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    Quote Originally Posted by MyTinkieGirl View Post
    Ummmmm....where do they say they only tested 11??

    If you go down further to look...there is a list of 13 drugs tested for....as it reads...it says the hair was positive for "ketamine" and "benzodiazepines"....Other 11 neg results....

    Currently trying to copy/paste exact words...not workin...BUT.....go back to pg 13 in this doc....go one more page....pg 14.....the list of items tested are listed...13 of them.....back up to pg 13....11 neg.....ketamine and benzo's found in hair mass.

    The results are odd, because, page 14 with the list of items tested is from 3/9/09...page 13 has the results and dated 3/13/09.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/download...6/21540377.pdf
    The list starts with the following:
    Flunitrazepam
    Flunitrazepam-d7
    Diazepam
    Diazepam-d5

    so, I thought those might just count as variants of the same drug not completely seperate drugs tested. If you count Flunitrazepam and Flunitrazepam-d7 as one drug and Diazepam and Diazepam-d5 as one drug that gives you a total of 11 drugs for the list. And the report states "Negative for all 11 drugs" not negative for all other 11 drugs.

    But, I do not know how to read the charts that are included so I could be totally wrong. If the charts indicate they found a positive, please explain it and I will try to understand.

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    what does

    Benzodiazepines and ketamine in hair by LC/MS/MS mean?

    what is LC/MS/MS ?


    can someone start a thread for is there drugs in caylee hair???

    i have to go.....but will be back....i would start it...but dont have the time to put things on there
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    Quote Originally Posted by TakeNote View Post
    pg 13 on doc http://www.clickorlando.com/download...6/21540377.pdf

    Q59.1-090115014 bulk hair just noticed a note at the bottom that says Q59.1 should be Q59.3 Benzodiazepines and ketamine in hair by LC/MS/MS

    Benzodiazepine.......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepines

    Kitamine........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

    negative for all 11 drugs

    on pg 14 list....... 13 drugs they made solutions for to test the hair.....if im reading it right

    to me it seems they found Benzodiazepines and ketamine in the hair samples

    now which drug uses both of those ingredients?/or were they combined and in something else? a differnt drug then what was listed?
    I also looked up ketamines on Wiki. Can have anesthetic effect. Used as recreational drug, snorted or injected or taken orally:

    when administered orally, ketamine is rapidly metabolised to norketamine, which possesses sedating effects
    ..... just like benzodiazepines. Drugs could have been used in combination or separately at different times.

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine"]Source[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by TakeNote View Post
    pg 13 on doc http://www.clickorlando.com/download...6/21540377.pdf

    Q59.1-090115014 bulk hair

    Benzodiazepines and ketamine in hair by LC/MS/MS

    Benzodiazepine.......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepines

    Kitamine........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

    negative for all 11 drugs

    on pg 14 list....... 13 drugs they made solutions for to test the hair.....if im reading it right

    to me it seems they found Benzodiazepines and ketamine in the hair samples

    now which drug uses both of those ingredients?/or were they combined and in something else? a differnt drug then what was listed?
    Well Benzodiazepines are found/used/class of several well known drugs. The BIG BIG ones being Valium, and ... drum roll please... XANAX. (aka "Zanny the Nanny"). If traces of these were found in Caylee's hair it is really chilling as it probably indicates prior or long term exposure and use. Any drugs found in her hair would not have been from the day she died, or within a short period. So that right there almost seems to indicate that our long running joke/rumor/dark humor comments of Xanax as the babysitter may have been right. The chloroform and syringe indicate that she just used something stronger.

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    Haven't read through most of the documents, but FWIW, benzodiazepines are a category of drugs that includes xanex.

    Also about the syringe, I initially thought: friend injected testosterone as a steroid, cleaned it out with rubbing alcohol (ethanol) - perhaps person shares needles or just wants to disinfect, KC steals it, uses it for chloroform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elementary View Post
    I also looked up ketamines on Wiki. Can have anesthetic effect. Used as recreational drug, snorted or injected or taken orally:

    ..... just like benzodiazepines. Drugs could have been used in combination or separately at different times.

    Source
    you will probably get a truer definition of it's effects by looking up "Special K, "
    aka ketamine. Is anyone else as shocked by this as I am?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reeseeva View Post
    IIRC, It was Linda Kenny Baden that said the duct tape was not around the skull.
    IIRC Brad said it on LKL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiquita71 View Post
    Hello WS

    I have been reading the thread and reading the docs and if I missed that someone posted this sorry.

