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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    What mistruths are you talking about? Lets work this out so we can get to the truth. This is important to me to get to the truth for Caylee. She deserves the truth. I think Casey is NG. LE continues to try to find evidence but to no avail. I base my opinion of NG on LE's lack of evidence. Nothing really panned out for me.

    The trunk
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    The Enthomology report
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    The duct tape
    The Chloroform

    Most of this is all up for interpretation. I think the defense will make a good arguement for their interpretation. I have a good basis for my opinion of NG. They have not in anyway proven beyond a reasonable doubt that she is.
    Isn't it true that just a few weeks ago, you weren't even sure if Caylee was dead.

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    ITA in the sense that this is all about justice for Caylee. Not KC. KC made her own bed and slept in quite a few of them. Caylee is the victim and there is not one shred. Not one shred of evidence that proves that there ever was a nanny named Zanny. Since we already know that Casey is a proven liar. There is nothing else that points in the direction via cell phone pings, via location, via access to Caylee that would suggest that Caylee did die in the care of someone else. To wit: Caylee died in the care of KC. Casey Marie Anthony either killed her with malice or she maliciously neglected her. So if I was KC, and my daughter, say drowned in the family pool, I would be shouting from the roof tops that this was the way this sweet child's life ended. But yet, all we hear about is false nanny. False phone numbers. False addresses. Enough to make anyone sick. She is guilty. Period. The rest is just window dressing for Pier One or Ikea.
    Well so far as I can tell, they are sticking with the Nanny story. So get ready for trial. The jury will have to hear the SA prove that these were all lies. They will also have to prove that Caylee was in those woods the whole time. Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    I think the evidence does not prove guilty. I think it is obvious that someone else was involved. I don't know who that is. It is not the defenses job to find the perp or perps. I have some theories but truthfully I don't know what happened here. I believe LE is suffering the same dilema. After all the reports, they don't really know what happened either.

    I think the evidence points to a crime happening. I do not know who that indivdual or indivuals are.

    My explanation is simple. After all their efforts, there is still no proof that she did it. NG
    What do you feel specifically points to someone else being involved? Would you agree that the list of individuals that could be involved would be rather small? As in someone that was very close to Caylee. I'm not sure how anyone not close to Caylee would be able to gain possession of the child.

    Thank you for answering my original question also, I do appreaciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Gosh highly technical there. Thanks I think the viewers got what I was saying. You can go ahead and try and make a fool out of me if you wish. I really don't take it personally. But at some point, can we get back to the evidence and the topic? I think she is NG based on these silly tactics by police. They really didn't know. They still don't know.
    No...it's not "highly technical"...it's what was stated in your post. Claiming that LE was using "entrapment" and not being able to substantiate it is IMO reckless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    I think the evidence does not prove guilty. I think it is obvious that someone else was involved. I don't know who that is. It is not the defenses job to find the perp or perps. I have some theories but truthfully I don't know what happened here. I believe LE is suffering the same dilema. After all the reports, they don't really know what happened either.

    I think the evidence points to a crime happening. I do not know who that indivdual or indivuals are.

    My explanation is simple. After all their efforts, there is still no proof that she did it. NG
    How about this. I may live 100 miles from the closest town. My mother and I are the only two who live in the cabin. I leave for work. I come home to a freshly baked batch of chocolate chip cookies. Should I call my uncle and thank him for the cookies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Well so far as I can tell, they are sticking with the Nanny story. So get ready for trial. The jury will have to hear the SA prove that these were all lies. They will also have to prove that Caylee was in those woods the whole time. Good luck with that.
    Don't be surprised if DC flips and gets immunity for his testimony to the SA. Why do you think there his deposition has been postponed-working out a deal ....perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Well so far as I can tell, they are sticking with the Nanny story. So get ready for trial. The jury will have to hear the SA prove that these were all lies. They will also have to prove that Caylee was in those woods the whole time. Good luck with that.
    I would personally love to be in the courtroom when the day comes that verdict is read...and justice for Caylee is finally here.

