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  • He was tired of running and wanted to get caught

    14 9.59%
  • He saw the opportunity for his 15 min of fame

    7 4.79%
  • He thought LE would believe his lies that she was his niece

    93 63.70%
  • Other ideas

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    Question Poll: Why did Garrido bring Jaycee to the PO office?

    Why do you think Garrido brought Jaycee with him and Nancy and the girls to the PO's office? Feel free to add your own ideas. It's about time we had this poll. Meant to add write-in vote, not sure how to change.
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    I would guess he got tired nobody wanted to hear his "heart warming" story of how good he was. So he brought JC and the girls with him to tell it.
    Notice JC was saying Garrido was a good man and he was good to her kids. He's told the reporter something about all of us being amazed at this "heart warming" story, so it looks to me he fully expected JC to be telling it.
    Last edited by jjenny; 11-05-2009 at 02:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    I would guess he got tired nobody wanted to hear his "heart warming" story of how good he was. So he brought JC and the girls with him to tell it.
    Notice JC was saying Garrido was a good man and he was good to her kids. He's told the reporter something about all of us being amazed at this "heart warming" story, so it looks to me he fully expected JC to be telling it.
    luckily that plan fell apart
    im voting for that too

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    I think he was tired of hiding, and saw this as a chance to make the situation legit. If he had got them to buy his story, he wouldn't have to keep them concealed.

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    I think pg thought he was above the law. He had been in a lot of near misses and had some close calls, but he always came out of the situations with nothing more than a reprimand.

    I think he felt he would go into the parole office and share how he was "spreading the love" to this poor abused Mother who was in hiding from her abusive husband..I think he thought it would be his "ace in the hole" to finally absolve him from any further parole requirements.

    The fact that he was trusted with Jaycees children and she was stating he was a "changed man" is a whole heck of a lot more than he had going for him in prison. Look where that got him.

    I just thank God he was one crayon away from a box and couldn't give straight answers or keep his story straight!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnieRN View Post
    I think pg thought he was above the law. He had been in a lot of near misses and had some close calls, but he always came out of the situations with nothing more than a reprimand.

    I think he felt he would go into the parole office and share how he was "spreading the love" to this poor abused Mother who was in hiding from her abusive husband..I think he thought it would be his "ace in the hole" to finally absolve him from any further parole requirements.

    The fact that he was trusted with Jaycees children and she was stating he was a "changed man" is a whole heck of a lot more than he had going for him in prison. Look where that got him.

    I just thank God he was one crayon away from a box and couldn't give straight answers or keep his story straight!!
    thank god jaycee isnt a convincing liar either

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    I would guess he got tired nobody wanted to hear his "heart warming" story of how good he was. So he brought JC and the girls with him to tell it.
    Notice JC was saying Garrido was a good man and he was good to her kids. He's told the reporter something about all of us being amazed at this "heart warming" story, so it looks to me he fully expected JC to be telling it.
    Yes, and when he wrote his letter from prison he said Jaycee's right to free speech was violated. I'm sure he thought she was being silenced. He expected her to be in the media preaching the "heart warming story" about this "good man" who'd turned his life around. I think he was probably shocked to find she wasn't and doesn't want to. The wool fell from Jaycee's eyes pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedropete View Post
    Yes, and when he wrote his letter from prison he said Jaycee's right to free speech was violated. I'm sure he thought she was being silenced. He expected her to be in the media preaching the "heart warming story" about this "good man" who'd turned his life around. I think he was probably shocked to find she wasn't and doesn't want to. The wool fell from Jaycee's eyes pretty quickly.
    sure seems like once they told her he wasnt a threat to her anymore she had the weight lifted off her shoulders and could finally tell the truth after holding it in for so long

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedropete View Post
    Yes, and when he wrote his letter from prison he said Jaycee's right to free speech was violated. I'm sure he thought she was being silenced. He expected her to be in the media preaching the "heart warming story" about this "good man" who'd turned his life around. I think he was probably shocked to find she wasn't and doesn't want to. The wool fell from Jaycee's eyes pretty quickly.

    She did stand up for him at the begining.
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    I still don't believe Garrdio wanted to get caught. I think there is some reason for him taking everyone with him to the Parole office and that he coached everyone beforehand, since I don't think Jaycee came up with the 'abused wife from MN' and 'wanting a lawyer' on the spur of the moment. Maybe the adults had talked about this before the Berkeley incident though. I believe that Garrido could have thought he was blending back into society on the one hand and becoming a respectable citizen (as far as others knew). Yes, delusional, but he thought no one knew much other than the 1976 incident.

