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    I was wondering if GT's mother and aunt were in the court room when the verdict came in? How did they react to it, anyone hear or see anything?

    If you read VC's statements to police at first she said that GT told her he felt ashamed for what he did to Chris....for shooting him, but then she makes a comment that it was Rome that shot Chris and when questioned she quickly changes it. VC throws LD and GT under the bus she pretty much said E was not involved except she thought she heard him talking when she was in the shower but never said she saw him at the house. Then you have Rome that throws LD and E under the bus, Rome and his gang just wanted out of there, Rome and Thomas really try to protect each other in their statements. If I remember correctly Davidson pretty much blamed his brother and Thomas. I have to go back and listen to Davidson's again. The only thing I don't get with E is if he was involved in the murders why didn't VC throw him into the mix with her statements. We know she was trying to protect Rome, so she could have placed E in his spot but she didn't that just puzzles me she comes off as never seeing E at the house. Ok now I am thinking out loud. I really REALLY dislike her and hope to hell she gets death.

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    Julie, it isnt possible to recite these peoples statements wtihout "rambling." lol.
    But thanks for the recap of the statments. I forget who said what. I always got the gut feeling that it was Slim and E and GT that brutalized and killed Chris. Slim just needed to get ridof him, and used it as a chance to see what George "was made of" and made George pull the trigger. I suspect much of the rape of Chris was E, since it was reported that E hated white people. If you recall, while everone gave accounts of much of what happened, NO ONE ever said anyting about Chris's rape.

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    Oh, Julie, i ws wondering the same thing about George's family members. I couldnt see them, but the camera never panned over that far. I'm sure they will be there tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulieR View Post
    I was wondering if GT's mother and aunt were in the court room when the verdict came in? How did they react to it, anyone hear or see anything?

    If you read VC's statements to police at first she said that GT told her he felt ashamed for what he did to Chris....for shooting him, but then she makes a comment that it was Rome that shot Chris and when questioned she quickly changes it. VC throws LD and GT under the bus she pretty much said E was not involved except she thought she heard him talking when she was in the shower but never said she saw him at the house. Then you have Rome that throws LD and E under the bus, Rome and his gang just wanted out of there, Rome and Thomas really try to protect each other in their statements. If I remember correctly Davidson pretty much blamed his brother and Thomas. I have to go back and listen to Davidson's again. The only thing I don't get with E is if he was involved in the murders why didn't VC throw him into the mix with her statements. We know she was trying to protect Rome, so she could have placed E in his spot but she didn't that just puzzles me she comes off as never seeing E at the house. Ok now I am thinking out loud. I really REALLY dislike her and hope to hell she gets death.
    Hey Julie!!!! VC did everything in her statement but point the finger at Letalvis, Rome, LC...whatever you wanna call him. At the time you gotta remember she was his girlfriend and was attempting to cover for him (IMO) in her stories, but then I think she started to get confused and she started to be threatened (again, IMO) with some jail time herself if her stories didn't start adding up...and I think tha'ts when she started to include LC.

    As for E, I think that he is one of the main players in this case. I think that he was behind this just as much (if not more, IMO) as LD. Boyd is significantly older than the other defendents, I think he was 34 when they were arrested?? Am I wrong in that? I think that he was more powerful (in gang related and criminal history) than LD was, and I think in some ways LD and maybe even LC were trying to "impress" him with thier actions, and because of this all are afraid to finger him completely in any of this. At least that's the only thing I can think of as to why they won't say what part he had.

