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    Here's a couple of posts from my Cuban Embargo & Sex Trafficking thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey*Girl View Post
    I wanted to start this thread b/c of the increasing debate between the U.S. & Cuba. There are no other developing industries in Cuba and prostitution has increased so much that it has become a major source of supplemental income for many Cubans. My question is this - If we lift sanctions against Cuba, if we allow for tourism to and from Cuba, will that increase the sex trade industry? It seems as though human trafficking is increasing, which Cuba doesn't recognize publicly, and it scares me when I realize exactly how "cheap" it would be to get what pedos & other sex rats want in Cuba - from what I'm finding it's $3 for yumyum - sick. If we lift sanctions, is there anything we can do to help Cuba crack down on these perverts, or will we make their prostitution industry more populous knowing that Americans lead the world now in sex crimes? Is there anything we can do in anticipation of this, in order to help prevent an increase in trafficking?

    Please refer to this link, which is from June of 2008. I haven't found a more recent update yet, but I've been following this development for about 3 years now - it gets worse every year:
    http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publis...f9a0f2d,0.html

    The following is a snippet from this article, as supplied by The UN Refugee Agency:

    Cuba is principally a source country for women and children trafficked within the country for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation. Some families push child victims to prostitute themselves as a means of increasing family income. Cuban children and adults also may be exploited for forced labor. The full scope of trafficking within Cuba is difficult to gauge due to the closed nature of the government and sparse non-governmental or independent reporting. However, by all accounts, the country is a destination for sex tourism, including child sex tourism, which is a problem in many areas of the country. Cuba's thriving sex trade caters to numerous European, Canadian, and Latin American tourists every year. State-run hotel workers, travel employees, cab drivers, and police steer tourists to prostituted women and children and facilitate their commercial sexual exploitation, sometimes extorting money or pay-offs from victims. Limited sex trafficking of Cuban women to Mexico, The Bahamas, and Western Europe has been reported. Some Cuban nationals willingly migrate to the United States, but are subsequently exploited for forced labor by their smugglers. Cuba also is a transit point for the smuggling of migrants from China, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Lebanon, and other nations to the United States and Canada. Some of these migrants may be trafficking victims, who are subject to forced labor, sexual exploitation, and abuse.

    The Government of Cuba does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking and is not making significant efforts to do so. Exact information about trafficking in Cuba is difficult to obtain because the government does not publicly release information, and U.S. attempts to engage officials are viewed as politically motivated. Nonetheless, the Government of Cuba does not appear to have made tangible efforts to prosecute offenders, protect victims, or prevent human trafficking activity during the reporting period.
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    Thank you, SWAG! I am on the fence with regards to sanctions being lifted...reason being is that I feel so bad for the Cuban people. I do think that if sanctions are to be lifted, it should only be done so under certain terms...which is what Castro & his brother will NEVER agree to. I knew several latinos while living in Florida, and one of my most favorite places to visit was South Miami...and in Little Cuba the food is so good that nothing can begin to compare to it...but the crime is incredible. There's so much $$$ in Miami, and alot of it is due to money laundering. Living in Florida and going to college, I encountered some pretty crazy people...which I guess could have come from anywhere...except they were mostly beautiful. Why is it human nature not to second guess people that are nice and good looking, but to second guess people with straggley hair and no-name clothes? Why? Anyway, I can't tell you how many people KNEW about the prostitution even way back then - in Cuba! Living in Cuba is like living in certain parts of Mexico. In America, you might make $2k-$6K per month...there you might only bring home $10 per week (or even month). Women can prostitute and bring home $100 per week in Cuba, therefore being able to provide food & necessities for their families while working less hours! A bj that might cost $20-$30 in NYC only costs $3 in Cuba! This is what worries me, b/c Cuba is ALOT closer than some of these Asian nations that take a blind eye to such indiscretions. Since Cuba is so very close to America, and Puerto Rico is just a hop-skip-&-jump from Cuba, then I'm thinking that sanctions being lifted will only fuel this crime. I know for a fact that many illegals coming from Cuba is what put alot of Miami Americans out of business. Anything in construction gets done alot cheaper if you hire them. Laying asphalt anywhere in the U.S. costs at the minimum $10 per hour, but a Cuban or Mexican (illegal) will do it for half, even though it's under minimum wage! Same goes for drug smuggling. It's such a shame that the Intracoastal Highway / Waterway has become part of the drug runners' path! Makes me sick with all the beautiful marine life in there. I feel so bad for the Cuban people, though. I am just unsure as to the correct avenue to take here. There truly is no industry there, nothing that up and coming...only the rise of prostitution & child labor, plus the growth of various raw packaged drugs...which in turn are flown or floated into the U.S. to be dried, cut, separated, and sold. All for profit, which comes right back to money laundering. We all know Miami is the capital of money laundering, Argentina & Brazil coming in right behind. Makes me a bit scared.