    First: wasn't one of the defense's claims that the duct tape wasn't even on Caylee's skull? Was that something Cindy said?

    From the FBI:

    Tibia bone from a human as stated by the ocme.
    Hair from head
    Debris with head
    Duct tape removed from skull

    Also: it has been upsetting that Cindy vacuumed out the car, but as I have seen the FBI is on that one:

    A search warrant was issued at Anthony home 12/11/08
    Items included:

    red gas can with duct tape
    two envelopes of hair as stated belonging to Caylee Anthony
    green bissel spotbot cleaner
    red dirt devil vacuum cleaner
    green bissel steam cleaner
    large blue/grey shop vac

    multiple black garbage bags with yellow handles

    ETA: The FBI lab is also requested to examine the various vacuum cleaners for hairs looking for sings of decomp and whether or not they are micoscopically similar to the hair of victim: Caylee Marie Anthony

    I do not understand the docs enough to know what evidence was collected from the various vacuum cleaners. Anyone know if that is included in these docs?

    TIA

    ...jmo...


    I have been waiting for the results on the vacuum and carpet cleaners. I am sure they will be very telling. I don't think they have been released yet.

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    OK...I printed out all the pages....actually, they're using LC (liquid chromatography) and not GC (gas chromatography) - so I was wrong in saying GC/MS....but the results are actually the things with the up and down peaks, etc. When something is "found" the peak goes up...I won't get into it 'cause I'll even confuse things more. But, basically, everything has it's own "chemical signature", so to speak. So, you'll see diff "peaks and valleys" across each chart for each diff compound.
    At any rate...I'm honestly trying to figure if they took the "variations" of the drug to be seperate....I DID go back and read the past results for drug tests....it DOES say nothing was found....


    ETA : I'm confused.....seems like one of those "fingerprint results" type of "read it as you may".....

    ETA : AND....all the "pam" drugs listed ARE benzodiazepines.....so....I'm gonna say...it MUST be them saying that "Benzodiazepines (all the "pams") and Ketamine (an anesthetic) in hair by LC/MS/MS" then they say "Negative for all 11 drugs"....gotta mean there was NO drugs and I got all excited for nuthin'.........so, i quit!! LOL
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    Forgive me if I missed this....

    I see the pregnancy test listed, but do not see any results of tests...

    If it were used, it would contain DNA, no? Or too long, too degraded??

    Does anyone see a result for this item...?

    Or if this has been resolved, do let me know...thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TakeNote View Post
    pg 13 on doc http://www.clickorlando.com/download...6/21540377.pdf

    Q59.1-090115014 bulk hair just noticed a note at the bottom that says Q59.1 should be Q59.3 Benzodiazepines and ketamine in hair by LC/MS/MS

    Benzodiazepine.......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepines

    Kitamine........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

    negative for all 11 drugs

    on pg 14 list....... 13 drugs they made solutions for to test the hair.....if im reading it right

    to me it seems they found Benzodiazepines and ketamine in the hair samples

    now which drug uses both of those ingredients?/or were they combined and in something else? a differnt drug then what was listed?
    http://www.intheknowzone.com/DRdrugs/index.htm
    GHB, Rohypnol, and Ketamine are the three drugs most commonly known as "date rape drugs."

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/510622
    Ketamine for Conscious Sedation in Pediatric Emergency Care
    Conscious sedation is a controlled state of depressed consciousness that preserves protective reflexes, allows maintenance of a patent airway independently and continuously, and permits the patient to respond appropriately to physical stimulation and verbal command.

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/vntlj01rdvf23eqw/
    Benzodiazepine plus ketamine provides effective deep sedation

    Was CA supplying KC with drugs to sedate Caylee? You know, maybe in the evenings just give her a little dose to put her to sleep...
    This stuff came from somewhere and seeing how CA is a nurse...I'm betting it came straight from her.
    Oh my, wouldn't that just explain everything!

