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    Welcome to Websleuths Sympathetic Friend!

    And you too JHOL74 (even though we've conversed before!). Sorry I didn't welcome you earlier.

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    Thank you SympatheticFriend. I try to tell everyone how great he was but knowing him in person just cannot be explained. I am a better person because of him. I believed in myself because he told me I could do anything I wanted. I agree with that line of thinking, a familiar face and a stranger. It makes sense to me. If a woman was there he would not have been alarmed at all. I can ask LE to check her but I really have NO PULL what so ever. I know one thing for sure, my dad was wise. He knew how the world worked. He was NOT NAIVE. I wish I could figure out how they tricked or suprised him. I just want this case to be over.
    I am desperate to find justice for my dad. To sleep an entire night again. To be able to walk to my car outside after dark. To not feel panic when I start to leave Wal-Mart and realize that it is already starting to get dark, and wonder how I will get to my car safe. Then how will I get into my house safe once I get there. To go through an entire night without worry that the killer may break in and kill or abduct my kids. Just as they did with my dad.
    Then I get on this website and I look at all the people that have been affected by violent crime. I know I am not the only one. I want everyone who reads this to know that I pray God bless everyone who reads this.
    Are there any FBI profilers out there reading this? I ask because since dads murder I have been facsinated with how they can profile a case. I wonder if anyone out there has any ideas on the perp. Since I may know the person, if someone could tell me the type of person that we may be looking for. It may raise a flag for us close to the case.
    ...for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. Matt 10:26

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    MMD....good question regarding the profilers....have you ever heard of the Vidocq Society? They are based out of Pennsylvania. A group of retired (I believe) detectives who meet every month to solve/work on cold cases. They have been profiled on a lot of Cold Case Files, Forensic Files, many books I have read, etc. (I'm an avid true crime reader). Anyway, you might want to email them, I don't know what their protocol is but it sure couldn't hurt to get some feedback from them or they could possibly point you in the right direction? I hope. They do amazing work from what I understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blondie in spokane View Post
    mmd....good question regarding the profilers....have you ever heard of the vidocq society? They are based out of pennsylvania. A group of retired (i believe) detectives who meet every month to solve/work on cold cases. They have been profiled on a lot of cold case files, forensic files, many books i have read, etc. (i'm an avid true crime reader). Anyway, you might want to email them, i don't know what their protocol is but it sure couldn't hurt to get some feedback from them or they could possibly point you in the right direction? I hope. They do amazing work from what i understand.
    thanks blondie!!!! I have never heard of them but i will e-mail them right away. You are right, it can't hurt. With all the people on here you would think that there is an fbi profiler out there. It would be so much easier if i knew what type of person i was looking for. At this point i feel like everyone is a suspect, sorry to all the innocent people out there. I know it is supposed to be the other way around, but when something this horrible happens so close in your family. There is no time to be stupid or naive. So i am afraid and cautious around everyone until i am proven otherwise. Thanks so much everyone. (((((hugs)))))
    ...for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. Matt 10:26

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    okay i went to the website for the Vidocq Society, and it seems like it would be great for some cases. BUT the cases have to be over 2 years old. so dads would not meet the criteria. i copied this page....maybe someone can post the website where it should go.


    Case Intake

    A Vidocq Society investigation can begin only after we are contacted by a family member or law enforcement agency asking us to review an unsolved cold case. A family member making a request must have standing in the case. In all cases the investigating law enforcement agency must welcome our help.

