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    MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #13

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    Can I be first?



    LOL, okay....done :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by W8nC View Post
    Can I be first?



    LOL, okay....done :-)
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    I think that AB was wanting to talk about it. She had held it in for as long as she could. She was excited and wanted to "brag" about it. I brought this up before, I would love to know her demeanor on the walk to show them the grave site and if she seemed excited at seeing the site again. I doubt that she would have had a chance to return there with LE in the area prior to her taking them there. If her confession turns out to be inadmissable it is a shame. IMO even if there was an atty present she would have ran her mouth. The atty would be the "authority" she doesn't listen to in that situation. Whoever was asking her about her actions and giving her the attention about it would be her "buddy". I don't doubt that LE would use her own attitude to their advantage. But that brings us back to the mental illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W8nC View Post
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    LOL, okay....done :-)
    Technically you were second. HEHEHE sorry couldn't resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDATCA View Post
    I think that AB was wanting to talk about it. She had held it in for as long as she could. She was excited and wanted to "brag" about it. I brought this up before, I would love to know her demeanor on the walk to show them the grave site and if she seemed excited at seeing the site again. I doubt that she would have had a chance to return there with LE in the area prior to her taking them there. If her confession turns out to be inadmissable it is a shame. IMO even if there was an atty present she would have ran her mouth. The atty would be the "authority" she doesn't listen to in that situation. Whoever was asking her about her actions and giving her the attention about it would be her "buddy". I don't doubt that LE would use her own attitude to their advantage. But that brings us back to the mental illness.
    I was going to bring this over. I'd love to see if she was cocky and proud as she led them to the place they had already searched.. Almost like.. "HA!" Or if she was dragging her butt, knowing that she was about to go to jail, and if she could have just kept her trap shut, they would have never found her..

    Search teams searched where Elizabeth had been buried thoroughly. If Alyssa just could have kept it to herself, she'd be a free girl right now..

    I guess loose lips really do sink ships..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Csquare View Post
    Technically you were second. HEHEHE sorry couldn't resist.





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    Quote Originally Posted by MDATCA View Post
    I think that AB was wanting to talk about it. She had held it in for as long as she could. She was excited and wanted to "brag" about it. I brought this up before, I would love to know her demeanor on the walk to show them the grave site and if she seemed excited at seeing the site again. I doubt that she would have had a chance to return there with LE in the area prior to her taking them there. If her confession turns out to be inadmissable it is a shame. IMO even if there was an atty present she would have ran her mouth. The atty would be the "authority" she doesn't listen to in that situation. Whoever was asking her about her actions and giving her the attention about it would be her "buddy". I don't doubt that LE would use her own attitude to their advantage. But that brings us back to the mental illness.
    I just want to comment one last time before I take my self imposed exile from this thread for a while that I am indeed very suspicous of LE for many reasons. When I finished law school I wanted nothing more than to rid the streets of criminals and I went to work for the DAs office as a prosecutor believe it or not, after a few years of that I quickly began to lose interest due to the politically motivated nature of many prosecutions, the DA is an elected official and many times the decisions to prosecute are based on politics and sometimes very sloppy police work. I soon left that profession and developed a great distaste for our legal system and pursued a career in journalism which is what I do now, not long ago I renewed my bar membership and started a part time criminal defense practice that mostly deals with DUI representation and other small issues, I dont take major cases because I dont have the time to work two careers but as time goes by I will build up my practice and start working bigger cases. My point in all of this is that I have seen both sides of the justice system and while there are a lot of shady defense attorneys out there, there are just as many shady prosecutors working for an elected DA whose job security depends on prosecuting as many people as possible even if it means putting away people who may sometimes be innocent and yes I have a major problem with that and I dont shy away from expressing it.

    Carry on my friends and keep up the good work.
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    So now, we'll probably have to wait until the trial for more evidence to pick apart.. unless perhaps there will be disclosure hearings like with Casey Anthony.. hmmm.. anyone know if that could possibly happen?
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    Constitutional rights

    I am always so appreciative of criminal defense attorneys - they make sure we are afforded our Constitutional rights. Actually, I'm appreciative of all those who value our Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLMcKenna83 View Post
    So now, we'll probably have to wait until the trial for more evidence to pick apart.. unless perhaps there will be disclosure hearings like with Casey Anthony.. hmmm.. anyone know if that could possibly happen?
    I am not sure. Is that different from pre trial hearing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAXIMUS View Post
    I just want to comment one last time before I take my self imposed exile from this thread for a while that I am indeed very suspicous of LE for many reasons. When I finished law school I wanted nothing more than to rid the streets of criminals and I want to work for the DAs office as a prosecutor believe it or not, after a few years of that I quickly began to lose interest due to the politically motivated nature of many prosecutions, the DA is an elected official and many times the decisions to prosecute are based on politics and sometimes very sloppy police work. I soon left that profession and developed a great distaste for our legal system and pursued a career in journalism which is what I do now, not long ago I renewed my bar membership and started a part time criminal defense practice that mostly deals with DUI representation and other small issues, I dont take major cases because I dont have the time to work two careers but as time goes by I will build up my practice and start working bigger cases. My point in all of this is that I have seen both sides of the justice system and while there are a lot of shady defense attorneys out there, there are just as many shadey prosecutors working of an elected DA whose job security depends on prosecuting as many people as possible even if it means putting away people who may sometimes be innocent and yes I have a major problem with that and I dont shy away from expressing it.

    Carry on my friends and keep up the good work.
    I hope that I have said nothing to offend you. I agree that there is a sort of crookedness on both sides of the spectrum when it comes to the law, and I believe that 90% of it has to do with the politics of it.

    And with that being said, I say this... MY OPINION.

    I firmly believe that Alyssa Bustamante killed Elizabeth Olten in cold blood. I also believe that her confession and any evidence being used in this matter has been obtained legally and without any sort of deception. As I have stated before, Alyssa's family knows how the judicial system works. Her parents have both been in prison, so they have obviously been through a trial before. If anything was amiss in the way that LE was handling this case, I believe it would have been brought up by now. And we haven't heard anything of it.. yet. With a crime as serious and as sensitive as this, I fully trust that LE is handling this with all of the proper procedures. This is a major major case for them, and I am positive that they don't want to blow it on something as stupid as a technicality.

    Now, Paximus, if you would still like your little vacation from the thread, that is your choice, and I hope you will re-join us at some point. But if you would like to stay, and continue to be a part of what were doing here, then you are also more than welcome to do that.
    R.I.P Jenni-Lyn Watson


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    Quote Originally Posted by Csquare View Post
    I am not sure. Is that different from pre trial hearing?
    I know everytime that there is a disclosure hearing in the Anthony case, we gets piles and piles of evidence and what not to sift through...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLMcKenna83 View Post
    So now, we'll probably have to wait until the trial for more evidence to pick apart.. unless perhaps there will be disclosure hearings like with Casey Anthony.. hmmm.. anyone know if that could possibly happen?
    Lol, we don't have to WAIT for anything! We can talk about how Wednesday is the top day for murders, or how the color pink enrages people on Prozac. What about grandma's cholesteral levels, we haven't discussed that yet!

    Nothing NEW has come out on this case since the PD asked to have AB sent to a mental hospital on 11/20, and we managed to generate nearly 10 pages of discussion today.

    With that said, I need to leave...I'll catch up in the morning. Hope I don't miss anything!! Good night all!

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