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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    It is my opinion that this all went wrong from the beginning. I believe Casey led LE out to universal to look at tapes to see if Caylee or the Zanny had been out there. She was just trying to help. At that point LE decided to interrogate her with 3 big mean guys against one young woman. At that point, they should have read her the Miranda rights. I do believe they were trying to trick a confession out of her. It didn't work and in the end they started asking questions again. Just the fact that they started asking questions again, showed me that they had no idea of what happened. When LE acts like this in a very unprofessional manner it raises red flags for me. So I will admit that I was suspicious of LE and SA from the beginning. Since then, they have not been able to come up with some strong evidence that she did it. It just leads me to believe they have been wrong all along. On this basis I believe she is NG.
    I respectfully disagree. I think the big mean guys were only trying to find Caylee. I honestly don't think they cared at that point anything about charging her, she was not their main priority..It was Caylee..
    Had they have found an alive Caylee..I would agree..
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    Quote Originally Posted by RR0004 View Post
    She took them there to get her phone...the fake one 'cause she left it at work. Don't you think if she had told them Caylee went to Universal on such and such day that the officers would have tried to get the tapes? Let's face it...at that point...Casey was spiraling out of control. The truth wasn't being twisted...her lies were twisted. Who lies to LE when their daughter is missing and they're her only resource to finding her?
    I just think this was a simple setup. They drove her around and got her to make some statements, then they challenged her on those statements to get a confession out of her. It didn't work!! So they started asking more questions. I would call it entrapment. They hadn't investigated enough at that point to know what the truth was. This looks like a bunch of keystone cops trying to figure out what happened. If I thought they were professional about it, I might not be questioning their intentions. Since this day, they have tried so hard to come up with some strong evidence. If they would just open their minds and let the witnesses speak, they may get to the truth of the matter. It seems in every interview they constantly interupt the witness while he or she is speaking. Well anyway, they will be lucky to use this interrogation in court. They should have read her the Miranda rights. In court they will let the witnesses have their say. And then we will find out what really happened. LE is way off, that is why I say NG


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    I believe she will be found guilty, I am up in the air about sentencing....If it is a bench trial, I am not sure Judge Strickland or any judge will be as stern as a jury will-no matter where the trial takes place. KC's actions will have the effect on a jury that it has had on most of us, I am certain.
    I hope they take the jury, and from there I think the jury has enough for the death penalty via premed. or felony homicide.
    Mitigating circumstances will be outweighed all around making for an easy conviction, MOO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    It is my opinion that this all went wrong from the beginning. I believe Casey led LE out to universal to look at tapes to see if Caylee or the Zanny had been out there. She was just trying to help. At that point LE decided to interrogate her with 3 big mean guys against one young woman. At that point, they should have read her the Miranda rights. I do believe they were trying to trick a confession out of her. It didn't work and in the end they started asking questions again. Just the fact that they started asking questions again, showed me that they had no idea of what happened. When LE acts like this in a very unprofessional manner it raises red flags for me. So I will admit that I was suspicious of LE and SA from the beginning. Since then, they have not been able to come up with some strong evidence that she did it. It just leads me to believe they have been wrong all along. On this basis I believe she is NG.
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    *LE wasn't screaming nor yelling and KC didn't sound scared and didn't sound intimidated, she was quite calm.
    If one listens to the interrogation one can hear how LE was talking to her. Here is the link to that interrogation:
    http://cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/au...6universal.wma
    *That is why they were asking her questions...to try and find out what happened to Caylee. You are absolutely right, LE had no idea what had happened to Caylee. Caylee was missing. KC is her mother. GA said the last time he saw Caylee she was with her Mother, KC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    I just think this was a simple setup. They drove her around and got her to make some statements, then they challenged her on those statements to get a confession out of her. It didn't work!! So they started asking more questions. I would call it entrapment. They hadn't investigated enough at that point to know what the truth was. This looks like a bunch of keystone cops trying to figure out what happened. If I thought they were professional about it, I might not be questioning their intentions. Since this day, they have tried so hard to come up with some strong evidence. If they would just open their minds and let the witnesses speak, they may get to the truth of the matter. It seems in every interview they constantly interupt the witness while he or she is speaking. Well anyway, they will be lucky to use this interrogation in court. They should have read her the Miranda rights. In court they will let the witnesses have their say. And then we will find out what really happened. LE is way off, that is why I say NG
    How was it a set up when she freely admitted that she didn't work there? She admitted that. She was read her miranda rights. Even that the door at Universal was not locked and she was free to walk out at anytime. She admitted she lied. LIED. How dumb are her parents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    I just think this was a simple setup. They drove her around and got her to make some statements, then they challenged her on those statements to get a confession out of her. It didn't work!! So they started asking more questions. I would call it entrapment. They hadn't investigated enough at that point to know what the truth was. This looks like a bunch of keystone cops trying to figure out what happened. If I thought they were professional about it, I might not be questioning their intentions. Since this day, they have tried so hard to come up with some strong evidence. If they would just open their minds and let the witnesses speak, they may get to the truth of the matter. It seems in every interview they constantly interupt the witness while he or she is speaking. Well anyway, they will be lucky to use this interrogation in court. They should have read her the Miranda rights. In court they will let the witnesses have their say. And then we will find out what really happened. LE is way off, that is why I say NG
    She should have asked for a lawyer...else, the rest is fair game to LE..
    If she is smart enough to get away for 31 days without her child, she is smart enough to ask for a lawyer..I personally don't think they have been trying to come up with evidence...it has fallen in their laps over the months, every since she first opened her mouth.
    What I don't understand is this..
    If Casey's story is so true, then why wait to prove it in a court of law? Morally you would think that someone who is missing a child would say the hell with my case, find my daughter..get a composite out there so this person doesn't take another child..nothing...nadda....
    The day we allow suspects to take over interrogations, will be the day there will be no more need for investigators. My opinion is that they did their jobs. Many parents out there Mark Klauss for instance would have demanded a polygraph in Casey situation...not given the detectives a trail of BS...
    I respect your opinion, but firmly disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TorisMom003 View Post
    Notthatsmart,