    For The Vidocq Society to consider an unsolved death or homicide case, our by-laws require that:

    the death must have occurred at least two years prior;
    the victim cannot have been engaged in dangerous or illicit activity of any kind;
    if presented to a meeting by law enforcement or an investigator with standing in the matter no family members may be present; and
    We will not provide updates or other information to the family.
    If a case were adopted by the Society we would not submit progress or other reports to the family. Any information release would be determined by law enforcement and disseminated by them.
    ...for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. Matt 10:26

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    Does anyone have contact info for all of the major networks? Perhaps if a large number of us contact them concerning MMD's dad's case, we will be able to get her some national exposure. Just a thought! If anyone has the info, please post it and I will start sending e-mails. Hopefully we can get a lot of WS's to do the same! This case has touched me more than any other I have read here.
    I think about you and your dad daily, MMD. I will continue to pray for you. <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhol74 View Post
    Does anyone have contact info for all of the major networks? Perhaps if a large number of us contact them concerning MMD's dad's case, we will be able to get her some national exposure. Just a thought! If anyone has the info, please post it and I will start sending e-mails. Hopefully we can get a lot of WS's to do the same! This case has touched me more than any other I have read here.
    I think about you and your dad daily, MMD. I will continue to pray for you. <3
    thanks!! that would be great. I cannot thank you enough. I have only a few numbers...Good Morning America is 212-456-5900, then on most of the shows like 60 minutes you go to the website of that station, select contact us, then it goes thru a legal department. I am sure they get thousands daily. I would sure like to get this heard. I hope it doesn't take years more to find the killer. I tell ya if you would have known my dad, he was the best. His death has really hurt this town. He helped so many people, now what will they do? I appreciate ANYTHING that ANYONE can do. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
    ...for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. Matt 10:26

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    okay guys...I'm really new at doing this...I will try to move the media list I obtained from the Sarah Rodgers file over here...forgive me if I mess it up...but it I was amazing how WS members flooded media outlets with emails and she finally received attention after being ignored forever and a day. I am still impressed about that obviously. Someone called it the WS "media awareness campaign"!

    MMD...I'm so sorry that it didn't work regarding the Vidocq Society...I was really hoping that would be a viable lead for you. And yes, you would think that with all of the readers on this board that there would be ONE profiler at least. Please continue to have faith. I believe there are more readers here on this thread than you know. Something
    will happen.

    Will post the list shortly...

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    MMD...

    I will email these outlets today and continue to do so,,,maybe they will just get tired of hearing from me and hopefully that will lead to some attention? I hope so! It certainly can't hurt.

    Your dad sounds like a true gentleman is every sense of the word and a true prince of a guy. What a wonderful way to live one's life - always helping others and to be remembered in such a positive way.

    Hang in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhol74 View Post
    Does anyone have contact info for all of the major networks? Perhaps if a large number of us contact them concerning MMD's dad's case, we will be able to get her some national exposure. Just a thought! If anyone has the info, please post it and I will start sending e-mails. Hopefully we can get a lot of WS's to do the same! This case has touched me more than any other I have read here.
    I think about you and your dad daily, MMD. I will continue to pray for you. <3
    Good idea JH....as I noted earlier, a bunch of us sent in a mass of emails for Sarah Rodgers and finally were able to get her some media attention. I did attempt the same with Bryce Tarter on his thread but not so much luck there. Am hoping we have better luck here for Joe. He sounds like such a great and giving man.

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    WHO MURDERERED of Joe Nuff

    (July 31, 1947 - May 14, 2009)

    Please add or update information

    http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2009...es/obits05.txt

    Was Gf mentioned in obit above?

    http://www.4029tv.com/news/19467846/detail.html#


    Joe Neff was last seen at about 9 a.m Thursday in a local store. Prior to that, a female friend of his reported seeing Neff at around 7 a.m., said LeFlore County Sheriff Bruce Curnutt.

    Joe Neff was discovered missing Thursday May 14, 2009, 62 yr old Joe Neff's black Chevy SUV that was parked at the scene Long Branch Saloon, 68155 US 59, near Poteau
    What evidence was found inside the saloon--> definitely signs of a struggle and an injury inside. "We do believe that the bar owner Joe Neff may be injured. Several individuals were interviewed as persons of interest They found blood on his cowboy hat in the bar

    The saloon was equipped with security cameras, but authorities have yet to review/disclose any footage. There is a surveillance camera that still remains in the bar. LE said hey had the tape from this system. However, they would never say if it captured what happened in the bar.

