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    Quote Originally Posted by tiredblondy View Post
    When ABC11 Eyewitness News asked Coe what he thought happened to Davis he said he did not know.
    "I've been asked that by 13 detectives and everybody, I don't know and I tell you like I told the detectives, I don't think the mother had anything to do with it," he said. "Do I feel there might have been some negligence somewhere, yes I do."
    Coe says Antionette Davis, the child's mother, was his girlfriend and he says he wasn't at the mobile home when the child disappeared.
    "Every day I was there the little girl was never in the living room," Coe said. "Every night when I slept there the little girl was never in the living room, so all I can say is educated people figure it out."

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    I have read this as him saying every night I slept over there she was not sleeping in the living room, that is some BS story momster is telling about the night someone snatched her out of the house..... she was never in the living room when I slept over, but she was the night she was "taken", you guys are educated people, what does that tell you..... momster is lying. jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by doobiedoo52 View Post
    I posted my thoughts on this a day or two ago, but I agree with those who say MAM is not the one who paid for Shaniya. I think she was carried out to the couch very early in the morning for MAM to pick her up & take her to some John he lined up. I think the John had the room lined up and paid for. MAM walked right in the front door of the hotel and directly to the elevator and the room he was told to go to. That's why NG said they didn't know which room because he personally never checked in. Early reports said a dog tracked her scent to a specific room. When John was finished, MAM left with Shaniya--LE says they can't tell from the departure video what condition she's in-she's probably wrapped up in a blanket or something. I think MAM discovered she wasn't alive after he put her in the car. He panicked and dumped her. I also think the BOLO for 60 yr old man came from the description of the man who rented the room. His check in info was no doubt fake so they went with a hotel employee description--maybe he somehow missed being on video or pics weren't clear enough to ID.

    As to why egg donor called LE, I think her and Coe got into it about what she was doing with Shaniya--his remarks lead me to believe it had been going on already in the trailer.
    She tried to make him think she cared about the girl by calling 911 and then threw him under the bus after they talked to her.

    I haven't changed my opinion from this. I still think they will be looking for the 60 year old man as the actual killer, but I'm guessing the post mortem exam and DNA samples will either rule MAM out or hang him.
    That is a HELLO theory Doobiedoo and you could be right on.


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    Stupid woman. Those of us who love being a mom and cannot have more kids would have been blessed to have a sweet little girl like Shaniya.

    This makes me SOOOOO mad. What an adorable little girl. Just leave me in the room with Mom for five minutes, just five minutes!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by doobiedoo52 View Post
    I posted my thoughts on this a day or two ago, but I agree with those who say MAM is not the one who paid for Shaniya. I think she was carried out to the couch very early in the morning for MAM to pick her up & take her to some John he lined up. I think the John had the room lined up and paid for. MAM walked right in the front door of the hotel and directly to the elevator and the room he was told to go to. That's why NG said they didn't know which room because he personally never checked in. Early reports said a dog tracked her scent to a specific room. When John was finished, MAM left with Shaniya--LE says they can't tell from the departure video what condition she's in-she's probably wrapped up in a blanket or something. I think MAM discovered she wasn't alive after he put her in the car. He panicked and dumped her. I also think the BOLO for 60 yr old man came from the description of the man who rented the room. His check in info was no doubt fake so they went with a hotel employee description--maybe he somehow missed being on video or pics weren't clear enough to ID.

    As to why egg donor called LE, I think her and Coe got into it about what she was doing with Shaniya--his remarks lead me to believe it had been going on already in the trailer.
    She tried to make him think she cared about the girl by calling 911 and then threw him under the bus after they talked to her.

    I haven't changed my opinion from this. I still think they will be looking for the 60 year old man as the actual killer, but I'm guessing the post mortem exam and DNA samples will either rule MAM out or hang him.
    You're brilliant. One of the more likely scenarios that we've seen yet.
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    I'm still broken up about this case, so I made this - a memorial thread:

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    And then to bed, I think.

