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    Remains in Trunk and the A's

    Forgive me if this has already been discussed.........I think it is possible that one of the A's disposed of the remains in the woods.....Hear me out.....LE did not search nor take possession of the pontiac until the evening of the 17th of July. When CA cleaned out the car (washed the pants etc) isn't it plausible that she also checked the trunk where she knew the odor was coming from and saw what her daughter was hiding? I think the opportunity for disposal would have been in the wee hours leading into the morning of the 17th when LE took KC for her statement. It could also explain how DC knew where to look in the woods. I know the forensic botanists and entomologists have stated that it is most likely the remains were there since approximately June 20thish, but IMO there still is the possibility that they were dumped a month later, coffin flies and all, (since the coffin flies would have been sealed inside the plastic garbage bags) and then further contained once one of the A's placed their find in the handy dandy laundry bag. With all of the rain and weather I still think it very possible that the amount of growth of plants etc thru the bones would still present as they did. The remains were not found until Dec 11. (that is 5 months as opposed to 6). I think it was LA. Thoughts anyone? MOO

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    Also, at the tow yard, no one lifted the spare tire cover and looked under it, just a look in the trunk and the disposal of the white trash bag.

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    I have also wondered about this scenario. For the life of me, I cannot understand why GA, an ex homocide detective, would smell THAT smell and then drive the car home instead of calling LE. Let's see! You haven't seen or talked to your granddaughter for a month. Her mother, your daughter, a known habitual liar and thief, has been MIA from the home for the same month, avoiding contact with anyone in the family. You find out her car has been impounded. Upon finding the car at the towyard, you discover it smells of death, so you give a quick look in the trunk whilst standing with the towyard guy, muttering prayers that it not be your daughter or granddaughter, and then you......DRIVE IT HOME? Uh uh! I have found this very odd since the beginning. However, since the beginning, I have found that the A family is a secretive bunch. So, who knows.




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    There would have been far more decomp. evidence in the trunk were that the case. A month in the trunk of the car in the Florida heat June/July would have meant much of the body would have been reduced to fluids. Plus the body has already been identified as only being in the trunk for 2.6 days. Listen to the 911 call from Cindy. It is REAL. She was truly upset and why would she have called 911. It would have been swept under the rug. Explaining to the relatives would be a story how KC volunteered to give Caylee to the father's family for adoption because they had lost their son and wanted to raise her. With all the lies coming from the A's this would have been easy for them to explain. Plus Cindy would NEVER have put the baby's body near her home if they decided to go with the kidnapping story. She would have put it in Jesse's dumpster. JMO