    The day Neff disappeared, witnesses told investigators they saw an older model red pickup parked at the bar. That vehicle has never been found. Gf has red truck??

    Neff kept a safe inside a room in his Poteau home. Investigators said thousands of dollars were taken from the safe.

    interviewed people who have been banned from the bar, but nothing came up during the interviews that led police to believe someone had held a grudge. Neff has not had to ban anyone from the bar recently.


    Investigations spent much of Friday at Neff’s home, on Country Club Road, just outside of Poteau city limits. Authorities conducted a ground search for Neff Friday: however, but planned to expand the search today and Sunday to include bodies of water.


    Deputies have also been conducting searches near the bar, including land near Long Lake and the Poteau River What lead LE to these areas?? Was Joe found closer to his house or bar??

    Sunday evening at approximately 8 p.m. May 17, 2009 Neff's body found floating in a strip mining pit on McKenzie Road in Pocola. Died from a gunshot wound

    http://www.4029tv.com/news/22503039/detail.html


    http://missingexploited.com/2009/05/...ound-deceased/


    I cannot really imagine him ever telling someone no. He helped everyone. He felt that if they asked for it, they needed it worse than he did. He would go without before he would deny someone anything they needed. I think it is likely that this person was accompanied by a stranger (to Joe), who probably was the killer.

    Previous gfs??? who might have been harboring jealousy that he broke up with them


    This in and of itself made him a 'sought-after target'. Word gets out that "Joe Neff bailed me out; feeds us free on Sundays - carries/deals with a lot of cash and is retiring soon". All of those actions translate into "great opportunity for money" to more desperate, cunning folk.

    We're also told from the get-go, LE claimed "this was personal"...

    You then wrote something quite poignant - very early on - regarding the (good) advice your dad gave you: "Don't ever lend more than you're willing to give away...".
    there may be one or more whom your father decided he was not prepared to give any more?

    That/those person/s may have known your father's footsteps and habits; known the best time to approach him; known his 'cash-run' timings and therefore it may very well have been your own father who took the 'missing thousands' from the safe - not for the life of him believing he'd be murdered - he left the safe door open as he may easily have done previously if in a rush, then locked the internal door - and left.

    However, when he reached the bar - he may have allowed a familiar face to come in (he knew him, felt safe, if not in control) whom he'd helped before. When he said no - he may have been literally taken by surprise & side-swiped. A bloody fight ensued and the 'thousands' he himself may have taken from the safe could have been stolen . He may have been shot so as not to identify the perp and bundled into another vehicle. He could have been taped up semi-conscious so as not to arouse suspicion; the perp may not have been convinced he was dead or - to stop him defending himself.

    Do we know for certain: Where the real actual crime scene was:at home where the safe was or at the bar where a struggle and cowboy hat with blood and his vehicle was??

    Could Joe have been taken at his home and the cowboy hat "planted" at the bar, and a struggle was "staged"? & his vehicle" placed in lot?

    The perp may not even have known about the $740 in his top pocket... but took his cigarettes he's possibly a smoker) cell phone and keys. He's definitely local, definitely knew your dad - probably even went to the funeral. Are there any tapes of the funeral? Would you (and those close to Joe), all this time later, be able to identify those he'd helped out? Maybe this person would have wanted no waves; just blend in and be a part of a bigger crowd...

    If you haven't seen the ME report - you wont know if there was water on his lungs (very sorry to be graphic - I'm just spelling out my thoughts.
    Greed, sex, drugs, rock n roll and alcohol are key reasons for murder. The ghastly final act being of revenge ---> no witnesses & utter paranoia.
    To Joe's daughters: Please ensure you write a formal letter to ME in order that you recieve ALL documentation and findings...otherwise you will have more delay in findings.

