did everything she was asked to do in her job.
“I think they will solve the case someday,” Chamness said. “We do the memorial service to keep the case and her memory alive. We’re just trying to keep the investigation on-going.”
Interesting that she worked at Crisis Center, Inc. (i.e., an organization that provides crisis intervention and advocacy for domestic violence victims). I wonder if there is some connection between her disappearance and her occupation. For example, maybe someone did not appreciate her intervention in their domestic issues.
Last edited by CarlK90245; 12-10-2009 at 01:45 PM.
12-14-2009, 12:38 AM #13
Maybe you could let the detectives on the Johnson case know that the UID has a "sternum with two holes rather than the more common single hole. The trait is shared by only 5 percent of the population."? If Julie Johnson left behind medical records, this may be a way to confirm/rule her out if they don't have her dna?
12-21-2009, 02:35 PM #14
I just spoke with Sgt Eirc Klinkowski of the Greenwood, PD about this submission. He seemed quite enthusiastic about this possible match. He spoke very positively that the age fits well, and the timeframe between MP disappearance and UID est. date of death is very consistent. He indicated that in addition to the bullet points that I had outlined in my e-mail to him, there were other factors (which he didn't specify) that make this a strong possible match.
He said that he doesn't think that this possible match has been pursued yet (although he doesn't have a list of any exclusions). They have a DNA sample on this UID, but they have not yet completed all of the work to construct the DNA profile. He also said that the skeleton was significantly damaged from two to three seasons of plowing the field in which the UID was found. They only have eight of her teeth, and parts of the mandible are still missing, so it will be quite difficult to do a dental comparison.
He also mentioned the situation about the holes in the sternum. He says that this is a genetic condition that is passed from one generation to another, and there is a strong possibility that the condition might also be present in siblings or other relatives. This condition significantly weakens the sternum, and since the sternum protects the heart from any objects that strike the chest, Anyone with this condition should be made aware of it so that they are careful when engaging in activities that might risk physical damage to their sternum or injury to the heart. For example, a person performing acupuncture therapy should be aware that the needle could easily penetrate the sternum and and pass through to the heart.
He spoke a little about the CODIS system, and stated his opinion that CODIS is not as foolproof as many think it is. He said that the CODIS database consists of multiple systems (e.g., a prison system, a sex offender system, a missing persons system, et. al.), and they have had some complications merging the different systems. He said that there is not so much of a problem of "false positives" or "false negatives" per se, but more that the different component systems are indexed differently. He says that there is a training course for the use of the system, and someone who is not properly trained may run the submissions incorrectly.
Overall, his attitude was encouragingly enthusiastic and positive. He is going forward in pursuing this possible with Kokomo authorities, and he will keep me posted as to the results.
Last edited by CarlK90245; 12-21-2009 at 05:26 PM.
03-26-2010, 01:09 PM #15
For several months, I have been trying to get ahold of Detective Klinkowski for an update on my submission of Julie Dalton Johnson as a possible on this case. He never answers his telephone, and I have left both e-mail and telephone messages, and receive no response. I also attempted to leave messages with the Kokomo LE and they have not returned my messages either.
I have not forgotten this case though, and will continue to try to get an update on this submission.
Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-26-2010 at 01:11 PM.
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