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    I remember reading somewhere that AD's mom said she worked double shifts. But then I read that her supervisor (or someone at her work?) said she worked part-time. (If it wasn't 1:00am I'd hunt down the links - maybe tomorrow!). I'm wondering if AD isn't a prostitute herself, working for MAM, hence her need to explain all of her working hours to her mom. MAM keeps her hooked for drugs - she owes him. Because of their "business", they then got the idea about using poor little Shaniya. Perhaps the "servitude" part of the mom's charges have to do with what some of think Coe is suggesting: MAM was really busy with customers for Shaniya... (can't believe I wrote that)... so the human trafficking/servitude wasn't in some far-off child sex ring in the future, it was happening already - in the trailer and nearby hotels.

    And some folks' theory about the perp at the hotel being a 3rd party and either killing her purposefully or accidentally could very well be what happened. Maybe that's why MAM *is* so confident and smug. His DNA won't be found, at least not this time.

    (What I just wrote sounds plausible, but I'm still not convinced it just wasn't MAM.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by belimom View Post
    I remember reading somewhere that AD's mom said she worked double shifts. But then I read that her supervisor (or someone at her work?) said she worked part-time. (If it wasn't 1:00am I'd hunt down the links - maybe tomorrow!). I'm wondering if AD isn't a prostitute herself, working for MAM, hence her need to explain all of her working hours to her mom. MAM keeps her hooked for drugs - she owes him. Because of their "business", they then got the idea about using poor little Shaniya. Perhaps the "servitude" part of the mom's charges have to do with what some of think Coe is suggesting: MAM was really busy with customers for Shaniya... (can't believe I wrote that)... so the human trafficking/servitude wasn't in some far-off child sex ring in the future, it was happening already - in the trailer and nearby hotels.

    And some folks' theory about the perp at the hotel being a 3rd party and either killing her purposefully or accidentally could very well be what happened. Maybe that's why MAM *is* so confident and smug. His DNA won't be found, at least not this time.

    (What I just wrote sounds plausible, but I'm still not convinced it just wasn't MAM.)
    I agree with this one and suspect it's close to right.
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    Not sure if this video has been posted...

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6434737/

    The father attended the vigil...

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    I am the same age as momster and for the past few weeks my neice has stayed with me 5 nights of the week. I am home alone since hubby has been working nights and I find comfort in her being here aside from my 14 month old daughter. I have a king size bed and she goes to bed in it and when I go to bed I get my baby from her bed and place her in the bed as well. When I wake up in the morning we are all snugged up close to each other with arms entangled and it is the best feeling anyone can imagine. I am sure Shaniya has had moments like this either with her dad, aunt, or older sister. I am sure in these moments she felt love and safe. I am going to go to bed tonight thanking god for the two beautiful children I am blessed to fall asleep looking at and wake up next too. I will also say my nightly prayer that god protects them both from the evils of this world as I try my hardest to do so as well. I also pray that little Shaniya is now at peace and is that happy little girl again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indycoolchick View Post
    Not sure if this video has been posted...

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6434737/

    The father attended the vigil...
    I saw a video earlier where moms aunt said there was no vigil tonight and a reporter asked her if there was would her family be attending and I believe she said yes we would definately be there. Does anyone know if the maternal family attended the vigil? Bet they didn't. The never showed that they cared before why act like it now!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart73 View Post
    The interview with the neighbor where Shaniya's blanket was found REALLY bothers me. I don't think she was involved, but in the interview she talks about someone knocking on her trailer. She said the knock continued for a bit and when it stopped she fell back to sleep. I can't help but think that maybe Shaniya was trying to get some help and the ruckus the neighbor heard was the monsters realizing that Shaniya wasn't in the trailer. Maybe if the neighbor had called LE instead of falling back to sleep things would be different.
    She clarified later that the lid was bumping against the porch. IMO, porch railing. My garbage can does the same thing when it's too close the a wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani_md View Post
    I saw a video earlier where moms aunt said there was no vigil tonight and a reporter asked her if there was would her family be attending and I believe she said yes we would definately be there. Does anyone know if the maternal family attended the vigil? Bet they didn't. The never showed that they cared before why act like it now!!!!
    Shaniya's Maternal grandmother was there.. but outside the edges of the crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotterdam View Post
    AD and Shaniya were not the only ones living in that trailer which probably only had two bedrooms. But you are right on one thing. That Couey monster was not living alone either yet the other two people claimed ignorance and got away with it, I believe.
    They way the law was at the time of Couey's crime, his family could not be held responsible for covering up for him. As a result of the Couey case, the law that previously gave a break to family members who covered and lied for other family members, was changed. It was wrongly thought that you'd expect people close to a perp to cover for them. Alot of states changed the law because of that case. And now LE is going after people like never before for obstruction of justice. My favorite is the, Buy a felon a gun and you do ten years, billboards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani_md View Post
    I saw a video earlier where moms aunt said there was no vigil tonight and a reporter asked her if there was would her family be attending and I believe she said yes we would definately be there. Does anyone know if the maternal family attended the vigil? Bet they didn't. The never showed that they cared before why act like it now!!!!
    She was there ...she doesn't believe her daughter said she wouldn't "Incriminate" her and then tried to change her words and went to "downgrade" her. She knows....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogicalMinds View Post
    SOOO true...however Coey's crackhead sister, neice and their dealer/lover were never charged and never did a day for sitting in a trailer, getting high while hearing that sweet little girl being raped repeatedly