    At the actual crime scene the vehicles behind the sheriffs tape are...the car belongs to the first customer and the red truck belongs to the gf. The OSBI checked both vehicles before they were released. No LE vehicle was taken behind the tape. The crime scene was discovered a bit before noon and Sheriffs and OSBI stayed until early the next morning collecting evidence and studying the crime scene.


    there were a few passerbys that had seen a red truck??. the road around the bar is slightly downhill from the bar. you can tell this from the pictures on kay sullivans realty website. so if you drove by the bar you actually made a semi circle around the edge of the property. maybe if you were driving by and not knowing you would need to recall what you saw, the vehicles may look smaller from down the slight decline to the road. i do not think her vehicle is one of interest. they checked it over before it was released and also verified that she(Gf) was at work at her other job before she went to bar to work.


    Yes he did use the bank. No he was not planning any large transactions. The Long Branch was a karaoke bar, with 2 pool tables. The juke box had a variety of music with country and rock. He served popcorn and had other snacks available. They served beer and wine coolers only.

    My dad did not want to buy another bar. He actually would have sold the Long Branch. It took up a lot of time, it was more of a hobby/hang out for him. The gf(45?)the employee who called authorities was the girlfriend of Neff. Neff's girlfriend who came to open the bar that day. She found blood inside, and Neff's trademark cowboy hat had been left behind. Neff's SUV was still parked outside of the bar, but he was nowhere to be found.

    Gf has another bf and has not been heard from in months. Her bf now is/may be older as well. some traffic tickets and dui on her record. Nothing else that i know of. She has not contacted us in several months

    girlfriend's new boyfriend(information)--->


    I had a news interview with Channel 40/29 News out of Ft Smith Ark. yesterday. The big story is going to air on Monday night at 10 pm. This is also about Jody Wilson too.

    in jody's thread that she apparently knew the owners of "the bar" in poteau, and supposedly it was sold shortly after jody went missing on may 5. Wondering if joe was interested in buying that business, and somebody else didn't want that to happen.


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    Hi Sailor Bug I was going to correct a couple of times and answer a few of your questions.
    Yes the gf saw him at 7am, and yas drives a red truck.
    He paid his water bill around 10 am then went across the street to Napa and paid his bill there, then probably headed to bar. The crime scene was discovered by a customer and gf right before noon on the 14th.
    About 4:30 or 5 pm on the 17th is when his body was discovered.

    Thanks so much for all the contacts !!!! I am going to start e-mailing the other ones right away. Thanks everyone!!!!
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    WHO MURDERERED of Joe Neff
    (July 31, 1947 - May 14, 2009)

    Please just copy paste or add/correct any information/questions or even if you just want to improve what we have here...Thanks

    -Joe Neff was last seen at about 9-10AM Thursday in a local store paid his water bill around 10 am then went across the street to Napa and paid his bill there. Prior to that, a female (Joe's Gf saw him at 7am) said LeFlore County Sheriff Bruce Curnutt.

    -Neff was discovered missing Thursday May 14, 2009,
    -crime scene was discovered by a customer and gf right before noon on the 14th 62 yr old Joe [U]Neff's black Chevy SUV that was parked at the scene Long Branch Saloon, 68155 US 59, near Poteauwhat
    -Evidence was found inside the saloon--> definitely signs of a struggle and an injury inside. "We do believe that the bar owner Joe Neff may be injured.The gf(45?) (of Neff) is the employee who called authorities. Neff's girlfriend who came to open the bar that day. She found blood inside, and Neff's trademark cowboy hat had been left behind.

    -The saloon was equipped with security cameras, but authorities have yet to review any footage. There is a surveillance camera that still remains in the bar. LE said hey had the tape from this system. However, they would never say if it captured what happened in the bar.

    -Several individuals were interviewed as persons of interest.