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    Casey brought LE to Universal, her purported place of employment, and authorized them to enter her "office." LE has a right to question why her office is nonexistent. When suspect consents to a search and questions in connection with that search, LE does not have to inform the suspect of her right to refuse the search- and the state does not have to show that the suspect even KNEW of her RIGHT to refuse. Schneckloth v. Bustamonte, 412 U.S. 218.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Thank you so much. Wow the state offering a plea aggrement in March of 09 after all the reports were in. That is huge. That means they have nothing.
    My post on page 1 of this thread................

    In the very beginning of this case, the state offered Casey a plea bargain that had a deadline. If memory serves me correctly, the date of that deadline was around the second week of August 2008. Baez dismissed the offer of a plea bargain outright without any further consideration and let the deadline date pass.
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    What do you feel specifically points to someone else being involved? Would you agree that the list of individuals that could be involved would be rather small? As in someone that was very close to Caylee. I'm not sure how anyone not close to Caylee would be able to gain possession of the child.

    Thank you for answering my original question also, I do appreaciate it.
    Well in this case in particular, a lot of witnesses change their story in the second interview. The police can't find a body that is an obvious place. There are a lot of things in this case that just don't make sense.

    When things don't make a whole lot of sense, there is someone else involved. Have seen it all my life.

    First I would not rule out a predator. There was one caught within 4 miles of the Anthony's home early this year.. Yes it is possible that a predator took Caylee from the nanny and the nanny high tailed it out of there.

    Other than a predator, I would agree the list would be small.

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    notthatsmart, where is your evidence of "mean" interrogation tactics of LE? The defense has the burden of proving any violation of a constitutional protection. I guess I missed the evidence where Casey was waterboarded, since you compared LE's "mean" tactics here to the problems in military interrogations.

    Please provide me with the link for that? Or any caselaw to support your contentions at all...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    I think the evidence does not prove guilty. I think it is obvious that someone else was involved. I don't know who that is. It is not the defenses job to find the perp or perps. I have some theories but truthfully I don't know what happened here. I believe LE is suffering the same dilema. After all the reports, they don't really know what happened either.

    I think the evidence points to a crime happening. I do not know who that indivdual or indivuals are.

    My explanation is simple. After all their efforts, there is still no proof that she did it. NG
    I think you mean.. In your opinion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    It is my opinion that this all went wrong from the beginning. I believe Casey led LE out to universal to look at tapes to see if Caylee or the Zanny had been out there. She was just trying to help. At that point LE decided to interrogate her with 3 big mean guys against one young woman. At that point, they should have read her the Miranda rights. I do believe they were trying to trick a confession out of her. It didn't work and in the end they started asking questions again. Just the fact that they started asking questions again, showed me that they had no idea of what happened. When LE acts like this in a very unprofessional manner it raises red flags for me. So I will admit that I was suspicious of LE and SA from the beginning. Since then, they have not been able to come up with some strong evidence that she did it. It just leads me to believe they have been wrong all along. On this basis I believe she is NG.
    LOL- these are cops- the way they were with Casey while at Universal is completely "professional". It's their job to get suspects to talk and any way they can go about doing that without breaking any laws themselves is professional (to their profession). IMO they could have been (and in my experience LE often ARE much worse, not so nice as they were to her) much worse.. yelling at her, getting in her face, claming her friends or family told LE things that they never said... they didn't even play good cop, bad cop with her.

    So while you may not like the way LE is allowed to handle suspects, it seems to me they stayed within the confines of the law. Trust me, this was nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    I think the evidence does not prove guilty. I think it is obvious that someone else was involved. I don't know who that is. It is not the defenses job to find the perp or perps. I have some theories but truthfully I don't know what happened here. I believe LE is suffering the same dilema. After all the reports, they don't really know what happened either.

    I think the evidence points to a crime happening. I do not know who that indivdual or indivuals are.

    My explanation is simple. After all their efforts, there is still no proof that she did it. NG
    Thank you for explaeining that, MP

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Well in this case in particular, a lot of witnesses change their story in the second interview. The police can't find a body that is an obvious place. There are a lot of things in this case that just don't make sense.