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    I agree that there is something very hinky about CA's and GA's reaction to the smell in the car. I think they did a lot of cleaning before LE impounded it. I think George or Cindy would have buried Caylee. Only Casey would be heartless enough to put her in garbage bags and basically toss her on the side of the road like trash left over from a visit to a fast food place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suepitzl View Post
    Forgive me if this has already been discussed.........I think it is possible that one of the A's disposed of the remains in the woods.....Hear me out.....LE did not search nor take possession of the pontiac until the evening of the 17th of July. CA has a discussion with Yuri about how long it took them to pick-up the car-She told the media it was 2-3 days, when it was only one....why did CA lie about this? When Yuri pushed her, she admitted it was only there one day.When CA cleaned out the car (washed the pants etc) isn't it plausible that she also checked the trunk where she knew the odor was coming from and saw what her daughter was hiding? I have to think on this part, I dunno what SimonB will say... I think the opportunity for disposal would have been in the wee hours leading into the morning of the 17th when LE took KC for her statement. Just to be clear, you think Caylee's body was in the trunk but not in a bag? That she was bagged by CA? It could also explain how DC knew where to look in the woods. I know the forensic botanists and entomologists have stated that it is most likely the remains were there since approximately June 20thish, but IMO there still is the possibility that they were dumped a month later, coffin flies and all, (since the coffin flies would have been sealed inside the plastic garbage bags) and then further contained once one of the A's placed their find in the handy dandy laundry bag. With all of the rain and weather I still think it very possible that the amount of growth of plants etc thru the bones would still present as they did. The botanists timeline is very broad, IIRC the window they gave was within a few weeks of accuracy. The remains were not found until Dec 11. (that is 5 months as opposed to 6). I think it was LA. Thoughts anyone? MOO
    Red additions by me, very interesting theory....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    There would have been far more decomp. evidence in the trunk were that the case. A month in the trunk of the car in the Florida heat June/July would have meant much of the body would have been reduced to fluids. Plus the body has already been identified as only being in the trunk for 2.6 days. Listen to the 911 call from Cindy. It is REAL. She was truly upset and why would she have called 911. It would have been swept under the rug. Explaining to the relatives would be a story how KC volunteered to give Caylee to the father's family for adoption because they had lost their son and wanted to raise her. With all the lies coming from the A's this would have been easy for them to explain. Plus Cindy would NEVER have put the baby's body near her home if they decided to go with the kidnapping story. She would have put it in Jesse's dumpster. JMO
    According to the Body Farm results Caylee lay on the trunk carpet for 2.6 days. This was determined from scrapings of the VFA, butyric acid, gathered from the trunk liner. She may have been wrapped in her blue Winnie the Pooh blanket since blue fibers were found in the hairmass and no trunk carpet fibers were found on the clothes at the remains site or in her hair. Because the trunk was sealed closed, bugs attracted to early decomp could not get into the trunk thus explaining their absence. After 2.6 days she was most likely bagged which stopped any further decomp from seeping onto the trunk carpet. The bagging caused an anerobic condition and sped up the decomp process and adipocere formed. According to the entomology report she remained further decomposing in the trunk luring corpse fauna attracted to advanced decomp. The coffin flies can get into the smallest crevices. Dr. Haskell opines on page 8 of the entomology report that "any decomposing carrion" was disposed between June 20th and 27th.



    As to being in the spare tire wheel base, it is my opinion the bag was on top of the liner versus under.

    Note: This is my interpretation of several reports and consolidation of the information. I welcome any challenges to this theory and scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phumi View Post
    I agree that there is something very hinky about CA's and GA's reaction to the smell in the car. I think they did a lot of cleaning before LE impounded it. I think George or Cindy would have buried Caylee. Only Casey would be heartless enough to put her in garbage bags and basically toss her on the side of the road like trash left over from a visit to a fast food place.
    Someone mentioned in another thread that if the trunk had been throroughly cleaned, there would not be so many (10-12, don't remember exactly) hairs left behind, why was there dirt still in the trunk, etc....

    I did not answer on that thread, but you've made me think about it again-I was in the janitorial supply business for a while, and I know that there are vast differences in the results you can get using different chemicals and machinery. If you utilize a household carpet cleaner/vacuum, you will not get the same results you get with commercial machines. Hairs will tend to intertwine and cling with carpet fibers-the power of the machine, and whether the machine has brushes or not will be a determining factor as to how clean the surface will be left-
    The cleaning chemicals, if used, might have been cheap...if surfactants are used, the surface will be a little more slippery/giving of debris. Professional detailers use commercial chemicals rather than household products-Household products contain more perfumes and dyes, and the active ingredient can be diminished to keep the product's cost to the retail consumer at a reasonable rate.

    The dirt left behind might just be dirt left behind. If objects were removed from the trunk and then placed back into the trunk, they could have been contaminated with dirt. The nozzle of the cleaning machine can push dirt out to the corners and edges.
    Just some thoughts on how there could still be evidence in the trunk even after it was cleaned.