    -The day Neff disappeared, witnesses told investigators they saw an older model red pickup parked at the bar. That vehicle has never been found (Gf has red truck)

    -At the actual crime scene the vehicles behind the sheriffs tape are...the car belongs to the first customer and the red truck belongs to the gf. The OSBI checked both vehicles before they were released. Sheriffs and OSBI stayed until early the next morning collecting evidence and studying the crime scene.

    -Neff kept a safe inside a room in his Poteau home. Investigators said thousands of dollars were taken from the safe.

    -LE claimed "this was personal" (Familytold this from the get-go)

    -Interviewed people who have been banned from the bar, but nothing came up during the interviews that led police to believe someone had held a grudge. Neff has not had to ban anyone from the bar recently.

    -Investigations spent much of Friday at Neff’s home, on Country Club Road, just outside of Poteau city limits. Authorities conducted a ground search for Neff Friday: however, but planned to expand the search today and Sunday to include bodies of water.

    -Deputies have also been conducting searches near the bar, including land near Long Lake and the Poteau River

    -Sunday About 4:30 or 5 pm May 17, 2009 Joe Neff's body found floating in a strip mining pit on McKenzie Road in Pocola. Died from a gunshot wound-$740 in Joe's top pocket(NOT taken)
    -cigarettes, cell phone and keys taken.
    -Home safe emptied( thousands of $ taken)

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    Important info:
    *This in and of itself made him a 'sought-after target'. Word gets out that "Joe Neff bailed me out; feeds us free on Sundays - carries/deals with a lot of cash and is retiring soon". All of those actions translate into "great opportunity for money" to more desperate, cunning folk.

    *You then wrote something quite poignant - very early on - regarding the (good) advice your dad gave you: "Don't ever lend more than you're willing to give away...". there may be one or more whom your father decided he was not prepared to give any more?

    *I cannot really imagine him ever telling someone no. He helped everyone. He felt that if they asked for it, they needed it worse than he did. He would go without before he would deny someone anything they needed. I think it is likely that this person was accompanied by a stranger (to Joe), who probably was the killer.

    *That/those person/s may have known your father's footsteps and habits; known the best time to approach him; known his 'cash-run' timings and therefore it may very well have been your own father who took the 'missing thousands' from the safe - not for the life of him believing he'd be murdered - he left the safe door open as he may easily have done previously if in a rush, then locked the internal door - and left.

    *However, when he reached the bar - he may have allowed a familiar face to come in (he knew him, felt safe, if not in control) whom he'd helped before. When he said no - he may have been literally taken by surprise & side-swiped. A bloody fight ensued and the 'thousands' he himself may have taken from the safe could have been stolen . He may have been shot so as not to identify the perp and bundled into another vehicle. He could have been taped up semi-conscious so as not to arouse suspicion; the perp may not have been convinced he was dead or - to stop him defending himself.

    The perp may not even have known about the $740 in his top pocket... but took his cigarettes (agree with previous poster - he's possibly a smoker) cell phone and keys. He's definitely local, definitely knew your dad - probably even went to the funeral. Are there any tapes of the funeral? Would you (and those close to Joe), all this time later, be able to identify those he'd helped out? Maybe this person would have wanted no waves; just blend in and be a part of a bigger crowd...

    If you haven't seen the ME report - you wont know if there was water on his lungs
    Greed, sex, drugs, rock n roll and alcohol are key reasons for murder. The ghastly final act being of revenge ---> no witnesses & utter paranoia.

    .
    there were a few passerbys that had seen a red truck. the road around the bar is slightly downhill from the bar. you can tell this from the pictures on kay sullivans realty website. so if you drove by the bar you actually made a semi circle around the edge of the property. maybe if you were driving by and not knowing you would need to recall what you saw, the vehicles may look smaller from down the slight decline to the road. i do not think her vehicle is one of interest. they checked it over before it was released and also verified that she was at work at her other job before she went to bar to work.