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    I wonder why there are so many sex offenders anyway. Can't these people control themselves? Why do so many want to have sex with children? I looked up the map of how many sex offenders are living near Shaynia's bio mother and there are far too many. Why are they being let out of prison or institutions? Here is the map.


    http://sexoffender.ncdoj.gov/map.aspx


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    Patience, I guess this is a situation where the squeaky wheel gets the grease. We obviously are not aware of this grave situation even though we live among its vilest inhabitants. I think it was Pittsburgirl who said she didn't believe in the Death Penalty but in this case, she felt it was appropriate. ( Shaniya case) I want to state right here, that the death penalty should be used liberally on all those that seek to harm or abuse our children. There should be no second chance, no parole, no probation, no need for those electronic devices that alert others to their whereabouts. The penalty for this crime and every crime against a child in the USA where a child is harmed or killed should be death. There has to be enough fear to abolish even the thought of child abuse.

    Alas , we know its not going to happen. These are the times we are living in. Guard your children and pray for their safety and at every opportunity voice your opinion in a voting booth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PorcineGranny View Post
    Patience, I guess this is a situation where the squeaky wheel gets the grease. We obviously are not aware of this grave situation even though we live among its vilest inhabitants. I think it was Pittsburgirl who said she didn't believe in the Death Penalty but in this case, she felt it was appropriate. ( Shaniya case) I want to state right here, that the death penalty should be used liberally on all those that seek to harm or abuse our children. There should be no second chance, no parole, no probation, no need for those electronic devices that alert others to their whereabouts. The penalty for this crime and every crime against a child in the USA where a child is harmed or killed should be death. There has to be enough fear to abolish even the thought of child abuse.

    Alas , we know its not going to happen. These are the times we are living in. Guard your children and pray for their safety and at every opportunity voice your opinion in a voting booth.
    Exactly. It's not as if these perps are defective machinery that can be repaired or have certain parts replaced...plus the injustice done to their victims far outweighs even a death sentence. I'm certain that these victims have to live with the knowledge of what they endured for the rest of their lives, that is if they're "lucky" enough to live through it without being murdered...whereas the offender gets the dp or lwop if the victim was murdered...or some measley sentence where they're back on the streets in mere years if the victim actually lives through their ordeal. Where the heck's the justice in that?What the heck good is a sex offender registry if it can't control the perps? It's great that it informs us innocent people so we can make educated decisions and spread awareness, but seriously, unless they're all on monitoring devices it does nothing for us or our kids. There needs to be stricter guidelines and cut out the gray area that certain states convict guys that are 18 having sex with a 15 y/o that lied about her age...those same states that allow 16 y/o's to marry.

    Neighbors hardly speak up anymore. Gone are the days of small town America when every neighborhood had their own Gladys Kravitz. Everybody's too busy with double income families and trying to get their piece of the pie to keep up with the Jones' that trafficking & prostitution has taken a backseat in their knowledge bases. People are getting numb to feeling for strangers and making a difference. This crap has been around forever...just gotten prominently worse when we went to war. I wish the media could focus on this subject and report on it the way they glamorize Brangelina, or the way they report on court cases that have been dead for ages. This is a problem in the here and now and should be addressed right away as it's seriously out of hand, has grown to HUGE proportions involving several international countries, and is probably the wealthiest industry out there. If Obama doesn't recognize this soon and do his share in making a difference with regards to Human Trafficking and child prostitution, people will look at him the same way they did Bush - like he turned a blind eye to it all. That's fine and dandy if they're supporting work behind the scenes with Interpol, the CIA, etc, but if that's the case they should put their money where their mouth is imo. People that enslave & rape other people should be tried & convicted and be punished to corporal punishment in a public avenue - especially if their victim was an innocent child.



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    Quote Originally Posted by passionflower View Post
    Thanks Kimster for starting this thread.
    I had NO IDEA til Shaniya's case just how bad this is!
    Instead of our politicians worrying about other crap,
    let's get them started on this issue!
    This human trafficing is getting worse than drugs!
    We need each town to have petitions for politicians to address this 'secret' in USA!!!
    There was a documentary on tv a few months ago about the widespread of human trafficking. Human trafficking is 2nd in money brought in to these scumbags only to drugs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey*Girl View Post
    Exactly. It's not as if these perps are defective machinery that can be repaired or have certain parts replaced...plus the injustice done to their victims far outweighs even a death sentence. I'm certain that these victims have to live with the knowledge of what they endured for the rest of their lives, that is if they're "lucky" enough to live through it without being murdered...whereas the offender gets the dp or lwop if the victim was murdered...or some measley sentence where they're back on the streets in mere years if the victim actually lives through their ordeal. Where the heck's the justice in that?What the heck good is a sex offender registry if it can't control the perps? It's great that it informs us innocent people so we can make educated decisions and spread awareness, but seriously, unless they're all on monitoring devices it does nothing for us or our kids. There needs to be stricter guidelines and cut out the gray area that certain states convict guys that are 18 having sex with a 15 y/o that lied about her age...those same states that allow 16 y/o's to marry.

