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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St. Martin's, 21 October 2009 - # 9

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    Just something to ponder ---

    I had occasion to speak with some other local residents this weekend. One thing that was discussed that I thought may be of interest to WS'ers is that AB and EO may have had a sort of history. It may have been because of their previous interactions and/or EO's interactions with AB's younger siblings - but these locals believed she was a target because there were specific reasons why AB did not like EO. I mention this only because we had previously discussed this being a "thrill kill" and I also wondered if some of the written evidence obtained by LE made reference to previous altercations.

    Given AB's emotional instability, I wonder if she took her role of big sister defending her siblings too far?

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    Bibliophile, I would not be at all surprised to find that there have been altercations between AB and EO, and other sorts of trouble; I just have to think she did not move from playing with electric fences directly to murder -- my guess is there are not much in the way of records, or the Sheriff could have zoned in a bit sooner --

    As far as defending her siblings? They seemed to be her playthings on the videos, wanting them to get hurt, so IDK if I can see her as an avenger or anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    -- my guess is there are not much in the way of records, or the Sheriff could have zoned in a bit sooner --
    I was referring to anything written by AB about EO.

    As far as defending her siblings? They seemed to be her playthings on the videos, wanting them to get hurt, so IDK if I can see her as an avenger or anything
    I guess I didn't read the videos that way but I'm specifically referring to her feeling defensive about her siblings. I know with my own kids and hundreds of others I have known, they may fight like cats and dogs with each other - but if the neighborhood bully came calling for a little sister or brother??? It was one for all and all for one. And given the dysfunction they came from, AB may have felt a warped sense of duty as the eldest.

    I also have to wonder how EO's background may have affected her and her interaction with other children. Did a troubled little girl become a target of an even more troubled teen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibliophile View Post
    I was referring to anything written by AB about EO.



    I guess I didn't read the videos that way but I'm specifically referring to her feeling defensive about her siblings. I know with my own kids and hundreds of others I have known, they may fight like cats and dogs with each other - but if the neighborhood bully came calling for a little sister or brother??? It was one for all and all for one. And given the dysfunction they came from, AB may have felt a warped sense of duty as the eldest.

    I also have to wonder how EO's background may have affected her and her interaction with other children. Did a troubled little girl become a target of an even more troubled teen?
    I totally agree. IME siblings can be fighting like crazy and if a peer steps in they tend to stop and both focus on the intruder.

    I theorized that AB identified with many aspects of EO's life. There are a few different things I theorized cold be "motivators" on why EO. I have thought that alone could cause deep hate feelings as AB hated herself.

    EO was around the age when AB was finally settled and GMa got custody and AB wanted to "exorcise" her own demons and EO was a close fit. In AB's diseased mind maybe she thought if she got rid of EO she could get rid of her own past and be able to move on and get better.

    AB may have felt envious of EO. Even though AB was in a better financial situation she may have thought that EO had it better and it was not fair. EO had her mother and a step father who loved her and wanted her. I think that AB felt that she wasn't really wanted at GMa's. When you read the things that AuntKNP wrote AB had to have felt those feelings from KNP. I am sure at some time she looked up to her Aunt as a big sister. Instead of being a big sister KNP resented the changes in her life that the kids brought into her life. The twins were little and boys so it wasn't the same with them. IMO AB and KNP had a very strained relationship.

    I hope more information will come out in the next few days. Even if by some chance she isn't going to be charged as an adult it would be better to let info out rather than all the local rumors and Internet talk. If they released her name, COD and what makes AB "this particular juvenile" then I think the community would feel more at ease about what happened. The community wants to and needs to know whether AB acted alone or not. There are many rumors about her boyfriend and other friends that need to be put to rest so that they can go on with their lives. All the secrecy isn't helping anyone. It will be next to impossible to get an unbiased jury together there. I think if some info came out it would be better for both families involved. Both could try to get their lives together as best as possible because people wold somewhat "back off" if there was reliable info released. They could go out without having as many trying to get inside info from them.

