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    What if Casey Burned The Car on June 28-29?

    Now we have the coffin flies, the decomp on the tissue found in the car, the air samples and the stain (which may or may not have the image of Caylee on it) - all damaging evidence from the car. I've always felt the most damaging evidence - the nail you can hang your hat on - is the Pontiac Sunfire. The death hair came from it. The coffin flies and they being in it's adult stage (and they were found on the 16th of July - and if you check out wikipedia, you'll know it can only reach its adult stage after four weeks) and the smell George and Cindy talks about all comes from it. It's the only evidence that Casey can't get away from.

    But what if we didn't have the car as evidence?

    June 16 - I think we're all on board that this is when Caylee died. I think Casey killed Caylee either in the Anthony home or in the trunk of the car and, instead of disposing the body immediately, went to Lazzaro's and the both of them went to Blockbuster.

    June 17 - she doesn't appear to be pinging away from Lazzaro's, so she's at his place, contemplating what she did. And planning what to do next.

    June 18 & 19 - this is when she borrows Brian Burner's shovels to bury the body. I think on the 19th, she discovers the body in an advanced decomposition state - messy and spilled on the carpet on the Pontiac's trunk. She wants to deal with it, but she has to leave before Cindy gets home.

    June 20 - this is when I think she gets rid of the body - but this is when she starts smelling the decomp. She dumps the body but doesn't pay a lot of attention to the trunk yet. She associates the smell with the body itself. And she has to party later tonight.

    June 21-22 - she stays with Tony and never deals with Pontiac.

    June 23 - she gets her first whiff of the trunk and it's bad. She tries to clean it up - the first of many attempts, but fails. she runs out of gas, gets TonE to break the lock of the garage at the A's home to get the gas cans (now why would he do that I have no idea - but perhaps this is KC's way to plant a seed of evidence against him) and prevent him from getting close to the trunk of the car.

    June 24 - George calls the cops regarding the gas cans and Cindy calls KC to inform her - which sends KC to the A's house to pre-empt any police activity. George sense something's wrong, and I'm very certain George smelled decomposition when he went to KC's trunk! I just can't see it any other way. After Casey leaves in a rush, Cindy and George have a very long talk about what George smelled.

    June 25 - it explains why KC sends a text message to Amy regarding the smell. KC knows her parents (especially Cindy) has a habit of calling her friends and telling them about KC. So she attempts to pre-empt Cindy if she tries to call Amy regarding the smell. I know that Cindy didn't have Amy's number until mid-July, but assume KC didn't know that. She's covering ALL her tracks. She makes yet another attempt to clean the car.

    June 26 - yet another attempt to clean the car - using the chemicals from the Lazzaro home - but it's not working. Another pre-empt convo with Amy regarding the smell. KC knows she HAS to get rid of the car.

    June 27 - she has several ideas: a carjacking, the car being stolen, or to burn it. She fills the car up with trash to either cover up the smell or as a fuelant for the car fire. She gives the carjacking idea a try so she deliberately runs out of gas, calls TonE to pick her up, refuses his offer to fill the tank up and says George will take care of it. To me, this proves she doesn't want the car back. For the rest of the day, she makes no attempt to retrieve the car - no request for gas cans, no calls to George, etc.

    June 28-29 - NOW she wants the gas cans. For what reason? and how sincere is her attempt at getting them. A call to Jesse Grund on Saturday and one call to Amy on Sunday. She coulda had the gas from TonE on Friday.

    June 30 - she gets Amy to come to Amscot with the gas can. And the car is gone.

    Here's what I think: she drove past the Amscot on her way to Amy KNOWING the car was already gone - she brought Amy just to bolster a testimony from Amy that KC wanted to get the car and to verify it was gone (stolen even).

    But what if she burned the car? What if she wanted the gas can to fill the car up halfway to take it to a remote area, then use the rest of the gas to torch it? No evidence. Any link to Caylee's death and Casey are gone (with the exception of the decom picked up by the dogs in the backyard of the A's home. But had she burned the car, she could have made up any story she wanted: she was carjacked and the guys took Caylee afterwards; Caylee and Zenaida were visiting somewhere and they just disappeared - and my car is stolen; Zenaida took my car.. it goes on and on.