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    I find it interesting that in the forensic entomology report they have listed next to the days and temperatures notes about KC/Caylee

    6/16/08 last seen 1300
    6/17/08 Tony
    6/18/08 Tony car shovel
    6/19/08 boy friend no phone act
    6/20/08 out of gas boy f rt. side trunk open (I don't recall seeing that in any of the other docs but I could have missed it somewhere)

    etc

    http://www.clickorlando.com/download...6/21539770.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by momtective View Post
    http://www.intheknowzone.com/DRdrugs/index.htm
    GHB, Rohypnol, and Ketamine are the three drugs most commonly known as "date rape drugs."

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/510622
    Ketamine for Conscious Sedation in Pediatric Emergency Care
    Conscious sedation is a controlled state of depressed consciousness that preserves protective reflexes, allows maintenance of a patent airway independently and continuously, and permits the patient to respond appropriately to physical stimulation and verbal command.

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/vntlj01rdvf23eqw/
    Benzodiazepine plus ketamine provides effective deep sedation

    Was CA supplying KC with drugs to sedate Caylee? You know, maybe in the evenings just give her a little dose to put her to sleep...
    This stuff came from somewhere and seeing how CA is a nurse...I'm betting it came straight from her.
    Oh my, wouldn't that just explain everything!

    or perhaps kc was just taking them....ca had prescription for some of them due to a neck or was it back injury iirc.....
    jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglemom View Post
    I find it interesting that in the forensic entomology report they have listed next to the days and temperatures notes about KC/Caylee

    6/16/08 last seen 1300
    6/17/08 Tony
    6/18/08 Tony car shovel
    6/19/08 boy friend no phone act
    6/20/08 out of gas boy f rt. side trunk open (I don't recall seeing that in any of the other docs but I could have missed it somewhere)

    etc

    http://www.clickorlando.com/download...6/21539770.pdf
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    Could someone enlighten me on the bolded please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valhall View Post
    I am (per usual) behind all you folks, but has ANYBODY found in the documents an identifying descriptor for Q304???

    If so...PLEASE PM me!
    Val, is this the comb from the backpack?
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    Ok...before I try to make it through all the posts of the day...I just wanted to say that yes, the car (at least the trunk) was inspected according to the bug doctor on 7/16. I was afraid I'd forget this little tidbit gleaned from the reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2chloe View Post
    I am not clear on this either....although we are all brilliant, where are JWG and Bond when we need them?
    I was thinkin' the same thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lacey clementine View Post
    IIRC Brad said it on LKL?
    IIRC JB also said it on Geraldo.

    "It's time to tell the story of a little girl named Caylee" Linda Drane Burdick
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonders View Post
    BBM
    Could someone enlighten me on the bolded please.
    Casey was with Tony...could have been one of the days she ran out of gas...was the day she supposedly borrowed the shovel from the neighbor.

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    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15090880...erty-Forms-etc

    from our MM today. Anyone else pickup on this.

    Page 12132 - FBI Activity/Communications Log

    entry by HS

    3/13/09 Let SA Savage know I had received call from SA in CAL inquiring about duct tape and DNA being recovered. He explained that LP had possibly stated that. It was reported in the "Globe". I told Savage I would call SA in CA back and speak about duct tape, but I would not address any specific case Q's. He agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs.Peacock View Post
    you will probably get a truer definition of it's effects by looking up "Special K, "
    aka ketamine. Is anyone else as shocked by this as I am?
    Remember the friend in Casey's phone called "Special K" assuming it was Stephanie K who went to visit her in prison and either she didn't turn up or Casey refused the visit.

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    Isn't Ketamine ... also used as a horse sedative? I will answer this myself, be back shortly with a link .. this is soooo disturbing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonders View Post
    BBM
    Could someone enlighten me on the bolded please.
    Tony's car was seen, either picking her up if she ran out of gas or when he came to the house to help get the gas cans.

    Shovel relates to BB interview that this was they day it was borrowed by Casey.

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    Before we get a rumor going folks. The docs say there were NO benzos or ketamine in Caylee's hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countzero View Post
    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15090880...erty-Forms-etc

    from our MM today. Anyone else pickup on this.

    Page 12132 - FBI Activity/Communications Log

    entry by HS

    3/13/09 Let SA Savage know I had received call from SA in CAL inquiring about duct tape and DNA being recovered. He explained that LP had possibly stated that. It was reported in the "Globe". I told Savage I would call SA in CA back and speak about duct tape, but I would not address any specific case Q's. He agreed.
    I noticed it, and thought it was curious as well. Wonder what it means/implies? If anything.
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