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  1. #1
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    Mar 2009

    Canada - Naramata BC, WhtFem HC667, 20-24, on wooded embankment, Jul'74

    Could this be a match?

    Hot Case 667

    Unidentified Female

    * The victim was discovered on July 24, 1974 in Naramata, British Columbia, Canada
    * Estimated Date of Death: It appeared that the body had been in the location for some time
    * State of Remains: Advanced Decomposition

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: early 20's
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5' 7" (170cm); 140 - 150 lbs. (54 to 68kg).
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Long, light brown hair

    Case History
    On July 24, 1974 the nude body of a young woman was discovered in an isolated area of Naramata, north east of Penticton.
    Located in the Chute Lake area by two employees of the Canadian Pacific Railway working on a microwave project, the body was down an embankment in a heavily wooded area.

    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    South Okanagan Similkameen Crime Stoppers
    Al Sismey

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    NCIC Number:

    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:
    South Okanagan Similkameen Crime Stoppers



    Case File 2863DFBC

    Carmen Robinson
    Missing since December 8, 1973 from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    * Age at Time of Disappearance: 17 years old
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Carmen Robinson was last seen exiting a bus at West Burnside Road and Holland Avenue in View Royal, two blocks from her View Royal home. Robinson worked as a dishwasher at the Ingraham Hotel on Douglas Street near Burnside Road East. After her shift on Saturday, December 8, 1973, she caught the bus home, intending to enjoy two days off. She was last seen stepping into the night at West Burnside Road and Holland Avenue, a short distance from her house. She did not make it home.

    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:


    Source Information:
    The Times Colonist

    Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-31-2013 at 08:48 PM.
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  2. #2
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    Jun 2008
    Yes, it could be a match but the distance is a stretch - she'd have needed to be moved on a ferry as View Royal is on Vancouver Island - and then about 300+ miles of not very direct route. If she were killed, it seems more natural that the killer would have chosen a disposal site in the remoter areas of the island to have a better chance of escaping detection. Also, there is very limited demographic information and no indication of a facial reconstruction so it's very hard to say.

    Although there is a period of seven months between disappearance and recovery, in a cold climate this may delay decomposition and "advanced decomp" might (I don't have the science background to say conculsively) be consistent with that period, whereas normally skeletalized remains might be the normal phrase used.

  3. #3
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    Aug 2008
    I wish there was more information on Carmen Robinson. No weight, height etc. nothing just age and area.

    I found this could it be someone traveling on buses to get his victims?


    I don't know if that link will help any. I have no idea the area's for Canada. I don't even know if this is close to any of the cases..

    I will check back . Good Luck. Wish you had more information to go on.
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  4. #4
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    Mar 2009

    News Article

    Here is an article with some more info on Carmen Robinson's disappearance:

    Cold Case: 17-year-old vanishes

    In 1973, a tall attractive teenager stepped off a bus two blocks from her View Royal home and vanished.

    By Times Colonist (Victoria)September 26, 2008

    The Times Colonist is highlighting several unsolved cases of missing or murdered people. This is Day 2 of our coverage by Lindsay Kines and Rob Shaw.

    Who: Carmen Robinson, 17

    What: Missing, suspected homicide

    When: Dec. 8, 1973

    Where: Last seen exiting a bus at West Burnside Road and Holland Avenue in View Royal.

    Few of Vancouver Island's unsolved police cases are as baffling as the disappearance of Carmen Robinson.

    The tall, attractive, 17-year-old blond stepped off a bus two blocks from her View Royal home one Saturday night and simply vanished. She was never found.

    Although detectives have re-worked her file dozens of times, they've had few leads other than a bizarre but ultimately unproven tip by Clifford Olson, one of Canada's most notorious serial killers.

    The case is now almost 35 years old.

    By all accounts, Robinson was a happy, healthy teenager who seemed to have few enemies. She worked as a dishwasher at the Ingraham Hotel on Douglas Street near Burnside Road East -- now a Super 8 motel. After her shift on Saturday, Dec. 8, 1973, she caught the bus home, intending to enjoy two days off.

    She was last seen stepping into the night at West Burnside Road and Holland Avenue, a short distance from her house. She did not make it home.

    Detectives who took her case faced a daunting task. There was no physical evidence and no direct witnesses.