    Better than that - none of it has to be tied to June 16 - the day of Caylee's death. Think about it. The only reason we know about the 16th was from KC who said she hadn't seen her daughter in 31 days. If she hadn't said that, then it could have any day that Caylee could have died. Law enforcement would be completely in the dark. The partying at Fusians could be viewed as a woman who honestly thought her daughter was being taken care of by the nanny until one day, the carjacking/nanny disappeared/whatever happened.

    KC could have gotten away with everything. Had she burned the car to the ground. Maybe that's what she wanted to do after all.
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    I think you're one smart cookie.

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    Excellent theory! I used to be upset that she burned up Caylee, (sorry), no tissue, etc. But I don't see that the dates don't match up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomom View Post
    I think you're one smart cookie.
    Yes, she wanted to try and burn Caylee a few times, possibly at Blanchard Park, and who knows where else. In that attempt failed she prolly wanted to blaze the car! Didn't happened because she prolly gaged from the stench and was in a pickle after the car was towed. She left it there in a frenzy> She took the chance it would be stold and it didn't work.

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    Yes, you are so right, the car and the body. Had she covered her trail better, she and ca could still be claiming Caylee alive, and it would be next to impossible to disprove.

    Look at Hailey Cummings, no body, no evidence, no confession, no case.

    KC could probably have pulled it off if she had not the flair for drama she does. The nanny story is pathetic, and if she just would have put her in the pool, held her down, waited 10 minutes then called 911 and turned on the tears, I don't think anyone would ever have known.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USARDOG View Post
    Yes, you are so right, the car and the body. Had she covered her trail better, she and ca could still be claiming Caylee alive, and it would be next to impossible to disprove.

    Look at Hailey Cummings, no body, no evidence, no confession, no case.

    KC could probably have pulled it off if she had not the flair for drama she does. The nanny story is pathetic, and if she just would have put her in the pool, held her down, waited 10 minutes then called 911 and turned on the tears, I don't think anyone would ever have known.
    That's the only high point in this ridiculous charade; KC was such a spoiled brat and got by with so much that she didn't even think she had to bother. If she wasn't such a careless, ADD liar, we might not have as much evidence as we do now, and Caylee's fate might never be brought to justice.

    CA's permissiveness in allowing her to get away with everything else may be the one reason KC won't get away with murder.
    "Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by cecybeans View Post
    That's the only high point in this ridiculous charade; KC was such a spoiled brat and got by with so much that she didn't even think she had to bother. If she wasn't such a careless, ADD liar, we might not have as much evidence as we do now, and Caylee's fate might never be brought to justice.

    CA's permissiveness in allowing her to get away with everything else may be the one reason KC won't get away with murder.
    Most respectfully bolded by me, for emphasis

    Very good point, Cecybeans! The permissiveness probably made her think she could get away with it, but at the same time ensures that won't happen b/c she's so arrogant from it all that she didn't clean up as good as she may have if she had really thought she needed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chess613 View Post
    But what if we didn't have the car as evidence?

    Better than that - none of it has to be tied to June 16 - the day of Caylee's death. Think about it. The only reason we know about the 16th was from KC who said she hadn't seen her daughter in 31 days. If she hadn't said that, then it could have any day that Caylee could have died.

    KC could have gotten away with everything. Had she burned the car to the ground. Maybe that's what she wanted to do after all.
    (Respectfully snipped for length)

    After spending yesterday on a computer that did not let me view documents I am finally catching up and have been keeping a timeline that matches yours in most essentials. Thanks for laying out one plausible timeline so clearly.

    Reading that KC broke down and specified "31 days" in the family confrontation (from CA's depo) just chilled me--if you have been fretting for THIRTY-ONE DAYS about not seeing your baby, and you KNOW it has been EXACTLY THIRTY-ONE DAYS, then why have you not reported her missing??? Entomology and chem analyses and all the docs that have yet to be dumped will hopefully give those of us who care a clear picture of what happened, and bring some justice to Caylee... but this one little piece of the puzzle, for whatever reason, is most incriminating to me. You're distraught, you're cornered, you're emotional, you're cowering on your bedroom floor trying to face what might have happened--and you spit out that you last saw her 31 days ago. Not "a couple of weeks," not "about a month" ago.

    "Thirty-one days."