    Neighbors hardly speak up anymore. Gone are the days of small town America when every neighborhood had their own Gladys Kravitz. Everybody's too busy with double income families and trying to get their piece of the pie to keep up with the Jones' that trafficking & prostitution has taken a backseat in their knowledge bases. People are getting numb to feeling for strangers and making a difference. This crap has been around forever...just gotten prominently worse when we went to war. I wish the media could focus on this subject and report on it the way they glamorize Brangelina, or the way they report on court cases that have been dead for ages. This is a problem in the here and now and should be addressed right away as it's seriously out of hand, has grown to HUGE proportions involving several international countries, and is probably the wealthiest industry out there. If Obama doesn't recognize this soon and do his share in making a difference with regards to Human Trafficking and child prostitution, people will look at him the same way they did Bush - like he turned a blind eye to it all. That's fine and dandy if they're supporting work behind the scenes with Interpol, the CIA, etc, but if that's the case they should put their money where their mouth is imo. People that enslave & rape other people should be tried & convicted and be punished to corporal punishment in a public avenue - especially if their victim was an innocent child.

    I am glad to say I AM one of those Gladys Kravitz people. I have made than a few calls tot he single mom across the street to ask about her daughter or the car that shows up over there while mom is at work. She appreciates it. Not the daughter, so much. However I have 5 kids and I would rather that child be mad at me, then to get hurt by 2 male youths going into her home why mom is away. I hope and pray that my neighbors help me watch out for my kids as well. I hate it when I see a child out in our neighborhood riding their bikes. We live in a nice neighborhood but as we all know, child abductions happen EVERYWHERE and ANYWHERE. I am not willing to take that chance with my children. I never let them out front by themselves. They are always watched. I hate being like that, but the thought terrifies me. I wish we had more Kravitz/s in the world. Then Jaycee would have been found much much sooner, as would all these other babies.


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    Thank you for this thread. I read about 15 posts and got sick.
    I really mean I GOT SICK.
    Aware that it exists it is still very hard to read this stuff.
    I need a brake I will be back this is thread is so important for raising awareness.
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    we simply continue to fly... on a broomstick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by songline View Post
    Thank you for this thread. I read about 15 posts and got sick.
    I really mean I GOT SICK.
    Aware that it exists it is still very hard to read this stuff.
    I need a brake I will be back this is thread is so important for raising awareness.

    Thank You for visiting, awareness is the first step to solving a problem. I know that I can be very graffic and I appologize for that, but the things being put in the media (and from myself) are mild compared to the whole story. I was silent for years ----I never wanted to exploit my kids any more that they already have but this board has really helped me to speak out without dragging the children "out of the closet".

    Kimster THANK YOU again for helping to educate people so that change can happen. I continue to be amazed at how naive (some by choice b/c it is to painful to even fathom for us "normal" people) people are. I am not trying to bash or point fingers but I saw a response to my comment that these people truely have a tight knit undergroud gang so to speak. Responded with Yeah crack slums.
    ***THIS PROBLEM IS EVERYWHERE NOT JUST THE 'SLUM-CRACK HOUSES***

    quite the opposite, the operation of trafficing children is quite an intricate operation.
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    I wanted to add some more info ....( which has no link as it is my personal experience and conversations with the FBI)

    This info may be a repeat if you were upstair earlier...

    -People involved in child porn rings, prostitution and trafficing have certain "codes" to identify each other (just like different gangs have different signs ) Most times these are common nondiscript things like the way they word something and they are constantly changing to stay ahead of police. (a very rich famous talk show host did a show about pedophiles and talked about this--it was very informative and very accurate as to what my children experienced-I'll try to link but i'm not sure how to)

    -NEVER EVER put childrens pictures on the internet---it may seem innocent but they may be used for very dirty purposes. Another reason is you may inadvertently be telling someone that your child is available. (my kids pic were on net when they lived in the house of horrors and the Feds showed me ---it looked innocent to me. To me it just sounded like a very trusting person bragging about her kids with pics along.---FBI said thats how they knew the momster was not at all innocent but actually sought out these men. It was a way of showing what she had to offer ( its hard to even type that)
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    http://www.catwinternational.org/index.php

    Above is the link for the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women. They are loaded with excellent links and resources and info.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    Marc Klaas is going to be here on Tuesday for a live Chat. KlaasKids is a group that is front and center in the battle of human trafficking.