    Garrido was amazingly able to do what he wanted since 1988 or at least since 1993 (and, who knows how much he has done that he was never caught at, even pre 1976). A generation had now passed though since he kidnapped Jaycee and he thought no one would really question an adult woman claiming to be the mother of two children... Jaycee even laughed and said how others had commented on how young she looked - sounds like she had given this response before. I think Garrido thought she was completely programmed and, in fact, it was Garrido who gave himself up, not Jaycee or Nancy.

    Natal mentioned in another thread that he might have panicked when they were separated at the parole office. Was it a mixture of this panic and his delusional thinking that if Jaycee stood up for him (and all the others), people would believe he had changed his life? I believe it was primarily Garrido's default mechanism - saving his behind by confessing because he knew he was trapped (especially if one of the women broke down and he was still lying - no, better to confess and he maintains control of the situation by doing so). Remember the religion thing seemed to work for him before when he was in prison and now he had evidence to put forward (in his mind) that he was being a spiritual leader, a member of the community, and, maybe, he thought, a good father. If nothing else, Jaycee would stand up and say he hadn't done anything to her for years and he was a good parent (which she did), that he had no arrests (which he didn't), etc. Now we know Garrido had all kinds of infractions, but was not even hampered by a GPS device. He was welcomed to present at a council meeting. Others even signed statements about his black box. He had a business.

    Yeah, he could have short circuited a bit being confronted, but I still see long range planning on his part and no strong evidence he was trying to turn himself in, only that in the back of his mind if he got caught, everyone would HAVE to believed his story.

    The question still remains though (in my theory) - why did he take them all with him. I think he simply could have thought it was support for himself and they would let him go quickly. He could have thought there would remain questions about who was with him in Berkeley if he didn't do that and if Nancy was there supporting the whole story, who would think it was a lie? No one really knew Nancy was his co-conspirator in anything. Maybe he thought he'd lose control if he went by himself and anyone had a chance to question others, esp if he was detained, or do a thorough search on the house while he wasn't there. It also makes me wonder, looking back, if Cheyvonne and others did think Jaycee was fine since this is what they saw - they didn't the rest of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post
    I still don't believe Garrdio wanted to get caught. I think there is some reason for him taking everyone with him to the Parole office and that he coached everyone beforehand, since I don't think Jaycee came up with the 'abused wife from MN' and 'wanting a lawyer' on the spur of the moment. Maybe the adults had talked about this before the Berkeley incident though. I believe that Garrido could have thought he was blending back into society on the one hand and becoming a respectable citizen (as far as others knew). Yes, delusional, but he thought no one knew much other than the 1976 incident.

    Garrido was amazingly able to do what he wanted since 1988 or at least since 1993 (and, who knows how much he has done that he was never caught at, even pre 1976). A generation had now passed though since he kidnapped Jaycee and he thought no one would really question an adult woman claiming to be the mother of two children... Jaycee even laughed and said how others had commented on how young she looked - sounds like she had given this response before. I think Garrido thought she was completely programmed and, in fact, it was Garrido who gave himself up, not Jaycee or Nancy.

    Natal mentioned in another thread that he might have panicked when they were separated at the parole office. Was it a mixture of this panic and his delusional thinking that if Jaycee stood up for him (and all the others), people would believe he had changed his life? I believe it was primarily Garrido's default mechanism - saving his behind by confessing because he knew he was trapped (especially if one of the women broke down and he was still lying - no, better to confess and he maintains control of the situation by doing so). Remember the religion thing seemed to work for him before when he was in prison and now he had evidence to put forward (in his mind) that he was being a spiritual leader, a member of the community, and, maybe, he thought, a good father. If nothing else, Jaycee would stand up and say he hadn't done anything to her for years and he was a good parent (which she did), that he had no arrests (which he didn't), etc. Now we know Garrido had all kinds of infractions, but was not even hampered by a GPS device. He was welcomed to present at a council meeting. Others even signed statements about his black box. He had a business.

    Yeah, he could have short circuited a bit being confronted, but I still see long range planning on his part and no strong evidence he was trying to turn himself in, only that in the back of his mind if he got caught, everyone would HAVE to believed his story.

