CANADA Canada - Naramata BC, WhtFem HC667, 20-24, on wooded embankment, Jul'74

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Could this be a match?


Hot Case 667


Unidentified Female

* The victim was discovered on July 24, 1974 in Naramata, British Columbia, Canada
* Estimated Date of Death: It appeared that the body had been in the location for some time
* State of Remains: Advanced Decomposition

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: early 20's
* Approximate Height and Weight: 5' 7" (170cm); 140 - 150 lbs. (54 to 68kg).
* Distinguishing Characteristics: Long, light brown hair

Case History
On July 24, 1974 the nude body of a young woman was discovered in an isolated area of Naramata, north east of Penticton.
Located in the Chute Lake area by two employees of the Canadian Pacific Railway working on a microwave project, the body was down an embankment in a heavily wooded area.

Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
South Okanagan Similkameen Crime Stoppers
Al Sismey
250-770-4721

You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

NCIC Number:

Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:
South Okanagan Similkameen Crime Stoppers

http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase667.html


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Case File 2863DFBC


Carmen Robinson
Missing since December 8, 1973 from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

* Age at Time of Disappearance: 17 years old
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Carmen Robinson was last seen exiting a bus at West Burnside Road and Holland Avenue in View Royal, two blocks from her View Royal home. Robinson worked as a dishwasher at the Ingraham Hotel on Douglas Street near Burnside Road East. After her shift on Saturday, December 8, 1973, she caught the bus home, intending to enjoy two days off. She was last seen stepping into the night at West Burnside Road and Holland Avenue, a short distance from her house. She did not make it home.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:

RCMP

Source Information:
Canda.Com
The Times Colonist

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2863dfbc.html
 
Yes, it could be a match but the distance is a stretch - she'd have needed to be moved on a ferry as View Royal is on Vancouver Island - and then about 300+ miles of not very direct route. If she were killed, it seems more natural that the killer would have chosen a disposal site in the remoter areas of the island to have a better chance of escaping detection. Also, there is very limited demographic information and no indication of a facial reconstruction so it's very hard to say.

Although there is a period of seven months between disappearance and recovery, in a cold climate this may delay decomposition and "advanced decomp" might (I don't have the science background to say conculsively) be consistent with that period, whereas normally skeletalized remains might be the normal phrase used.
 
Here is an article with some more info on Carmen Robinson's disappearance:

Cold Case: 17-year-old vanishes

In 1973, a tall attractive teenager stepped off a bus two blocks from her View Royal home and vanished.

By Times Colonist (Victoria)September 26, 2008


The Times Colonist is highlighting several unsolved cases of missing or murdered people. This is Day 2 of our coverage by Lindsay Kines and Rob Shaw.


Who: Carmen Robinson, 17

What: Missing, suspected homicide

When: Dec. 8, 1973

Where: Last seen exiting a bus at West Burnside Road and Holland Avenue in View Royal.

Few of Vancouver Island's unsolved police cases are as baffling as the disappearance of Carmen Robinson.

The tall, attractive, 17-year-old blond stepped off a bus two blocks from her View Royal home one Saturday night and simply vanished. She was never found.

Although detectives have re-worked her file dozens of times, they've had few leads other than a bizarre but ultimately unproven tip by Clifford Olson, one of Canada's most notorious serial killers.

[...]


West Shore RCMP Insp. Jim Faulkner said the case remains "substantial" and is investigated "from time to time" but police could still use public tips.

Rob Shaw can be reached at 250-380-5350 or rfshaw@tc.canwest.com
© (c) CanWest MediaWorks Publications Inc.

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=38d511df-c0b7-4488-b109-222f114e15c3
 
Police have a fresh lead into an investigation related to the baffling disappearance of Victoria-area teenager almost 37 years ago, but say they need the public's help in pushing the case forward.

West Shore RCMP said they want to speak to anyone who knows anything about people who resided at a home near the Trans-Canada Highway, north of Victoria, in 1973.

The home is located at 830 Lavender Avenue, near Marigold Road.


Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/De...ts+warm+lead/3771829/story.html#ixzz14KolTRts
 
Police wanted to speak with John and Edith Wilson who were the registered property owners when the police investigation was first launched. The Wilsons are not considered suspects or persons of interest, but officers believed they or their surviving family members may have information that could help them.

The media attention surrounding the case in recent weeks prompted Edith’s granddaughter to come forward, said Hilderley. She told police her grandmother was in her 70s and was living in that residence at the time, and had few visitors.

Investigators were also able to identify someone who lived directly behind the Wilson residence, Hilderley said, but that too did not garner any useful information.

Police have not said why the Lavender Avenue home was of interest in the case.

