NY NY - Plainview, Wht/HispMale 23-57, UP140, Members Only jacket, Bulova watch, hair pick, Mar'04

Jubble · Nov 19, 2009

PLAINVIEW, N.Y. (CBS) @ Police are using modern technology to solve the ultimate cold case. Investigators were actually able to reconstruct the face of the victim whose remains
may have been buried for more than 20 years.
It was March 2004 when state troopers responded to a car crash on the Northern State Parkway in Plainview. It was there rescuers stumbled
onto bones unearthed in a shallow grave. Now, through the wonders of modern science, those skeletal remains believed buried for 27 years,
now have a face.

http://wcbstv.com/technology/cold.case.face.2.1321004.html#addComments

NamUS - https://identifyus.org/cases/140

distracted 1976 · Nov 19, 2009

With his height being only 5'2" I would think we should be able to narrow this down considerably.

dreamweaver · Nov 19, 2009

So, we need to start looking at men missing at 20 or 25 years ago.
The members only jacket makes sense.

TripleA · Nov 21, 2009

The dates don't match up, but the face looks similar and the geographical area is nearby.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/grullon_felix.html

TripleA · Nov 21, 2009

This man has dates that match up and his look is similar, but his height is off.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jamison_william.html

TripleA · Nov 21, 2009

This young man looks very similar, but again, the height is off. I wish we could get that height of 5'2" on UID confirmed.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/fox_frank.html

TripleA · Nov 21, 2009

Maybe I should have collected all of these for one post.

This man has similar appearance, area, and time of disappearance, but height is off.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/griffin_micheal.html

LovinTK · Nov 21, 2009

I've been searching and searching for a possible match and you'd think it would be easy to at least come up with a couple of possibilities based off of JD's height alone but so far I haven't had much luck. So far I've went through 1982-1985 on the Charley Project website and have come up with pretty much nothing.

I found this guy that is unlikely because of his height which is listed at 5' 8" (JD is listed as 5' 2") but something about the face looks similar to me -

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baracosa_donald.html

I've seen a couple that looked somewhat similar to the JD sketch but they were much too tall to be even remotely possible.

I also found this man but it seems very unlikely for a number of reasons. First of all he was from Michigan. The men who were believed to have murdered him were charged with the crime and they were a couple of hunters that lived out in the woods off of the land so I doubt they would drive all that way to bury him. It does not list his height however and you never know.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tyll_david.html

I'm off to keep looking for a match.

Billylee · Nov 21, 2009

The article states that the john doe was found in 2004 and has been buried since around 1977. But he was wearing a jacket imported in 1982. Okay, I'm no math wizard, but did he import a jacket while underground? So if the jacket was only a year or so old, then the earliest he could have been buried is 1982/83. So if he was estimated at 30 at time of death, then his dob would be 1952/53 or thereabouts. Second question to all you fashion moguls out there, were men still wearing bell bottom pants in 82/83, was that about disco fever time, Saturday Night Fever I can't remember, I'm getting old.

LovinTK · Nov 21, 2009

I'm just updating that I went through from 1982-1986 now and I'm still not coming up with any really good matches. Here is what I came up with for 1986 -

This guy seems too young as the police believe JD was about 30 years old and he's from CA -

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/boldt_christian.html

What do you guys think about this man? -

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/murguia_freddy.html

I found this man and the age and height fit. It says that he is Asian but to me he looks like he could pass for biracial or Hispanic. I think their are similarities between the JD sketch and his picture. -

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hy_nam.html

Well I'm done searching for the night but I'll keep looking tomorrow if I have time. I'm sorry the possible matches I've posted tonight are so unlikely to actually be JD but I've looked through hundreds of missing people and I'm just not finding any great matches for this man. I hope that I or someone else here has better luck tomorrow.