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    I am new to this site, but I have been reading the threads from several days now trying to catch up. I am a local with information overheard first hand from the spouse of an employee at the Prenger Center where AB is housed. I heard this information last week or the week before but it's no big secret I'm sure. Here it is - The attorney at the Prenger Center made a "gentlemen's agreement" with the local media to NOT release the perps name or any other identifying information. All local media was in agreement; however, the national media was not on board and when this matter went national the attorney was pissed that information was being leaked on these boards, NG, and other outlets.

    Additionally, I have been told directly by a person who had colleages that worked the suicide of the teacher Mr. Currie.....his death was related. The teacher had first hand knowledge of ABs writings. The guilt from what he knew was the reason he killed himself. It had nothing to do with him being sick. Now I didn't ask if there was a note or anything of the sort. I was just told he was the journalism teacher and AB was a student in his class. Now I have read from other possible students posting that AB was NOT a student in Mr. Currie's class....so you guess is as good as mine as to whether she was a student in his journalism class or if he was just someone that AB confided in.

    Again all of this is just my opinion based upon information I heard from people I believe to be trusted sources.

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    I am not sure we know KNP and AB had a strained relationship. In KNP writings AB is only menttioned twice. Once they went shopping.. and then the post where KNP was very angry. That was only one day out of mths of writing. I do not think their realtionship can be judged based on that one post. KNP was of adult age, and if it was so bad she could moved out.. I think at that time in KNP life she was mad at someone most of the time(from her writings) If it wasnt her step mom, it was RP, or her friends that "snitched" on her..etc. She was 18 or 19 at the time.. most girls that age tend to mad on a regular basis especially if not getting her way w/ things. Then u add in AB using her stuff invading her privacy to get her stuff and she had reason to be mad, we have NO way to know how long that "mad" lasted though.

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    welcome mominjc! Thanks for the informative post

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    Thank you for your post and welcome, mominjc we are happy to have you and your thoughts here

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    As far as the earlier posts regarding AB's possible personal dislike of EO, I do not think it is a matter of feeling defensive of your siblings. IMOO, this will turn out to be what I have said all along.

    A girl who is po'd at a younger siblings friend/playmate for totally stupid, immature reasons. If anything it is possible that AB felt not defensive of but POSSESIVE of her siblings and their attention as they were her playthings. What if when EO was over, sibling suddenly didn't jump through your hoops? What if whenever EO was over said sibling didn't listen to you or pay you any mind but backtalked you or blew you off to impress playmate/friend?

    For a phsychologically damaged teen who is enamoured of all things dark, dangerous and deadly, this could have been enough to earn EO her hatred.


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    I need to put in my vacation time request for the hearing on Wed and I'm not able to confirm anything about when/where.

    I am assuming it will be held at the court house, first thing in the morning in Jon Beetam's courtroom. If anyone knows anything different, please let me know.

    Probably won't be able to get in, but we'll see what happens.

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    I have my vacation request in, but haven't got approval yet. I hope to see you there, Jodibug! I'd love to get in, but if it's seriously crowded, I may give up my place to someone else. I'm hearing impaired (lol, not LEGAL hearings, I mean I wear hearing aids), so if it's too crowded, I wouldn't be able to get much out of it anyway. Still, I'd like to get a look at all the folks involved. I've met AB a couple of times, and saw her GP once, but haven't seen any of the other relatives, the judge, attornies, etc.

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    p.s. I think all WS folks who attend should wear something like a red carnation on our labels, so we can id each other.....whadya think?? ......jk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodibug View Post
    I need to put in my vacation time request for the hearing on Wed and I'm not able to confirm anything about when/where.

    I am assuming it will be held at the court house, first thing in the morning in Jon Beetam's courtroom. If anyone knows anything different, please let me know.

    Probably won't be able to get in, but we'll see what happens.
    Glad to hear someone on WS is going to try and attend. I have no idea about the details either though. Wondering myself how this is going to go. (FYI to other sleuthers, the Cole Co. courthouse has four courtrooms, none of which are very big. The largest may seat 100 folks uncomfortably.)

    I just read the statute about the certification process again, and it does leave the location of the hearing somewhat of wild card. But the hearing has to be held in the "presence" of the subject and their attorney. So, it is possible they could do this via video conference at the courthouse, in person at the courthouse, or at the Prenger Center(?).

    Who knows? I'm sure the media will know sometime within the next day, but how soon they will disclose, if at all, is your guess.

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