    we have the brainiac cops of Florida to thank for that...they didn't read them their "miranda" rights and all their testimony was thrown out

    I just hope the cops here are crossing the t's, dotting the 'i's and doing it all by the book....I hope all of these scum are charged and put away and/or given the death penalry
    The law at the time prohibited the prosecution of family members for obstruction of justice. Now that excludes any crime against a child, IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doobiedoo52 View Post
    I posted my thoughts on this a day or two ago, but I agree with those who say MAM is not the one who paid for Shaniya. I think she was carried out to the couch very early in the morning for MAM to pick her up & take her to some John he lined up. I think the John had the room lined up and paid for. MAM walked right in the front door of the hotel and directly to the elevator and the room he was told to go to. That's why NG said they didn't know which room because he personally never checked in. Early reports said a dog tracked her scent to a specific room. When John was finished, MAM left with Shaniya--LE says they can't tell from the departure video what condition she's in-she's probably wrapped up in a blanket or something. I think MAM discovered she wasn't alive after he put her in the car. He panicked and dumped her. I also think the BOLO for 60 yr old man came from the description of the man who rented the room. His check in info was no doubt fake so they went with a hotel employee description--maybe he somehow missed being on video or pics weren't clear enough to ID.

    As to why egg donor called LE, I think her and Coe got into it about what she was doing with Shaniya--his remarks lead me to believe it had been going on already in the trailer.
    She tried to make him think she cared about the girl by calling 911 and then threw him under the bus after they talked to her.

    I haven't changed my opinion from this. I still think they will be looking for the 60 year old man as the actual killer, but I'm guessing the post mortem exam and DNA samples will either rule MAM out or hang him.
    This is incredible & very thought out. I do think it's plausible as I've thought this very same scenario. I also believe Shaniya was already in the process of being used, hence the feces on the blanket. Who knows how long she was rented out! After hearing that Antoinette has a 7 y/o son living there, as well as her sister and her sister's 2 y/o child, somebody had to know something prior to Shaniya's murder - I pretty much believe that! It's a freaking single wide trailer. How in the world could NOBODY hear Shaniya being taken away? Was the sister and the other two children not there? If not, where were they?

    Something I just thought of again, which came to my mind earlier today also, what about if it's not actually McNeill that's talking? Afterall, the police & FBI have informed he's been extremely uncooperative. I don;t for a second believe Antoinette sees the light so she's spilling all - no way. Maybe it's Coe that talked and that's why the charges against him were dropped completely. Sure, he has an alibi...but he also has a serious arrest record and the cops could have made it extremely hard on him and kept him longer to try to link him to this case somewhat. Maybe Coe fed the police the info about Shaniya being prostituted out.

    Now, Nancy Grace mentioned sodomy several times on her show tonight. She wouldn't specifically put that word out there unless she had some kind of inside knowledge. I do believe Shaniya was sodomized and that's the reason for the excrement on her blanket found in the neighbors trash. This would point to her already being victimized in the mobile home. So...if that's the case...who was there to victimize this little angel? Where was Antoinette's sister? McNeill is her ex. Is she on crack like Antoinette? Crack does some pretty crazy things to people. I wanna know if all of these children have been removed from their care. As far as I'm concerned, they're better off not being with ANY family member, even if they have to be split up, until LE gets to the facts in this case.