    IDK, just my opinions...I've been proven wrong numerous times before!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrairieWind View Post
    Julie, it isnt possible to recite these peoples statements wtihout "rambling." lol.
    But thanks for the recap of the statments. I forget who said what. I always got the gut feeling that it was Slim and E and GT that brutalized and killed Chris. Slim just needed to get ridof him, and used it as a chance to see what George "was made of" and made George pull the trigger. I suspect much of the rape of Chris was E, since it was reported that E hated white people. If you recall, while everone gave accounts of much of what happened, NO ONE ever said anyting about Chris's rape.
    I think it was only VC that made the comment she heard Slim say to G your going to have to prove yourself, but she was trying to protect her Rome. When pushed she did throw Rome under for the rape of Channon, but that is all she put on him. She never said anything about even seeing E she said the guys left by foot from what she could remember, not saying E didn't do any of it I just find it crazy that she didn't throw him into the mix. I always felt it was Slim and Rome that did the murders and rapes, I feel G was there and he deserves whatever he gets, same with VC I do feel like that others she most likely did the beating to Channon's parts and the coldness in all of them is just unthinkable.
    Oh I know what I wanted to say I always thought it was Davidson that did the rape on Chris because he had just gotten out of jail and sad to say in jail, middle class young white men are owned by the bigger population if you know what I am mean it is a status thing. Slim couldn't say anything about the rape of Chris because it would put him at the seen of the crime. Chris's pants were never found so I don't think it took place in the house....still thinking out loud here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boytwnmom View Post
    he would, I believe, need to find that there was no reasonable view of the evidence which would lead to a conviction on the charge. I was reading some case dicta from TN on criminal responsibility for first degree murder. It reads in part:

    “A person is criminally responsible as a party to an offense, if the offense is committed by the person’s own conduct, by the conduct of another for which the person is criminally responsible, or by both.” T.C.A. § 39-11-401(a). Tennessee Code Annotated section 39-11- 402(2) provides that an appellant is criminally responsible for the actions of another when, “[a]cting with intent to promote or assist the commission of the offense, or to benefit in the proceeds or results of the offense, [Appellant] solicits, directs, aids, or attempts to aid another person to commit the offense . . . .” [COLOR="Red"]The appellant must “‘in some way associate himself with the venture, act with knowledge that an offense is to be committed, and share in the criminal intent of the principal in the first degree.[/COLOR]’” State v. Maxey, 898 S.W.2d 756, 757 (Tenn. Crim. App. 1994) (quoting Hembree v. State, 546 S.W.2d 235, 239 (Tenn. Crim. App. 1976)). The defendant’s requisite criminal intent may be inferred from his “presence, companionship, and conduct before and after the offense.”

    and

    "A defendant convicted under a criminal responsibility theory “is guilty in the same degree as the principal who committed the crime” and “is considered to be a principal offender.” Id. at 171. Criminal responsibility is not a separate crime; rather, it is “solely a theory by which the State may prove the defendant’s guilt of the alleged offense . . . based upon the conduct of another person.” Lemacks, 996 S.W.2d at 170. Under a theory of criminal responsibility, an individual’s “[p]resence and companionship with the perpetrator of a felony before and after the commission of [an] offense are circumstances from which [his or her] participation in the crime may be inferred.” State v. Ball, 973 S.W.2d 288, 293 (Tenn. Crim. App. 1998). No particular act need be shown, and the defendant need not have taken a physical part in the crime in order to be held criminally responsible. Id."

    I find this dicta helpful and I certainly hope the judge leaves all verdicts intact for the defense to appeal. They will certainly apeal no matter what so I hope he is willing to just leave things be. It seems to be reasoanable that the jury inferred his criminal responsibility properly under the law. I also think this is so very different from, say, a fight between two people or someone who doesn't stop a friend from shoplifting. What happened here was inhuman. Who among us would not help a stranger in distress never mind a person beign murdered in a home where you were staying. That in itself is not reasonable behavior.

    I hope the same hold true for the woman. I'm not sure she can play the little bitty scared girl. When did she ever express fear? A normal person who was in fear would have run from that house and called 911. Why would you stay and cook if you were so scared?
    Perhaps you can also reasonable infer that she and everyone else present participated by way of ensuring all would keep quiet. I haven't followed this case closely but I have wondered if the pros could have argued such a theory-that all present who were aware were invovled in order to ensure their keeping quiet. Wasn't there another girl who came over but was not allowed to see anything? Why would VC be allowed to see the victims unless she were an equal participant. I wouldn't feel bad about arguing that as I think they collectively participated and are all truly equally guilty.
    (bbm) thanks btm, ITA. If you haven't already, it was a privilege to hear prosecution's closing arguments given yesterday, they addressed these elements as stated above. GT admitted in his interview that the plan was to expressly "JACK" (vs "steal") a car--language explicitly used for a crime which TK (prosecutor) deftly pointed out to the jury in closing entails kidnapping and/or killing victims--it is implicit in order to keep victims from reporting. GT concedes being in on these plans both beforehand AND afterward--during which time he could easily, as Price (the other prosecutor) argued, have chosen to leave and refused to be involved or even sought help.