    Tuesday 7:00 PM Pacific 10: PM Eastern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belleyes View Post
    I wanted to add some more info ....( which has no link as it is my personal experience and conversations with the FBI)

    This info may be a repeat if you were upstair earlier...

    -People involved in child porn rings, prostitution and trafficing have certain "codes" to identify each other (just like different gangs have different signs ) Most times these are common nondiscript things like the way they word something and they are constantly changing to stay ahead of police. (a very rich famous talk show host did a show about pedophiles and talked about this--it was very informative and very accurate as to what my children experienced-I'll try to link but i'm not sure how to)

    -NEVER EVER put childrens pictures on the internet---it may seem innocent but they may be used for very dirty purposes. Another reason is you may inadvertently be telling someone that your child is available. (my kids pic were on net when they lived in the house of horrors and the Feds showed me ---it looked innocent to me. To me it just sounded like a very trusting person bragging about her kids with pics along.---FBI said thats how they knew the momster was not at all innocent but actually sought out these men. It was a way of showing what she had to offer ( its hard to even type that)
    Funny you should mention this. I actually wrote and emailed my NJ Congressmen almost 2 weeks ago. The was a photographer at my son's last football game. He took 364 pictures and handed out cards to go to his site if we wanted to purchase some. He wrote a disclaimer at the bottom informing "punishable by law if you illegally download his copywritten pictures". Well guess what, my son is the QB and was in about 250 of those pictures! There's no password to get into his site, anyone can view them from anywhere in the world. I called them and asked them to make their site private and to give me the originals of my son since I didn't give him permission to take my son's picture. I was very politely told that I am in the wrong & he is legally correct in his ability to snapshot my son since he was playing at our local midget football field - it's public not private. I said you can;t copywrite my son without my permission. I called the NJ State Assembly & was told to write to my NJ Congressmen. I talked to everyone that would listen and didn't get anywhere so I sent an email. I took screen prints of every single one of my son's pictures & I'd love for that guy to take me on in a court of law b/c I know I'll win...heck, maybe even have my son's college tuition paid for out of settlement. His company is nationwide and big. The laws that are in place right now regarding digital technology and picture rights were written many many many years ago & need an overhaul. Sooo, I'm in the process of putting together a professional letter, signed off on by myself and my lawyer, and I'm going to send it to the White House. Maybe I'll get somewhere. I know it's slightly off topic but it's really worth mentioning. Anybody could crop a pretty face and paste it on another body in photoshop, literally anybody, and sell it as child porn. I have no desire for someone to take my boy's pic & put it out there in droves on the internet. If he were in the acting business & he had my permission, that would be different. Now I guess I kinda know how famous people feel about having the media snap their children all the time. That's a stretch, but you get the drift. He's my son and I was literally told by the photographer that I have no rights to the pictures unless I buy them. Stupid idiot shouldn't have put them on the internet and I wouldn't have had access to take screenshots of them all


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    Hello WS

    Yes, thank you for this thread. It seems taboo to speak of these things but it should NOT BE. Awareness of this needs to get out. This subject is one that bothers me deeply, deeply. I think of the so called "adults" involved in this and I cannot wrap my mind around how sick they must be.

    I wish I had something constructive to add or say. I will follow the links and read here and try to educate myself. I feel slightly better knowing that the FBI is aware of this and working on it...but knowing that children are going through this RIGHT NOW as I sit here typing is almost more than I can stand. I want to go and save them all right now!

    I am adding a post to this thread because I want the thread to go on and on...I hope other WSers will come here and post at least once so that this is a huge thread. Let's make it a big deal, a big big huge deal-so that it becomes the talk of the world till we can stop this once and for all.

    I do worry that it is true that there are powerful people involved in things like this and that is sometimes why this subject is not in the news more. I worry there is money behind these crimes against children, and when there is money there are cover-ups. I wish evil could not hide.

    Thank God for people like Marc Klass! I will follow the links and come back here and post. Mr. Klass seems tireless in his efforts to save children. What an incredible man. He should be put on television, given his own show to create awareness. Thank you to the FBI agents who are working on these cases, imagine if there was no authorities doing so? Shutter...

    I am so glad to be around other people who find this exploitation of children unacceptable! Thank you WS!

    Bless all the hurt and abused children.

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    Thanks to belleyes for posting that information re "codes" these people use. I had no idea. I truly had no idea and I like to think I am pretty savvy. So thank you.

    If I can make a request, I'd like to see more of that kind of info in this thread, if possible. The more we know, the more we can protect our children.

    Thanks to Kimster for starting the thread, as well.


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