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    At this point I dont think anything would surprise me about the A's. However I am inclined to think no for two reasons:
    1- the genuine panic in Cindy's voice in the 3rd 911 call. It was her most genuine and raw moment in the entire story.
    2- if they were trying to cover for Casey, there are a million places in FL to make a body disappear forever. It wouldnt be logical to put Caylee's body there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suepitzl View Post
    Forgive me if this has already been discussed.........I think it is possible that one of the A's disposed of the remains in the woods.....Hear me out.....LE did not search nor take possession of the pontiac until the evening of the 17th of July. When CA cleaned out the car (washed the pants etc) isn't it plausible that she also checked the trunk where she knew the odor was coming from and saw what her daughter was hiding? I think the opportunity for disposal would have been in the wee hours leading into the morning of the 17th when LE took KC for her statement. It could also explain how DC knew where to look in the woods. I know the forensic botanists and entomologists have stated that it is most likely the remains were there since approximately June 20thish, but IMO there still is the possibility that they were dumped a month later, coffin flies and all, (since the coffin flies would have been sealed inside the plastic garbage bags) and then further contained once one of the A's placed their find in the handy dandy laundry bag. With all of the rain and weather I still think it very possible that the amount of growth of plants etc thru the bones would still present as they did. The remains were not found until Dec 11. (that is 5 months as opposed to 6). I think it was LA. Thoughts anyone? MOO
    Ok...I'm confused...I thought Casey went with LE on the 16th...and never really left their custody as she was arrested later that day.


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    No, I think Caylee was disposed of whatever day KC texted Amy about the fact that there 'was definitely a part of a dead animal plastered..' to her car.

    She was done with getting rid of the 'animal' smell and texted Amy indicating her relief. KC is pretty transparent.
    The above is my opinion only based on published accounts of the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jayla View Post
    Someone mentioned in another thread that if the trunk had been throroughly cleaned, there would not be so many (10-12, don't remember exactly) hairs left behind, why was there dirt still in the trunk, etc....

    I did not answer on that thread, but you've made me think about it again-I was in the janitorial supply business for a while, and I know that there are vast differences in the results you can get using different chemicals and machinery. If you utilize a household carpet cleaner/vacuum, you will not get the same results you get with commercial machines. Hairs will tend to intertwine and cling with carpet fibers-the power of the machine, and whether the machine has brushes or not will be a determining factor as to how clean the surface will be left-
    The cleaning chemicals, if used, might have been cheap...if surfactants are used, the surface will be a little more slippery/giving of debris. Professional detailers use commercial chemicals rather than household products-Household products contain more perfumes and dyes, and the active ingredient can be diminished to keep the product's cost to the retail consumer at a reasonable rate.

    The dirt left behind might just be dirt left behind. If objects were removed from the trunk and then placed back into the trunk, they could have been contaminated with dirt. The nozzle of the cleaning machine can push dirt out to the corners and edges.
    Just some thoughts on how there could still be evidence in the trunk even after it was cleaned.
    Perhaps Casey used the KIWI brand sport shoe cleaner with the little scrub brush attached to try to clean up the worst of the stain and finish the job off with the paper towels. Both items were in bag of trash found in her trunk. The paper towels had that waxy substance on them and the scrubby brush is stained, but that could of course be from cleaning shoes.Both items are photographed and in police evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophie01 View Post
    Perhaps Casey used the KIWI brand sport shoe cleaner with the little scrub brush attached to try to clean up the worst of the stain and finish the job off with the paper towels. Both items were in bag of trash found in her trunk. The paper towels had that waxy substance on them and the scrubby brush is stained, but that could of course be from cleaning shoes.Both items are photographed and in police evidence.
    I believe the waxy substance was "grave wax", or adipocere, wasn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cecybeans View Post
    I believe the waxy substance was "grave wax", or adipocere, wasn't it?
    Yes, couldn't recall the name of it. I wonder if they tested the scrub brush to see if it might have been there too.

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    For me one of the strongest pieces of evidence is from Botanist David Hall who determined Caylees' remains were in the exact place she was found for at least 4 months, and possibly as long as 6 mos.


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