    *Gf has another bf and has not been heard from in months. Her bf now is older as well. some traffic tickets and dui on her record. Nothing else that i know of. She has not contacted us in several months

    *My dad did not want to buy another bar. He actually would have sold the Long Branch. It took up a lot of time, it was more of a hobby/hang out for him

    *Joe did use the bank. No he was not planning any large transactions. The Long Branch was a karaoke bar, with 2 pool tables. The juke box had a variety of music with country and rock. He served popcorn and had other snacks available. They served beer and wine coolers only.

    I had a news interview with Channel 40/29 News out of Ft Smith Ark. yesterday. The big story is going to air on Monday night at 10 pm. This is also about Jody Wilson too.

    In jody's thread that she apparently knew the owners of "the bar" in poteau, and supposedly it was sold shortly after jody went missing on may 5. Wondering if joe was interested in buying that business, and somebody else didn't want that to happen.
    __________________________________________________ __________

    Questions:

    -Was Gf mentioned in obit why/why not?
    -What is the girlfriends name???????
    -Why is Gf name NEVER publically mentioned?
    -What kind of relationship did Gf & your Dad have? How long were they together?
    -What is the girlfriend's new boyfriend's name(information)--->
    -What evidence have LE found with the security camera inside the bar?
    -What lead LE to search areas??
    -Was Joe found closer to his house or bar??
    -previous gfs??? who might have been harboring jealousy that he broke up with
    -Any autopsy results?


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    http://www.4029tv.com/news/19467846/detail.html#

    http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2009...es/obits05.txt

    http://www.4029tv.com/news/22503039/detail.html

    http://missingexploited.com/2009/05/...ound-deceased/

    Fired Oklahoma examiner http://www.newsok.com/fired-oklahoma...#ixzz0fAnplvxY

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    Regarding the security cameras, they either must have been inoperative or ineffective, or they must have recorded an inconvenient truth.

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    Sailor, I think these questions are really important..If MMD can answer these it would help especially about the GF..why are they keeping her identity a secret.??_________________________________________ __________________

    Questions:

    -Was Gf mentioned in obit why/why not?
    -What is the girlfriends name???????
    -Why is Gf name NEVER publically mentioned?
    -What kind of relationship did Gf & your Dad have? How long were they together?
    -What is the girlfriend's new boyfriend's name(information)--->
    -What evidence have LE found with the security camera inside the bar?
    -What lead LE to search areas??
    -Was Joe found closer to his house or bar??
    -previous gfs??? who might have been harboring jealousy that he broke up with
    -Any autopsy results?


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    LINKS:

    http://www.4029tv.com/news/19467846/detail.html#

    http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2009...es/obits05.txt

    http://www.4029tv.com/news/22503039/detail.html

    http://missingexploited.com/2009/05/...ound-deceased/

    Fired Oklahoma examiner http://www.newsok.com/fired-oklahoma...#ixzz0fAnplvxY[/quote]
    IMO

    "May you always have LOVE to share,health to spare,and Friends that care."

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    Bump to the top for Joe and MMD!

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  41. #546
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    Questions:

    -Was Gf mentioned in obit why/why not? we did not know her well enough to mention her in the paper. they did not live together and were not real serious.

    -What is the girlfriends name??????? I thought names were off limits unless they had been published in a newspaper somewhere? I am new to this so someone tell me the rules on this before I answer and get in trouble.

    -Why is Gf name NEVER publically mentioned? again, none of the family knew her very well. she avoided it too I guess. she doesn't come around now either.

    -What kind of relationship did Gf & your Dad have? dad said she was easy to get along with they went out riding, whatever, not serious

    How long were they together? they dated about a year, but became more frequent toward the end

    What is the girlfriend's new boyfriend's name(information)---> waiting on info

    -What evidence have LE found with the security camera inside the bar? still unknown

    -What lead LE to search areas?? not sure, i think since home was robbed they searched the area just to see, he had not been located still at that point

    -Was Joe found closer to his house or bar?? okay picture map, point A bar-2 1/2 miles north, his home, point B, continue heading north, then east about 20 miles total, this is the location he was found. there are maps on an earlier post.