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    I've never posted here before but have been lurking for a long time. Forgive me if this is not in a thread where it should be.I've been wondering if Casey might have attempted to clean the decomp mess in the back of her car with the KIWI Fast Acting Cleaner found in the bag of trash from TL apartment, along with the paper towels also in the bag. Don't know how to put the photo up here,but in looking at those photos the cleaner has one of those scrubby brushes on it, and it is stained much the same color as the pile of paper towels in the same photos.All items were in the bag of trash found in the back of her car. There are several photos of the can of cleaner, but one in particular shows it lying on it's side near the pile of paper towels and both are stained. I know that cleaning dirty shoes could stain it, but that little scrubby brush could come in handy, if trying to scrub a mess out of a short nap carpeting. Hope this makes sense.

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    I think she tried hard (for Casey) to get gas cans to go and get that car.

    Without that car she was stuffed. You can't get around in the US (even I, a simple aussie, know that) without car not to mention the smell would be drawing attention to the car and she couldn't be sure where the car would end up. She would not want it out of her control, one of the reasons I am sure that she decided NOT to bury Caylee's body in her parents backyard..that and the Anthony dogs.

    I'm not sure why she didn't try harder, but she did try.

    That is why she says with conviction that the car was not abandoned....one of the few times she tells the truth. She wanted that car back for sure. If Jesse had of agreed to meet her with the cans she would have had it back in her possesion.


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    It's just poetic justice! When we heard that she had recently admitted to stealing her dad's gas cans after Caylee "went missing" most of us thought the worst possible thing ~ that she had destroyed Caylee's body by burning it. After more discovery I'll admit I was pretty shocked to think that she really had just run out of gas for her car and thought little of the gas cans afterwards. But now (after even more discovery) we are learning that the gas can may be the most important link (because of the duct tape) that will connect duct-tape-happy Casey to the murder of her daughter.

    I guess it taught me that even if our intuition isn't exactly right ~ it still shouldn't be completely discounted. You guys have great "hinkey meters!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by darnudes View Post
    That is why she says with conviction that the car was not abandoned....one of the few times she tells the truth. She wanted that car back for sure. If Jesse had of agreed to meet her with the cans she would have had it back in her possesion.
    Respectfully snipped....

    I more figured that the reason she said (with conviction, yes) that the car was not abandoned was because she thought saying that it was abandoned (by her or with her knowledge) would implicate her. She had any number of ways to get around, borrowing bfs' and gfs' cars and getting rides. She could have asked daddy to come help her out. But if she did THAT, GA and CA could have bargained that they would help her get the car away from the gas station IF she let them see Caylee. Plus the trunk was already inexplicably stinky. Better to let it sit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophie01 View Post
    I've never posted here before but have been lurking for a long time. Forgive me if this is not in a thread where it should be.I've been wondering if Casey might have attempted to clean the decomp mess in the back of her car with the KIWI Fast Acting Cleaner found in the bag of trash from TL apartment, along with the paper towels also in the bag. Don't know how to put the photo up here,but in looking at those photos the cleaner has one of those scrubby brushes on it, and it is stained much the same color as the pile of paper towels in the same photos.All items were in the bag of trash found in the back of her car. There are several photos of the can of cleaner, but one in particular shows it lying on it's side near the pile of paper towels and both are stained. I know that cleaning dirty shoes could stain it, but that little scrubby brush could come in handy, if trying to scrub a mess out of a short nap carpeting. Hope this makes sense.
    I think this is a great point! welcome to posting!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chess613 View Post
    Now we have the coffin flies, the decomp on the tissue found in the car, the air samples and the stain (which may or may not have the image of Caylee on it) - all damaging evidence from the car. I've always felt the most damaging evidence - the nail you can hang your hat on - is the Pontiac Sunfire. The death hair came from it. The coffin flies and they being in it's adult stage (and they were found on the 16th of July - and if you check out wikipedia, you'll know it can only reach its adult stage after four weeks) and the smell George and Cindy talks about all comes from it. It's the only evidence that Casey can't get away from.

    But what if we didn't have the car as evidence?

    June 16 - I think we're all on board that this is when Caylee died. I think Casey killed Caylee either in the Anthony home or in the trunk of the car and, instead of disposing the body immediately, went to Lazzaro's and the both of them went to Blockbuster.

    June 17 - she doesn't appear to be pinging away from Lazzaro's, so she's at his place, contemplating what she did. And planning what to do next.