The link is gone but the whole article is here:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t37700.htm
 
It's been nearly six full years since the last post and almost forty-three since her discovery, bumping for Naramata Jane Doe. She went missing from quite a distance away in Alberta, but maybe Patricia Salamandyk http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3603dfab.html? Not sure how accurate the weight estimate would be with her remains being very decomposed which might account for the discrepancy between Patricia's weight being listed as 120 pounds vs. 140-150 for the Jane Doe.
 
A few other possibilities, the one I like the best is Patricia French who has been missing from Vancouver, BC since 1969 http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2442dfbc.html. At the time, she was 18 years old, 5'7" tall and 130 pounds, and had dark blonde hair. She was supposed to meet her parents in Calgary, AB but never arrived. Naramata is right in between the two from what I can tell. Helen Frost went missing days before her 18th birthday http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/254dfbc.html. Unlikely given the tight timeline and distance, but Marilyn Byskal went missing on a school canoeing trip http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2416dfmb.html. At first it was believed she either got lost or fell into the river and drowned, but after extensive searches failed to locate her police announced that they suspected foul play in her disappearance.
 
My theory is, this murder happened locally and poor Jane Doe could have been from anywhere.

The Okanagan, including Naramata (until the fruit packing company closed) has long drawn thousands of transients to pick fruit all summer on a strictly cash basis. They camp in the orchards, and just arrive and leave without anyone paying the slightest attention. Most hitchhiked, many were from Quebec, though word spread and it was also possible then for people from Europe and the US to work illegally, no one would check where you were from. Someone wrote a thesis about the lifestyle (in French)
Sharing common ideals and similar projects since the 1970s, many young Quebecers temporary exile in Western Canada. Most travel and work in different .regions which often depend on their labor. Although this form of mobility is a widespread phenomenon throughout the West, very few studies have been conducted on young people and their experiences in the Canadian context. This is the case of the three J3C fruit valleys which annually host thousands of young Quebecois who come to work in the orchards and farms for the summer and fall crops.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sour...FjAAegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3QeXJccMUWhq3GFSZO1qv6

They were tolerated back in the day, but now the wineries/their clients/newly arrived retirees complain about them http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...lations-with-seasonal-fruit-pickers-1.1306603.

Either another transient, or a local, could have been responsible for this murder, perhaps picking Jane Doe up as a hitch-hiker.

It gets very hot there in summer (speeding decomposition), fruit picking usually starts late June, early July, so I think the timing is right. In those days of strictly post or expensive long distance calls, a young woman might take off for the summer and not keep her family informed about where she was or her plans, or she could have been a runaway.
 
Naramata Jane Doe's updated DoeNetwork link and information:

1491UFBC
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Date of Discovery: June 24, 1974
Location of Discovery: Naramata, British Columbia, Canada
Estimated Date of Death: 1-6 months prior
State of Remains: Decomposed
Cause of Death: Unknown

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 18-29 years old
Race: White
Sex: Female
Height: 170 cm (5'7")
Weight: 63 to 68 kg (140 to 150 lbs.)
Hair: Brown, long and straight.
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown

Identifiers
Dentals: Available. Good dental hygiene. High-quality fillings performed within two to three years before death. She had minor orthodontic treatment as a child.
Fingerprints: Unknown.
DNA: Unknown.

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: White nylon underwear with a safety pin.
Jewelry: Unknown.
Additional Personal Items: Unknown.

Circumstances of Discovery
On June 24, 1974 the body of a young woman was discovered in an isolated area of Naramata, north east of Penticton.

The body was in the Chute Lake area by two employees of the Canadian Pacific Railway working on a microwave project, the body was down an embankment in a heavily wooded area.

Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Office of the Chief Coroner
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 1-877-660-5077
Agency E-Mail: BCCS.SIU(at)gov.bc.ca
Agency Case Number: P591-74

Agency Name: Penticton RCMP
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 250-492-4300
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: 1974-102

Agency Name: National Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains
Agency E-Mail: canadasmissing-disparuscanada(at)rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Agency Case Number: 2014001218

Agency Name: Crime Stoppers
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 1-800-222-TIPS (8477)
Anonymous tip submission: here
Agency Case Number: Unknown

Former Hot Case Number: 667

Information Source(s)
Canada's Missing
South Okanagan Similkameen Crime Stoppers (archived)
 
Could this Jane Doe be Lucie Gelinas?

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21-year-old Lucie Gelinas disappeared from Trois-Riviere, Quebec in April of 1973, saying that she was going to travel to Vancouver with a friend. Her whereabouts - and the whereabouts of her friend - after that are unknown. Lucie is a match for the age, the long brown hair, and the rough location. It seems plausible that she may have hung around Vancouver for a couple of months before meeting with some sort of foul play. She's slightly shorter than Jane Doe (5'5) and slightly lighter (119lbs), but the remains were quite decomposed by the time they were discovered, so those height/weight stats are likely estimates.

Canada's Missing | Case details
 

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