    -previous gfs??? who might have been harboring jealousy that he broke up with. he was married to my mom 25 years, dated one woman 8 yrs, then another for 6 (she passed away from liver disease), then this one, that is really the only ones that have been for any length of time.

    -Any autopsy results? none yet, they are still waiting on some things
    ...for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. Matt 10:26

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  43. #547
    My thoughts in bold red


    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Bug View Post
    WHO MURDERERED of Joe Neff
    (July 31, 1947 - May 14, 2009)

    Please just copy paste or add/correct any information/questions or even if you just want to improve what we have here...Thanks
    -Joe Neff was last seen at about 9-10AM Thursday in a local store paid his water bill around 10 am then went across the street to Napa and paid his bill there. Prior to that, a female (Joe's Gf saw him at 7am) said LeFlore County Sheriff Bruce Curnutt.

    How much was the water & Napa bill & did he usually pay cash or check? Was the water bill for the house & bar? As most of us know Napa is an auto parts store - curious what Joe would have bought there that he had a tab?



    -The saloon was equipped with security cameras, but authorities have yet to review any footage. There is a surveillance camera that still remains in the bar. LE said hey had the tape from this system. However, they would never say if it captured what happened in the bar.



    -Neff kept a safe inside a room in his Poteau home. Investigators said thousands of dollars were taken from the safe.


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    Important info:


    *You then wrote something quite poignant - very early on - regarding the (good) advice your dad gave you: "Don't ever lend more than you're willing to give away...". there may be one or more whom your father decided he was not prepared to give any more?

    My opinion is that Joe would have given someone anything

    *I cannot really imagine him ever telling someone no. He helped everyone. He felt that if they asked for it, they needed it worse than he did. He would go without before he would deny someone anything they needed. I think it is likely that this person was accompanied by a stranger (to Joe), who probably was the killer.


    If you haven't seen the ME report - you wont know if there was water on his lungs
    Might be time to retain an attorney for the family

    In jody's thread that she apparently knew the owners of "the bar" in poteau, and supposedly it was sold shortly after jody went missing on may 5. Wondering if joe was interested in buying that business, and somebody else didn't want that to happen.

    I honestly don't feel the 2 cases are connected

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  45. #548
    Quote Originally Posted by missingmydad View Post
    -Was Gf mentioned in obit why/why not? we did not know her well enough to mention her in the paper. they did not live together and were not real serious.

    -What is the girlfriends name??????? I thought names were off limits unless they had been published in a newspaper somewhere? I am new to this so someone tell me the rules on this before I answer and get in trouble.

    -Why is Gf name NEVER publically mentioned? again, none of the family knew her very well. she avoided it too I guess. she doesn't come around now either.

    -What kind of relationship did Gf & your Dad have? dad said she was easy to get along with they went out riding, whatever, not serious

    How long were they together? they dated about a year, but became more frequent toward the end

    What is the girlfriend's new boyfriend's name(information)---> waiting on info

    -What evidence have LE found with the security camera inside the bar? still unknown

    -What lead LE to search areas?? not sure, i think since home was robbed they searched the area just to see, he had not been located still at that point

    -Was Joe found closer to his house or bar?? okay picture map, point A bar-2 1/2 miles north, his home, point B, continue heading north, then east about 20 miles total, this is the location he was found. there are maps on an earlier post.

    -previous gfs??? who might have been harboring jealousy that he broke up with. he was married to my mom 25 years, dated one woman 8 yrs, then another for 6 (she passed away from liver disease), then this one, that is really the only ones that have been for any length of time.

    -Any autopsy results? none yet, they are still waiting on some things
    My opinion is that I would not be posting any names. We've never seen her name in print; if we did, it would have been posted.