    The first RCMP investigator, Wendal Milne, started by looking at her family and friends. Robinson's family has never agreed to a media interview and could not be located by the Times Colonist for this article.

    "We interviewed all of them a number of times at length to see if they had any thoughts, an ex-boyfriend or somebody who hit on her at her at a party, to try and come up with anything," said Milne, who retired from the RCMP as a staff sergeant in 1995.

    "Out of all that she came out as a pretty good girl."

    Police tried to locate all known sex offenders in the area. Detectives also briefly used another tactic -- they put their wives on buses late at night and told them to look for anyone suspicious. Unfortunately, this turned up no leads.

    Undercover officers kept surveillance on several houses near the bus stop, without success, said Milne. "It was really frustrating, because in a lot of cases you have a lead or something to go on, to bring up a flag," said Milne. "There were absolutely no flags to go in any direction."

    Investigator Bruce Brown took over the file in the 1980s. Detectives tried something unusual -- they hypnotized a woman who claimed to have seen Robinson arguing with a man on Helmcken Road two days before she disappeared.

    The witness described a man with a swarthy complexion, black hair and a full beard. She said Robinson got into his car, an early '70s Chevy Nova or Plymouth Duster painted burnt orange.

    "If I see one of those, I still write the licence plate down," said Brown, now retired and serving as B.C.'s deputy police complaint commissioner.

    The car had a bumper sticker with the name Ferguson. With help from the public, police matched the sticker to a school board election in B.C.'s interior. It still remains one of only leads in the case.

    It's likely Robinson was randomly attacked and killed, said Brown, who still leans toward a sexual motive.

    Police discussed her case with investigators working Ted Bundy's file in the United States.

    Bundy was executed in 1989 after confessing to raping, killing and dismembering 30 people, some of whom were in Washington state. However, it was never proven he visited Vancouver Island, said Brown.

    Bundy was not the only serial killer on police radar. Clifford Olson was living in Victoria at the time, bilking pensioners out of small amounts of money. In 1982, he confessed to killing 11 young men and women. He told police he knew where Robinson was buried.

    The RCMP flew Olson from his cell at Kingston Penitentiary in Ontario to Victoria on Nov. 30, 1982. He led police to a rocky spot at Fort Rodd Hill, near Royal Roads University, said Brown. Police used sonar machines to examine the ground but couldn't find any evidence of bodies.

    "It became apparent Olson was using any unsolved case to either gain access to the media or as a trip," said Brown. Police shipped him back to his prison cell.

    Although both Brown and Milne still think about the Robinson case, they don't appear optimistic it can be solved without a major tip from the public.

    "I'd be surprised, unless it turns out to be somebody on their deathbed that decides to make a confession," said Milne.

    "I don't know I'd say it would never be solved," said Brown.

    "There's somebody out there who knows something who hasn't come forward yet."

    West Shore RCMP Insp. Jim Faulkner said the case remains "substantial" and is investigated "from time to time" but police could still use public tips.

    Rob Shaw can be reached at 250-380-5350 or rfshaw@tc.canwest.com
    (c) CanWest MediaWorks Publications Inc.

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  5. #5
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    The great white north

    Decades old disappearance:Victoria cold case gets warm lead

    Police have a fresh lead into an investigation related to the baffling disappearance of Victoria-area teenager almost 37 years ago, but say they need the public's help in pushing the case forward.

    West Shore RCMP said they want to speak to anyone who knows anything about people who resided at a home near the Trans-Canada Highway, north of Victoria, in 1973.

    The home is located at 830 Lavender Avenue, near Marigold Road.

    Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Dec...#ixzz14KolTRts

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    Mar 2009
    Police wanted to speak with John and Edith Wilson who were the registered property owners when the police investigation was first launched. The Wilsons are not considered suspects or persons of interest, but officers believed they or their surviving family members may have information that could help them.

    The media attention surrounding the case in recent weeks prompted Edith’s granddaughter to come forward, said Hilderley. She told police her grandmother was in her 70s and was living in that residence at the time, and had few visitors.

    Investigators were also able to identify someone who lived directly behind the Wilson residence, Hilderley said, but that too did not garner any useful information.

    Police have not said why the Lavender Avenue home was of interest in the case.
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