    In thread #2 you said "Is that true? Where is that doc? Did the state really offer a plea to Casey? I don't know how I missed this." I found an article on Baynews9 that was run on Tuesday March 10, 2009 that has a signed motion that Casey had handwritten that she refused to take a plea deal for a crime she did not commit. So I would say yes, the state did in fact offer a plea to Casey.
    In the very beginning of this case, the state offered Casey a plea bargain that had a deadline. If memory served me correctly, the date of that deadline was around the second week of August 2008. Baez dismissed the offer of a plea bargain outright without any further consideration and let the deadline date pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TorisMom003 View Post
    Notthatsmart,

    In thread #2 you said "Is that true? Where is that doc? Did the state really offer a plea to Casey? I don't know how I missed this." I found an article on Baynews9 that was run on Tuesday March 10, 2009 that has a signed motion that Casey had handwritten that she refused to take a plea deal for a crime she did not commit. So I would say yes, the state did in fact offer a plea to Casey.

    Thank you so much. Wow the state offering a plea aggrement in March of 09 after all the reports were in. That is huge. That means they have nothing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    I just think this was a simple setup. They drove her around and got her to make some statements, then they challenged her on those statements to get a confession out of her. It didn't work!! So they started asking more questions. I would call it entrapment. They hadn't investigated enough at that point to know what the truth was. This looks like a bunch of keystone cops trying to figure out what happened. If I thought they were professional about it, I might not be questioning their intentions. Since this day, they have tried so hard to come up with some strong evidence. If they would just open their minds and let the witnesses speak, they may get to the truth of the matter. It seems in every interview they constantly interupt the witness while he or she is speaking. Well anyway, they will be lucky to use this interrogation in court. They should have read her the Miranda rights. In court they will let the witnesses have their say. And then we will find out what really happened. LE is way off, that is why I say NG
    One needs to remember that a Child was missing, a child that hadn't been seen for "31" days. When LE is trying to find out what has happened to a missing child, I really don't think they care if they look like Keystone Cops - if that is what it takes to lead them to the safe return of a child.
    MO these will be heard in court. LE did nothing wrong. KC is not a child that was being interrogated by LE without her Mommy and Daddy there. Caylee was the child that needed her Mommy to protect her.
    Based on Released Evidence to date IMO Murder First Degree
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Thank you so much. Wow the state offering a plea aggrement in March of 09 after all the reports were in. That is huge. That means they have nothing.
    Ok sorry but you are totally stating mistruths and maybe you need to go to rumor thread. - I respect your opinion when it is your opinion but can not just say nothing when you keep posting things that are blantantly not true and posting them as fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    It is my opinion that this all went wrong from the beginning. I believe Casey led LE out to universal to look at tapes to see if Caylee or the Zanny had been out there. She was just trying to help. At that point LE decided to interrogate her with 3 big mean guys against one young woman. At that point, they should have read her the Miranda rights. I do believe they were trying to trick a confession out of her. It didn't work and in the end they started asking questions again. Just the fact that they started asking questions again, showed me that they had no idea of what happened. When LE acts like this in a very unprofessional manner it raises red flags for me. So I will admit that I was suspicious of LE and SA from the beginning. Since then, they have not been able to come up with some strong evidence that she did it. It just leads me to believe they have been wrong all along. On this basis I believe she is NG.