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    I was just on Wikipedia and came across Jessica's Law.... Seems like a worthy cause to take this back to Congress and have it passed as a National law... Just not a Florida law.

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    Jessica's Law is the informal name given to a 2005 Florida law, as well as laws in several other states, designed to punish sex offenders and reduce their ability to re-offend. A version of Jessica's Law, known as the Jessica Lunsford Act, was introduced at the federal level in 2005 but was never enacted into law by Congress.

    The name is also used by the media to designate all legislation and potential legislation in other states modeled after the Florida law. Forty-two states have introduced such legislation since Florida's law was passed.[1]

    The law is named after Jessica Lunsford, a young Florida girl who was raped and murdered in February 2005 by John Couey, a previously convicted sex offender. Public outrage over this case spurred Florida officials to introduce this legislation. Among the key provisions of the law are a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years in prison[2] and lifetime electronic monitoring[3] of adults convicted of lewd or lascivious acts against a victim less than 12 years old. In Florida, sexual battery or rape of a child less than twelve years old is punishable only by life imprisonment with no chance of parole.[4]

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    Quote Originally Posted by indycoolchick View Post
    Shaniya's Maternal grandmother was there.. but outside the edges of the crowd.
    I am sure many of us have family members whose lives we THINK we know about.

    I have developed a special place in my heart for Shaniya.....such a beautiful child! She was 5 years old, damnit, and fgs, an innocent baby who had undoubtedly an unconditional love and trust in the adults she lived with. I am livid with an anger that this baby was abused and murdered! I am sickened with thinking about what what was going through her little mind at the last moments..........all I can ask for is God's mercy, and for justice to be served in her name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie09 View Post
    She was there ...she doesn't believe her daughter said she wouldn't "Incriminate" her and then tried to change her words and went to "downgrade" her. She knows....
    Was this on a video? I missed it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiredblondy View Post
    Was this on a video? I missed it?
    at the end of the video

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiredblondy View Post
    Was this on a video? I missed it?

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6434737/


    The grandmother's comments are toward the end of the news piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiredblondy View Post
    Info on the neighbor's report...

    http://newsdeskinternational.wordpre...is-is-missing/



    Tuesday November 10 5:30am
    Antoinette Davis said she put Shaniya on the couch in their home, at 1116-A Sleepy Hollow Drive in Fayetteville. When she went to check on her daughter about an hour later, the girl was missing, Davis told police.
    An Amber Alert was initiated for Shaniya several hours later.
    Moore said she was awakened by noises outside her home at about 3 a.m. Tuesday.
    She thought someone was beating on her wall…She went back to sleep but was awakened later by police saying they were confiscating her trash can because it contained evidence in the disappearance of her young neighbor.
    Moore said she has no idea how the blanket got into her garbage can. She said police told her it was covered in feces and that feces was also found on the back porch of Davis’ home.The Davis family wasn’t allowed to return to the home Tuesday because officials deemed it a health hazard due to extensive sewage leaks.
    Police are looking at surveillance video of anyone who left the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park early Tuesday. Police said Tuesday that they suspected foul play in the case, noting that they doubted the child would have walked off on her own at that time of day.
    Police dogs searched the neighborhood and some nearby woods late Tuesday and didn’t pick up Shaniya’s scent. Investigators said the dogs would have picked up her trail if she had been walking around the area.


    OMG! Reading this makes me think she tried to run for help.
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    I'm going to bed. I can't take anymore.

    I pray tomorrow's sun will shine as brightly as Shaniya's smile. Good night all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adnoid View Post
    The Felony Murder rule is a thing of beauty. They only people I have ever seen opposed to it are criminals and their supporters, which should tell you something.
    oh im not opposed to it at all when it comes to a child being murdered hell i wish i were the one doing the injection ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zadari View Post
    oh im not opposed to it at all when it comes to a child being murdered hell i wish i were the one doing the injection ...
    If I were there she wouldn't make it to an injection. She would feel pain and torture. Maybe not the same as Shaniya but just as bad!!!
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