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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    That makes it even more shameful.

    Yes, I know the benefits would be for him but she will be in charge of how the money is spent since he is a minor and she is the guardian.

    Whether he is ever convicted for his father's murder or not, I really don't think there is a doubt in the world that he did indeed murder both men.

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    Of course. But the way the case was prosecuted allowed for this to happen. I really wonder what Vincent would have wanted....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    Of course. But the way the case was prosecuted allowed for this to happen. I really wonder what Vincent would have wanted....
    Knowing that his own child lay in wait and murdered him in cold blood???

    I think he would want anything but this. I think if he had his choice (which he wasn't given a choice) he would have wanted to live out his life just like everyone else has a right to do.

    I don't think he would have wanted his kid to be rewarded for criminal behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    Knowing that his own child lay in wait and murdered him in cold blood???

    I think he would want anything but this. I think if he had his choice (which he wasn't given a choice) he would have wanted to live out his life just like everyone else has a right to do.

    I don't think he would have wanted his kid to be rewarded for criminal behavior.

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    May be itís not a question that he does it, but itís nowhere written that he laid in wait and planned to kill his dad and Tim, again that nothing more than speculation and imo not the truth. Nobody of us really knows what has happened in November 2008. IMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by trofanji View Post
    May be itís not a question that he does it, but itís nowhere written that he laid in wait and planned to kill his dad and Tim, again that nothing more than speculation and imo not the truth. Nobody of us really knows what has happened in November 2008. IMO
    I respect your opinion but I think there is much evidence that has come to light showing both of these murders were indeed premeditated.

    When this case first unfolded the boy was charged with two counts of premeditated murder.

    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...shootings.html

    On Friday, a judge determined there was probable cause to show that the boy fatally shot his father, Vincent Romero, 29, and Timothy Romans, 39, of San Carlos, with a .22-caliber rifle. The boy faces two counts of premeditated murder. Under Arizona law, charges can be filed against anyone 8 or older.

    Melnick said the boy didn't act on the "spur of the moment," though he didn't elaborate on what the motive might have been.

    Melnick said officers arrived at Romero's home within minutes of the shooting Wednesday. They found one victim just outside the front door and the other dead in an upstairs room.

    Romans had been renting a room at the Romero house, prosecutors said. Both men were employees of a construction company working at a Salt River Project power plant near St. Johns, which is about 170 miles northeast of Phoenix.

    The boy went to a neighbor's house and said he "believed that his father was dead," said Apache County attorney Brad Carlyon.

    A judge ordered a psychological evaluation of the boy, who was being held at the Apache County juvenile detention center.

    Prosecutors aren't sure where the case is headed, Carlyon said.

    "There's a ton of factors to be considered and weighed, including the juvenile's age," he said. "The counter balance against that, the acts that he apparently committed."

    ************************************************** *****

    I don't know what the definition of premeditation is in your country but in this case he premeditated both deaths. The mere shooting, unloading, loading another bullet in the chamber and shooting repeatedly shows premeditation and aforethought.

    This boy got a sweetheart deal because he happened to be the youngest defendant in our country who had committed premeditated homicides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trofanji View Post
    May be itís not a question that he does it, but itís nowhere written that he laid in wait and planned to kill his dad and Tim, again that nothing more than speculation and imo not the truth. Nobody of us really knows what has happened in November 2008. IMO
    He for sure "laid in wait" for Tim to enter the door so he could shoot him as he called him into the home.


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    Since I would bet my last nickel that the child didn't consider (or even know of) a possible financial gain through SS if he killed his father, I don't perceive benefits going to him as rewarding him for his behavior.

    About Eryn - I have not read a lot about her. Am I correct that Eryn currently works outside of the home right now while the child's grandmother watches him?

    Eryn remains something of a mystery to me. I do know she had just had visitation with her son prior to the murders and, IIRC, she did not high-tail it back to the child after the murders happened and the child was charged.

    I have always wondered why the Father had primary physical custody and not her and have assumed, rightly or wrongly, that situations in her life at the time made her unable to fully care for him. Did she agree to the Father have custody of CR or did a Judge award custody to the Father against Eryn's wishes?