    Oklahoma unexplained killings Blog by Roselvr
    Content

    Map 1. Missing Family, Jody-Rilee Wilson & Joe Neff

    Red Oak, Oklahoma - Bobby & Sherilynn Jamison plus their 6-year-old daughter Madyson
    Wister OK - Jody Rilee Wilson
    Poteau OK - Joe Neff

    Map 2 Jody Rilee Wilson & Joe Neff

    1. Long Branch Saloon 68155 Hwy 59 Poteau, OK 74953 - Joes bar
    2. Country Club Rd Poteau, OK 74953 Joes house
    3. Davis St Pocola, OK 74902 Strip Pit body found
    4. Wister, OK - Jody's town
    5. Poteau Mountain Heavener, OK 74937 - Jodys body
    6. Huckleberry's Pig Out Palace Old US Highway 62 Hoffman, OK 74437 - Jody's car

    Map 3 Joe Neff map 1

    A. Long Branch Saloon 68155 Hwy 59, Poteau, OK
    B. Country Club Rd, Poteau, Le Flore, Oklahoma 74953
    C. Davis St, Pocola, OK 74902

    Map 4 Joe Neff Map 2 - Back way to Strip Pit, House omitted.

    1. Long Branch Saloon 68155 Hwy 59, Poteau, OK
    2. Davis St, Pocola, OK 74902

    Map 5


    Jody-Rilee Wilson & Joe Neff - draft 1 By Roselvr
    Content

    Map 1. Missing Family, Jody-Rilee Wilson & Joe Neff

    Red Oak, Oklahoma - Bobby & Sherilynn Jamison plus their 6-year-old daughter Madyson
    Wister OK - Jody Rilee Wilson
    Poteau OK - Joe Neff

    Map 2 Jody Rilee Wilson & Joe Neff

    1. Long Branch Saloon 68155 Hwy 59 Poteau, OK 74953 - Joes bar
    2. Country Club Rd Poteau, OK 74953 Joes house
    3. Davis St Pocola, OK 74902 Strip Pit body found
    4. Wister, OK - Jody's town
    5. Poteau Mountain Heavener, OK 74937 - Jodys body
    6. Huckleberry's Pig Out Palace Old US Highway 62 Hoffman, OK 74437 - Jody's car

    Map 3 Joe Neff map 1

    A. Long Branch Saloon 68155 Hwy 59, Poteau, OK
    B. Country Club Rd, Poteau, Le Flore, Oklahoma 74953
    C. Davis St, Pocola, OK 74902

    Map 4 Joe Neff Map 2 - Back way to Strip Pit, House omitted.

    1. Long Branch Saloon 68155 Hwy 59, Poteau, OK
    2. Davis St, Pocola, OK 74902

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    Hello to all, new to WS, have a few comments that I`m not sure will help or not. Lived in OK for over 20 years now but not from here. After 20 years still an outsider in my community. We`re talking clannish here. Connections go back generations and so do grudges. It`s not surprising noboby is local is talking about this case. In rural Oklahoma you`d be lucky to get the time of day if you`re not from around there. What gets me is the large number of unsolved cases in that area. Just an opinion here but it all seems connected with the mountain. Also want to throw out a little detail that may or may not have any meaning, There are more people from Las Vegas in those hills than people realize. Also investigate a little community called Castoway Cove and see what you come up with.

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  49. #550
    Quote Originally Posted by missingmydad View Post
    I make myself get up everyday and keep going, even though I don't want to sometimes. I really miss him a lot. It has been over 10 months, still no arrests. I pray that the killers will be arrrested very soon. I hate knowing that they are walking free and could kill again at anytime. Who might they kill next time? Someone out there knows information about my dads murder. I hope they realize that someone they love could be the next victim. They are also criminals for with-holding that information. I hope they are put in jail along with the killers. I hope the judgment they deserve comes quickly.
    I can't imagine what you are going through.
    I haven't been around because this case eats my heart due to losing my own dad. My dad's 4 yr was 2/6 - then my birthday 3/2.. it was just so hard to come to this post.

    My advice would be to retain an attorney.
    .

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