    When things don't make a whole lot of sense, there is someone else involved. Have seen it all my life.

    First I would not rule out a predator. There was one caught within 4 miles of the Anthony's home early this year.. Yes it is possible that a predator took Caylee from the nanny and the nanny high tailed it out of there.

    Other than a predator, I would agree the list would be small.
    ...and seeing as this is new knowledge for you (I remember the post)...I'll assume that list was even shorter not that long ago.
    Why hasn't Casey sought justice for her child?

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    No...it's not "highly technical"...it's what was stated in your post. Claiming that LE was using "entrapment" and not being able to substantiate it is IMO reckless.
    Not reckless at all. They were trying to trick a confession out of her and when it didn't work, they went back questions again. Simple

    Anyone can be nice to someone and then be mean to them by accusing them of lying, intimidate them and try to trick them out of some statement. Their intentions were evil. It didn't work. It is a form of entrapment considering all the power LE has. These are good reasons to beware of LE and their intentions. I think it got out of hand and they made a huge mistake here. She is NG in my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Well in this case in particular, a lot of witnesses change their story in the second interview. The police can't find a body that is an obvious place. There are a lot of things in this case that just don't make sense.

    When things don't make a whole lot of sense, there is someone else involved. Have seen it all my life.

    First I would not rule out a predator. There was one caught within 4 miles of the Anthony's home early this year.. Yes it is possible that a predator took Caylee from the nanny and the nanny high tailed it out of there.

    Other than a predator, I would agree the list would be small.
    I think CA did leave a telephone message with LE that KC must have had help murdering Caylee. Now that is KC's mother talking can you find anyone who knows KC any better than her mother. Those words will haunt CA for the rest of her life. No wonder her daughter hates her. Just listen to KC's friends describe how KC felt about her mother. The sadness is KC hated her mother more than she loved Caylee that's why that baby is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RR0004 View Post
    ...and seeing as this is new knowledge for you (I remember the post)...I'll assume that list was even shorter not that long ago.
    Why hasn't Casey sought justice for her child?
    Justice for her child is getting to the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The officers of the court will be on a fact finding mission. Casey is part of this process. Her Lawyers are officers of the court. She is part of the process of finding the truth. So yes, she is seeking justice for Caylee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpectingUnicorns View Post
    How about this. I may live 100 miles from the closest town. My mother and I are the only two who live in the cabin. I leave for work. I come home to a freshly baked batch of chocolate chip cookies. Should I call my uncle and thank him for the cookies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Well so far as I can tell, they are sticking with the Nanny story. So get ready for trial. The jury will have to hear the SA prove that these were all lies. They will also have to prove that Caylee was in those woods the whole time. Good luck with that.
    Well since no one has been found to match the description of the totally hot to trot nanny who baby sits for free...yea...I would say...good luck to the defense. They are all lies. Including the "I just got a phone call from Caylee today on my phone" stick a fork in KC. She is done. And not worth all of the energy you are putting forth here. I mean that as a compliment. I live in Texas so I don't have any say in the prosecution of this case. What I do know is that she was NOT arrested on a whim and is guilty of something. What the evidence shows thus far is that she let her dead child roll around in the trunk leaking dead decomp all over. Beyond that, more evidence is needed IMHO to show premeditation. But to back KC, is like backing the Detroit Lions to win the Super Bowl. Ain't ever going to happen. Just like showing faith in KC is well...giving her money and expecting her to pay you back. Ain't never going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Not reckless at all. They were trying to trick a confession out of her and when it didn't work, they went back questions again. Simple

    Anyone can be nice to someone and then be mean to them by accusing them of lying, intimidate them and try to trick them out of some statement. Their intentions were evil. It didn't work. It is a form of entrapment considering all the power LE has. These are good reasons to beware of LE and their intentions. I think it got out of hand and they made a huge mistake here. She is NG in my opinion
    Well all I can say is if the defense felt this way I'm sure we would have seen a motion by now.
    You still haven't answered my question...why isn't Casey seeking justice for her child? Yes, you're right...it's not the defense's job to find the "guilty" person (though you'd think they'd be vested in that)...but a mother would.