    Linda, you opined that Eryn "never had a desire to support herself." What leads you to that conclusion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by colette View Post
    He for sure "laid in wait" for Tim to enter the door so he could shoot him as he called him into the home.
    I agree that the evidence seems to imply that Tim was killed to eliminate a witness. This, of course, is a very "cops and robbers" type notion for an 8-year-old boy. Do we know if he was exposed to a lot of that type of tv/video? I have wondered about the child's habits in regards to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colette View Post
    He for sure "laid in wait" for Tim to enter the door so he could shoot him as he called him into the home.

    Itís written somewhere ? so I like to know where, or itís your opinion? As long itís not written in any court document itís not a fact and just a speculation! I couldnít find any document where itís written what exactly has happened.


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    Quote Originally Posted by trofanji View Post
    It’s written somewhere ? so I like to know where, or it’s your opinion? As long it’s not written in any court document it’s not a fact and just a speculation! I couldn’t find any document where it’s written what exactly has happened.
    Hey Trof,

    I think it's fair to assume that unless links are provided, everything all of us post here is opinion and speculation based on the facts that we know!

    My opinion that CR "laid in wait" for Tim to enter the house is based on the reported fact that he was outside on the phone with his wife and told her that the child was calling to him inside and that he needed to go respond to the child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    Knowing that his own child lay in wait and murdered him in cold blood???

    I think he would want anything but this. I think if he had his choice (which he wasn't given a choice) he would have wanted to live out his life just like everyone else has a right to do.

    I don't think he would have wanted his kid to be rewarded for criminal behavior.

    imo
    Maybe locking up all the guns/ammo and looking after an unattended child might have helped the situation some. Especially if there was a question of whether the boy could commit violence.

    What would be the reason for the boy to premeditate the murder???
    Is he just a 'bad egg' or was something going on there unknown to the public that has yet to be established?
    Wonder why the step-mom wasn't at home and stayed away that afternoon?
    Did she know of the paper the boy didn't have from school? Was the boy threatened? Did she call Vince and let him know the boy needed to be punished for not having the good-conduct paper? Did she tell the boy that he was going to be punished by the dad? Seems to be alot of questions of the why and how of that day that are still unknown.

    *Probably some other reasons to not leave him unattended that have not been made public... yet.

    How exactly has the child been 'rewarded' for criminal behavior? No school credits going on 2 years, can't go to public places, mom can't work, detention (of some sort) hanging over his head for soooo long, no dad, few friends, etc...
    doesn't sound like any reward to me so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trofanji View Post
    Itís written somewhere ? so I like to know where, or itís your opinion? As long itís not written in any court document itís not a fact and just a speculation! I couldnít find any document where itís written what exactly has happened.
    It is a fact the killer was heard calling Tim into the home. It is a fact that Tim was shot entering the home. The timeline puts the boy at the scene at the time of the murders. The confession says he is the killer.

    You are never going to find a word for word explanation for every second of the murders, there is no video of the crimes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by colette View Post
    It is a fact the killer was heard calling Tim into the home. It is a fact that Tim was shot entering the home. The timeline puts the boy at the scene at the time of the murders. The confession says he is the killer.