    And VC puttin pj's on, cookin and carryin on like nothin's wrong doesn't sound like "fear" to me either friend...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Boytwnmom View Post
    he would, I believe, need to find that there was no reasonable view of the evidence which would lead to a conviction on the charge. I was reading some case dicta from TN on criminal responsibility for first degree murder. It reads in part:

    “A person is criminally responsible as a party to an offense, if the offense is committed by the person’s own conduct, by the conduct of another for which the person is criminally responsible, or by both.” T.C.A. § 39-11-401(a). Tennessee Code Annotated section 39-11- 402(2) provides that an appellant is criminally responsible for the actions of another when, “[a]cting with intent to promote or assist the commission of the offense, or to benefit in the proceeds or results of the offense, [Appellant] solicits, directs, aids, or attempts to aid another person to commit the offense . . . .” The appellant must “‘in some way associate himself with the venture, act with knowledge that an offense is to be committed, and share in the criminal intent of the principal in the first degree.’” State v. Maxey, 898 S.W.2d 756, 757 (Tenn. Crim. App. 1994) (quoting Hembree v. State, 546 S.W.2d 235, 239 (Tenn. Crim. App. 1976)). The defendant’s requisite criminal intent may be inferred from his “presence, companionship, and conduct before and after the offense.”

    and

    "A defendant convicted under a criminal responsibility theory “is guilty in the same degree as the principal who committed the crime” and “is considered to be a principal offender.” Id. at 171. Criminal responsibility is not a separate crime; rather, it is “solely a theory by which the State may prove the defendant’s guilt of the alleged offense . . . based upon the conduct of another person.” Lemacks, 996 S.W.2d at 170. Under a theory of criminal responsibility, an individual’s “[p]resence and companionship with the perpetrator of a felony before and after the commission of [an] offense are circumstances from which [his or her] participation in the crime may be inferred.” State v. Ball, 973 S.W.2d 288, 293 (Tenn. Crim. App. 1998). No particular act need be shown, and the defendant need not have taken a physical part in the crime in order to be held criminally responsible. Id."

    I find this dicta helpful and I certainly hope the judge leaves all verdicts intact for the defense to appeal. They will certainly apeal no matter what so I hope he is willing to just leave things be. It seems to be reasoanable that the jury inferred his criminal responsibility properly under the law. I also think this is so very different from, say, a fight between two people or someone who doesn't stop a friend from shoplifting. What happened here was inhuman. Who among us would not help a stranger in distress never mind a person beign murdered in a home where you were staying. That in itself is not reasonable behavior.
    Thank you, Boytwnmom. ITA that not doing anything to stop it was inhuman.

    I had thought the way they worded the part about companions in the jury instructions just wasn't as clear as it should have been:
    A person cannot be held criminally responsible for the conduct of another if
    that person has knowledge of the other’s crime yet fails to act, prevent the crime,
    render aid, or report the crime. A person’s presence at the scene of a crime, along with
    an association with the perpetrator of that crime, does not make one criminally
    responsible
    . Under a theory of criminal responsibility, an individual's presence and
    companionship with the perpetrator of a felony before and after the commission of an
    offense are circumstances from which his participation or criminal intent in the crime
    may be inferred
    .
    Presence at the crime and association with the perp doesn't make someone criminally responsible, because it just shows knowledge (facilitation), but presence and companionship can be used to infer intent (criminal responsibility).

    ...It still sounds contradictory, but the bottom line does seem to just leave it up to the jury to draw their own inference, doesn't it?

    So it looks like the judge's overturning of their decision would nullify their right, as it's written, to have drawn that inference....
    Always JMO, FWIW, YMMV...

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    No, I haven't heard them

    but will try to listen tonight. I can't listen during the day in the office. I have so much admiration for the prosecutors here. What a difficult, tedious and not terribly well paying job. I couldn't even stand doing civil litigation never mind this. The families and these prosecutors are such fine people. It's hard to even think of them as part of the same species as the defendants in this case. The level of depravity and inhumanity here is beyond belief. I am in awe of the family and prosecutors living this every day for how many years now? Too many in any event and it's not over yet.