    KC directed LE to Universal because she said her phone was on her desk with important ZFG info on it-which was a lie. KC said, she worked at Universal-which was a lie. KC led LE to Sawgrass Apts. # 210 to look for ZFG-which was a lie. KC led LE to the old folks home and even pointed out ZFG apt.-which was a lie. KC stated to LE that bringing LE out to Universal was not going to help find Caylee. Talk about red flags with regard to lying. LE was right on to mistrust every word that came out of KC's mouth. All KC was worried about was her mother as she clearly stated in her interview with LE at Universal. Kind of sad that your more afraid of your mother than you are of finding your baby.


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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    I just think this was a simple setup. They drove her around and got her to make some statements, then they challenged her on those statements to get a confession out of her. It didn't work!! So they started asking more questions. I would call it entrapment. They hadn't investigated enough at that point to know what the truth was. This looks like a bunch of keystone cops trying to figure out what happened. If I thought they were professional about it, I might not be questioning their intentions. Since this day, they have tried so hard to come up with some strong evidence. If they would just open their minds and let the witnesses speak, they may get to the truth of the matter. It seems in every interview they constantly interupt the witness while he or she is speaking. Well anyway, they will be lucky to use this interrogation in court. They should have read her the Miranda rights. In court they will let the witnesses have their say. And then we will find out what really happened. LE is way off, that is why I say NG
    If LE wasn't supposed to ask her questions and drive her around and challenge her obvious lies ~ Then, pray tell, what would you expect them to do to try to find Caylee?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpectingUnicorns View Post
    notthatsmart,
    This is your post from the last thread, post #500 (bolding by me):

    Bold 1: I am pretty sure LE took Casey to Universal. It is LE that claimed it was her office. It is LE that said she led them down a hallway and turned around and said she doesn't work there. Quit putting words in Casey's mouth. That is exactly what LE did and they will be cross examined about it. They are going to have to provide proof that she lied. A tape would be nice. They should have read her her rights at that point before they ganged up on her and started interogating her. I stand by my question: Where is the proof that Casey lied to police? This is why I am on the fence here. If we want to get to the truth for Caylee, then we are going to have to understand that LE will come under cross examination.


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    If you contradict even what you, yourself, say how can you expect anyone to provide you with facts that would be meaningful to you? It appears you might have to stay on that fence if you keep arguing with yourself so much.
    Gosh highly technical there. Thanks I think the viewers got what I was saying. You can go ahead and try and make a fool out of me if you wish. I really don't take it personally. But at some point, can we get back to the evidence and the topic? I think she is NG based on these silly tactics by police. They really didn't know. They still don't know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Thank you so much. Wow the state offering a plea aggrement in March of 09 after all the reports were in. That is huge. That means they have nothing.
    The plea was not offered in March -09, it was offered months before Caylee was ever found. It was a plea for Casey to lead the officers to Caylee's where abouts. (IIRC)
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