    The question still remains though (in my theory) - why did he take them all with him. I think he simply could have thought it was support for himself and they would let him go quickly. He could have thought there would remain questions about who was with him in Berkeley if he didn't do that and if Nancy was there supporting the whole story, who would think it was a lie? No one really knew Nancy was his co-conspirator in anything. Maybe he thought he'd lose control if he went by himself and anyone had a chance to question others, esp if he was detained, or do a thorough search on the house while he wasn't there. It also makes me wonder, looking back, if Cheyvonne and others did think Jaycee was fine since this is what they saw - they didn't the rest of it?
    while she did say he didnt touch her in years, im trying hard to think how he could possibly think she wasnt going to tell the police everything he did to here before that.

    once she learned that he had confessed to kidnapping her, the veil of protecing him came crashing down. could he possibly think she was going to deny that he raped her for years or that the girls were the product of that? does he think that now and thats why he sent that bizarre letter thru the reporter? he seriously underestimated jaycee and is still doing so.

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    What really stands out to me is the differing stories given during questioning.

    Garrido has spent his life, certainly the last 18 years, covering his tracks, making up answers and explanations and fooling people. I find it very hard to believe that he would march the entire brood into the PO's office without having a specific script in place. I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have been thorough in his coaching of the women and what they should say. I find it hard to believe that after 18 years of controlling her every move, PG just let JC loose at the PO office to say whatever she wanted.

    I think PG knew the script and didn't use it. When the PO came to question PG, the PO asked about the relationship of the 3 girls, PG thought about it for a moment and then gave an explanation that was entirely different from JC's. To me, it seems like he wanted to get caught but didn't want the women to know what he was up to. It's like his pause was the big "OK, here goes nothin" moment. They had one script, he decided on another. I find it hard to believe that he easily managed to remain undetected for over 18 years but failed to get everyone on the same page about what their story would be. His life has been nothing but cover up after cover up, he's had so much practice, I just don't think he would have overlooked this one detail.

    I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, but I really think he wanted to get caught. I'm just not clear on whether it was a conscious decision on his part or an action of his sub-conscience. Either way, I don't think it was a fumble by PG, I think it was part of his crazy "plan".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tizzle View Post
    What really stands out to me is the differing stories given during questioning.

    Garrido has spent his life, certainly the last 18 years, covering his tracks, making up answers and explanations and fooling people. I find it very hard to believe that he would march the entire brood into the PO's office without having a specific script in place. I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have been thorough in his coaching of the women and what they should say. I find it hard to believe that after 18 years of controlling her every move, PG just let JC loose at the PO office to say whatever she wanted.

    I think PG knew the script and didn't use it. When the PO came to question PG, the PO asked about the relationship of the 3 girls, PG thought about it for a moment and then gave an explanation that was entirely different from JC's. To me, it seems like he wanted to get caught but didn't want the women to know what he was up to. It's like his pause was the big "OK, here goes nothin" moment. They had one script, he decided on another. I find it hard to believe that he easily managed to remain undetected for over 18 years but failed to get everyone on the same page about what their story would be. His life has been nothing but cover up after cover up, he's had so much practice, I just don't think he wouldn't have overlooked this one detail.

    I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, but I really think he wanted to get caught. I'm just not clear on whether it was a conscious decision on his part or an action of his sub-conscience. Either way, I don't think it was a fumble by PG, I think it was part of his crazy "plan".
    Maybe he did want to get caught so she could tell the heart warming story.
    Nobody was paying attentions to his "manifestos" before. Maybe he expected that after she told that "heart warming" story, and said she wanted to remain with him, we all say "how wonderful" and let them go on their merry way? He is a "changed" man, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    Maybe he did want to get caught so she could tell the heart warming story.
    Nobody was paying attentions to his "manifestos" before. Maybe he expected that after she told that "heart warming" story, and said she wanted to remain with him, we all say "how wonderful" and let them go on their merry way? He is a "changed" man, after all.

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    I havent read what really happened at the PO office, but my quess is that he took everyone with him, he really had to cause of the berkley officers raised the red flag and he had to explain about the kids one way or the other. He had a script but when JC and the girls wouldnt answer questions they seperated them and got JC to admit the truth, after all she wasnt a liar like him. Then when confronted he admitted it ( probably not real good thinking on his feet)
    and tryed to reason his way out of it. He had a plan but he didnt expect to have the complication of JC being questioned alone.

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