    June 18 & 19 - this is when she borrows Brian Burner's shovels to bury the body. I think on the 19th, she discovers the body in an advanced decomposition state - messy and spilled on the carpet on the Pontiac's trunk. She wants to deal with it, but she has to leave before Cindy gets home.

    June 20 - this is when I think she gets rid of the body - but this is when she starts smelling the decomp. She dumps the body but doesn't pay a lot of attention to the trunk yet. She associates the smell with the body itself. And she has to party later tonight.

    June 21-22 - she stays with Tony and never deals with Pontiac.

    June 23 - she gets her first whiff of the trunk and it's bad. She tries to clean it up - the first of many attempts, but fails. she runs out of gas, gets TonE to break the lock of the garage at the A's home to get the gas cans (now why would he do that I have no idea - but perhaps this is KC's way to plant a seed of evidence against him) and prevent him from getting close to the trunk of the car.

    June 24 - George calls the cops regarding the gas cans and Cindy calls KC to inform her - which sends KC to the A's house to pre-empt any police activity. George sense something's wrong, and I'm very certain George smelled decomposition when he went to KC's trunk! I just can't see it any other way. After Casey leaves in a rush, Cindy and George have a very long talk about what George smelled.

    June 25 - it explains why KC sends a text message to Amy regarding the smell. KC knows her parents (especially Cindy) has a habit of calling her friends and telling them about KC. So she attempts to pre-empt Cindy if she tries to call Amy regarding the smell. I know that Cindy didn't have Amy's number until mid-July, but assume KC didn't know that. She's covering ALL her tracks. She makes yet another attempt to clean the car.

    June 26 - yet another attempt to clean the car - using the chemicals from the Lazzaro home - but it's not working. Another pre-empt convo with Amy regarding the smell. KC knows she HAS to get rid of the car.

    June 27 - she has several ideas: a carjacking, the car being stolen, or to burn it. She fills the car up with trash to either cover up the smell or as a fuelant for the car fire. She gives the carjacking idea a try so she deliberately runs out of gas, calls TonE to pick her up, refuses his offer to fill the tank up and says George will take care of it. To me, this proves she doesn't want the car back. For the rest of the day, she makes no attempt to retrieve the car - no request for gas cans, no calls to George, etc.

    June 28-29 - NOW she wants the gas cans. For what reason? and how sincere is her attempt at getting them. A call to Jesse Grund on Saturday and one call to Amy on Sunday. She coulda had the gas from TonE on Friday.

    June 30 - she gets Amy to come to Amscot with the gas can. And the car is gone.

    Here's what I think: she drove past the Amscot on her way to Amy KNOWING the car was already gone - she brought Amy just to bolster a testimony from Amy that KC wanted to get the car and to verify it was gone (stolen even).

    But what if she burned the car? What if she wanted the gas can to fill the car up halfway to take it to a remote area, then use the rest of the gas to torch it? No evidence. Any link to Caylee's death and Casey are gone (with the exception of the decom picked up by the dogs in the backyard of the A's home. But had she burned the car, she could have made up any story she wanted: she was carjacked and the guys took Caylee afterwards; Caylee and Zenaida were visiting somewhere and they just disappeared - and my car is stolen; Zenaida took my car.. it goes on and on.

    Better than that - none of it has to be tied to June 16 - the day of Caylee's death. Think about it. The only reason we know about the 16th was from KC who said she hadn't seen her daughter in 31 days. If she hadn't said that, then it could have any day that Caylee could have died. Law enforcement would be completely in the dark. The partying at Fusians could be viewed as a woman who honestly thought her daughter was being taken care of by the nanny until one day, the carjacking/nanny disappeared/whatever happened.

    KC could have gotten away with everything. Had she burned the car to the ground. Maybe that's what she wanted to do after all.
    Thanks so much for this timeline, makes things a little clearer for me. I have been gone a little while and this point of view sure helped see things a little more clearly, Easy to read, and a great theory, thanks again!

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    well I do agree although I must say LE wouldnt be totally in the dark - after the body was found anyways - but until then - no getting car from the towyard, no moment of clarity from CA calling 911...maybe kc would just carried on doing whatever...cindy woulda never found her, she got amy's info from the car too which led her to KC...

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