    You are never going to find a word for word explanation for every second of the murders, there is no video of the crimes.
    I think the confession itself didn't have a stand at trial ( I know there will be no trial) and was imo illegal, the ear witness could hear a woman's voice or any other kids voice also, it would sound similar through a telephone, the timeline says he could be there, but didnít state that he was there, the fingerprints they find belongs to the boy because he was living in the house, so his fingerprints must be there, they didn't find very much gun residue on his clothes, the residue could come from everywhere even from a shooting, but they are hunting in the family. and at last all investigations stopped when the imo illegal confession end's. by the way, I think he did it (90%), but nobody can prove it beyond a shadow of doubt.
    Did he get sweetheart deal, I personal think no, it will be a hard time for him on probation. With the standard of other justice systems in Europe or Canada he wouldn't have seen a jail nor a court because he was too young to understand court proceedings, if they used that common sense in St. Johns that would have save this little community a lot of money and the boy would always get therapies and proper education.
    And to a other question at this board I think the negligence of the adults in his live was indeed premeditated, because they leave their weapons with munitions free accessible for an eight year old kid, who should have made death threads before. I personal don't think that he initial wanted to kill his dad, I think something went bad. IMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by trofanji View Post
    I think the confession itself didn't have a stand at trial ( I know there will be no trial) and was imo illegal, the ear witness could hear a woman's voice or any other kids voice also, it would sound similar through a telephone, the timeline says he could be there, but didn’t state that he was there, the fingerprints they find belongs to the boy because he was living in the house, so his fingerprints must be there, they didn't find very much gun residue on his clothes, the residue could come from everywhere even from a shooting, but they are hunting in the family. and at last all investigations stopped when the imo illegal confession end's. by the way, I think he did it (90%), but nobody can prove it beyond a shadow of doubt.
    Did he get sweetheart deal, I personal think no, it will be a hard time for him on probation. With the standard of other justice systems in Europe or Canada he wouldn't have seen a jail nor a court because he was too young to understand court proceedings, if they used that common sense in St. Johns that would have save this little community a lot of money and the boy would always get therapies and proper education.
    And to a other question at this board I think the negligence of the adults in his live was indeed premeditated, because they leave their weapons with munitions free accessible for an eight year old kid, who should have made death threads before. I personal don't think that he initial wanted to kill his dad, I think something went bad. IMO
    Whether the confession would have been allowed is really not relevant anymore. Just because there wasn't a trial doesn't mean it eradicates the one hour interview that has been seen. It is what it is and imo it is an interview with a very chatty kid who could tell very big lies with ease.

    I guess if we went by your premises of "no one really knows" or "his fingerprints would be there because he lived in the home." then every murder that happens by someone who lived in the same home would never be convicted. There were no eye witnesses in this case which is very common in most cases and the vast majority of those cases end in guilty verdicts or plea deals regularly. In this case, like others, there was powerful circumstantial evidence that showed guilt, imo.

    Imo the reason there wasn't more GSR particles found on his clothing is they did not even collect his clothing until the next day around noon after he had been consoled and hugged by family members while wearing the clothing and this powdery residue easily rubs off. Even then though 36 particles were found on the areas they tested and those areas were in places where he would have held the rifle. No GRS residue was found overall on his clothing even though he said he walked into a cloud of smoke where if true it would have been all over his clothing instead of the frontal areas.

    Tim Romans called the boy by his name when he told his wife that he had to go that XXXXXXXXX was calling him.

    This isn't Canada or Europe so what they would have done is really irrelevant to this case. I do believe he did get a sweetheart deal. This is the first case I have ever heard about in the US where someone committed premeditated double homicide unless they were deemed criminally insane and does no time for it. Not even in a detention center.

    We have a right to bear arms in this country. Millions of children are around firearms every year. But no one has a right to murder another human being with hunting weapons meant only for small game hunting. I don't blame Vinnie for wanting to believe that his son was just going through a phase. No parent wants to seriously think their kid is really thinking about murdering them in cold blood imo.

    I guess we could blame mothers for their own deaths too if they left their butcher knives on their kitchen counters and had a child pick it up and stab them through the heart or blame the parents if their child murdered them with a baseball bat they had bought and left laying around. I do not blame the victims. This was the sole actions of the perpetrator that held that weapon and fired it 10 times into two men who deserved to live as much as this boy does.

    Strange though Vincent Romero had this gun since he was 8 years old when his mother gave it to him and in 21 years he never picked up that weapon and used it to harm another human being. He could be trusted to be safe and respect the rules concerning the weapon. However: his son could not and betrayed his father's trust that he had placed in him.

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    St. Johns Boy's To Be Sentenced
    10-Year-Old Boy Pleaded Guilty To Shooting, Killing Timothy Romans

    http://www.kpho.com/news/22228187/detail.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cicada View Post
    Don't know if this has been posted yet:

    St. Johns Boy's To Be Sentenced
    10-Year-Old Boy Pleaded Guilty To Shooting, Killing Timothy Romans

    http://www.kpho.com/news/22228187/detail.html
    Thank you.

    I certainly hope this is true and he will be housed in a residential treatment facility away from St. Johns for an undetermined amount of time.

    Although jail time at a county facility is an option Judge Monica Stauffer can consider, defense attorneys and prosecutors are expected to argue against it. They instead are pushing for the boy to be placed in a residential treatment program in Maricopa County for an undetermined amount of time.
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