    PS- the comments that are being made about trickery and entrapment are inflammatory and that IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Justice for her child is getting to the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The officers of the court will be on a fact finding mission. Casey is part of this process. Her Lawyers are officers of the court. She is part of the process of finding the truth. So yes, she is seeking justice for Caylee.
    But you said that the defense doesn't have to find the guilty person...the one who actually killed Caylee...so how is anything short of that the "truth"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Well in this case in particular, a lot of witnesses change their story in the second interview. The police can't find a body that is an obvious place. There are a lot of things in this case that just don't make sense.

    When things don't make a whole lot of sense, there is someone else involved. Have seen it all my life.

    First I would not rule out a predator. There was one caught within 4 miles of the Anthony's home early this year.. Yes it is possible that a predator took Caylee from the nanny and the nanny high tailed it out of there.

    Other than a predator, I would agree the list would be small.
    Certainly changing stories cannot be a weight factor for you because Casey and the entire Anthony family have changed their stories numerous times. If that is not important that she/they did it then witness recollections changing should hold no more or less value. So why is it okay for Casey and not them (which I'm not even sure they changed their stories)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Not reckless at all. They were trying to trick a confession out of her and when it didn't work, they went back questions again. Simple

    Anyone can be nice to someone and then be mean to them by accusing them of lying, intimidate them and try to trick them out of some statement. Their intentions were evil. It didn't work. It is a form of entrapment considering all the power LE has. These are good reasons to beware of LE and their intentions. I think it got out of hand and they made a huge mistake here. She is NG in my opinion
    Do you understand LE was trying to find a baby that was missing for thirty one days? KC had the answers to that question. Wouldn't you want to know if that was your granddaughter where that baby was even if it meant asking tough questions to the last person who saw that baby?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    Well in this case in particular, a lot of witnesses change their story in the second interview. The police can't find a body that is an obvious place. There are a lot of things in this case that just don't make sense.

    When things don't make a whole lot of sense, there is someone else involved. Have seen it all my life.

    First I would not rule out a predator. There was one caught within 4 miles of the Anthony's home early this year.. Yes it is possible that a predator took Caylee from the nanny and the nanny high tailed it out of there.

    Other than a predator, I would agree the list would be small.
    Thank you again for answering my questions. It does help me understand how someone could be unsure of Casey's guilt. So you do believe in the nanny story. I thought that you might but did not want to make any assumptions. If you don't mind I do have a few more questions so that I could understand completely.

    1. If there is a nanny, how was this nanny paid and who paid her? Casey did not have a job (as far as I can tell) and has not paid or filed taxes since 2004 if I am not mistaken. Cindy has not come forward and said that she paid for a nanny although she has admitted to buying clothes, pull-ups, etc for Caylee.

    2. Why are there no pictures in the thousands that Casey has of the nanny, of the nanny's home or of Caylee in the nanny's home? My oldest daughter stayed with a friend of the family for 2 years when she was little while I worked and I have pictures of her in her sitter's home, sitter's car and with her sitter.

    3. Why can no one give LE a correct address and phone number for the nanny? If Casey truly took Caylee to the nanny's house on the days that she "worked" then she would know her address.

    4. Why has no one ever spoken to the nanny? Cindy, George and Casey's friends all say they have never talked to or heard the nanny's voice. I can't understand a grandparent who has the child living with them not knowing who is taking care of said child.

    5. If the nanny is the one that took Caylee and killed her (I hate saying that) why did Casey wait until Cindy pressed her after 31 days to let anyone know that her child was missing? I have always heard that the first 48 hours are crucial when a person is missing or has been killed. To sit and wait for that length of time while not showing any concern for her child makes her seem either guilty or heartless.

    Anyway, thanks again for answering my questions and trying to help me understand the "other side of the coin" so to speak as to how someone could be convinced that Casey is not guilty.

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