Billylee · Nov 21, 2009

Also they found a plastic "hair pick" in his pocket. The only guys that used hair picks had curly hair and usually wore in sort of Afro style, that I remember anyway.

polywog · Nov 21, 2009

I wonder if he could have been a jockey, exercise rider, or someone associated with the track? Aqueduct is not too far away. Maybe an ex-jockey turned gambler or bookie? That can be a real vagabond lifestyle. Obviously robbery wasn't a motive, with the $600 watch. Very mysterious.

polywog · Nov 21, 2009

Billylee said:
Also they found a plastic "hair pick" in his pocket. The only guys that used hair picks had curly hair and usually wore in sort of Afro style, that I remember anyway.

Hmmm... I didn't see that detail. All the more reason to wonder if he was a jockey, so many Latin Americans in that field. If he came from another country to race, then he probably wouldn't be on the Doe Network.

LovinTK · Nov 21, 2009

Billylee said:
The article states that the john doe was found in 2004 and has been buried since around 1977. But he was wearing a jacket imported in 1982. Okay, I'm no math wizard, but did he import a jacket while underground? So if the jacket was only a year or so old, then the earliest he could have been buried is 1982/83. So if he was estimated at 30 at time of death, then his dob would be 1952/53 or thereabouts. Second question to all you fashion moguls out there, were men still wearing bell bottom pants in 82/83, was that about disco fever time, Saturday Night Fever I can't remember, I'm getting old.

I noticed the same thing too and thought it was odd. I've been searching through people who went missing starting in 1982 but it would be nice to know if that was a typo and the article meant to state that the jacket was from 1972. I'm not sure about the fashion at the time but I would imagine that there are a lot of men who just wear whatever they have in the closet because they don't care to go shopping for clothes.

polywog · Nov 21, 2009

LovinTK said:
I noticed the same thing too and thought it was odd. I've been searching through people who went missing starting in 1982 but it would be nice to know if that was a typo and the article meant to state that the jacket was from 1972. I'm not sure about the fashion at the time but I would imagine that there are a lot of men who just wear whatever they have in the closet because they don't care to go shopping for clothes.

Member's Only: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_Only

Definitely '80s jacket, since they have the manufacturing date down. Gotta think about the bell bottoms, that seems off for the '80s. The fancy watch makes me think he was probably someone who cared about his clothes.

Danaya · Nov 21, 2009

Since they recovered pants I think it's safe to say the height is accurate. I don't know many guys who wear capris. Also, they recovered all bones so they can definately know and good height estimate, I think.

Danaya · Nov 21, 2009

LovinTK said:
What do you guys think about this man? -

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/murguia_freddy.html

Don't think so, that guy was last seen wearing a black watch and different clothes. Also, he had a gold pendant necklace on and I think the UID would have had it as well if that was him.

polywog · Nov 21, 2009

Jacket was a windbreaker; with the LS shirt he must have been buried in the spring or fall. Going along my jockey thoughts, I forgot to mention that Belmont is not too far from there either. It's just odd to me that money AND the expensive watch weren't taken from his body before he was buried.

I wonder if he was definitely buried? Maybe he was walking down 495 at night and got hit and and thrown into the median strip, and was somehow not seen from the road.

Billylee · Nov 21, 2009

http://www.rubylane.com/shops/borntoolatevintage/item/RL-1940stanginghamplus281x2f326

I'm guessin' this is the jacket he had on? And yes Sat. Night Fever was in 78, which really kicked the disco era off, so 82/3 would have still been sportin' the bell bottom pants.

polywog · Nov 21, 2009

Billylee said:
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/borntoolatevintage/item/RL-1940stanginghamplus281x2f326

I'm guessin' this is the jacket he had on? And yes Sat. Night Fever was in 78, which really kicked the disco era off, so 82/3 would have still been sportin' the bell bottom pants.

Good Find! Here's something I found re: the bell bottoms, from a google search:

The early 80s clothing trends are tight fitting remnants of 70s styles. Although the bell bottoms dont flare out as much and the afros are much more conservative, 70s clothes could still pass up into 1983.

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