    I'm so grateful to this jury. I feel like they saw through the empty rhetoric and could determine that all there were part of this and all, no matter their role, were equally guilty. I can't imagine that anything can really comfort these families pain but at least the verdict did nto increase the injustice.




    Quote Originally Posted by kiki the parrot View Post
    (bbm) thanks btm, ITA. If you haven't already, it was a privilege to hear prosecution's closing arguments given yesterday, they addressed these elements as stated above. GT admitted in his interview that the plan was to expressly "JACK" (vs "steal") a car--language explicitly used for a crime which TK (prosecutor) deftly pointed out to the jury in closing entails kidnapping and/or killing victims--it is implicit in order to keep victims from reporting. GT concedes being in on these plans both beforehand AND afterward--during which time he could easily, as Price (the other prosecutor) argued, have chosen to leave and refused to be involved or even sought help.

    And VC puttin pj's on, cookin and carryin on like nothin's wrong doesn't sound like "fear" to me either friend...





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    Quote Originally Posted by Boytwnmom View Post
    but will try to listen tonight. I can't listen during the day in the office. I have so much admiration for the prosecutors here. What a difficult, tedious and not terribly well paying job. I couldn't even stand doing civil litigation never mind this. The families and these prosecutors are such fine people. It's hard to even think of them as part of the same species as the defendants in this case. The level of depravity and inhumanity here is beyond belief. I am in awe of the family and prosecutors living this every day for how many years now? Too many in any event and it's not over yet.

    I'm so grateful to this jury. I feel like they saw through the empty rhetoric and could determine that all there were part of this and all, no matter their role, were equally guilty. I can't imagine that anything can really comfort these families pain but at least the verdict did nto increase the injustice.
    (bbm) I said something much to this effect, they provide much-needed reassurance--for the families, and for all who are watching these trials and hearing of these unspeakable crimes-- in the midst of such depravity, that there is still a standard of decency and there are still righteous, honorable people. I too am very grateful for these unsung champions of justice... they "stand for goodness" too friend...


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    Quote Originally Posted by PrairieWind View Post
    George would have been MUCH better off if had been tried along with the other defendants.
    Yep, the canard is that it hurts defendants to be tried together, but I think it would have helped Thomas too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulieR View Post
    I was wondering if GT's mother and aunt were in the court room when the verdict came in? How did they react to it, anyone hear or see anything?

    If you read VC's statements to police at first she said that GT told her he felt ashamed for what he did to Chris....for shooting him, but then she makes a comment that it was Rome that shot Chris and when questioned she quickly changes it. VC throws LD and GT under the bus she pretty much said E was not involved except she thought she heard him talking when she was in the shower but never said she saw him at the house. Then you have Rome that throws LD and E under the bus, Rome and his gang just wanted out of there, Rome and Thomas really try to protect each other in their statements. If I remember correctly Davidson pretty much blamed his brother and Thomas. I have to go back and listen to Davidson's again. The only thing I don't get with E is if he was involved in the murders why didn't VC throw him into the mix with her statements. We know she was trying to protect Rome, so she could have placed E in his spot but she didn't that just puzzles me she comes off as never seeing E at the house. Ok now I am thinking out loud. I really REALLY dislike her and hope to hell she gets death.
    I hate to sound totally stupid here. I've followed these trials except for Boyd and I just have to ask, who the h is E? I know there who LD, DD, VC and GT are. Who is E?

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    Lonetraveler, I believe E is Boyd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulieR View Post
    I think it was only VC that made the comment she heard Slim say to G your going to have to prove yourself, but she was trying to protect her Rome. When pushed she did throw Rome under for the rape of Channon, but that is all she put on him. She never said anything about even seeing E she said the guys left by foot from what she could remember, not saying E didn't do any of it I just find it crazy that she didn't throw him into the mix. I always felt it was Slim and Rome that did the murders and rapes, I feel G was there and he deserves whatever he gets, same with VC I do feel like that others she most likely did the beating to Channon's parts and the coldness in all of them is just unthinkable.
    Oh I know what I wanted to say I always thought it was Davidson that did the rape on Chris because he had just gotten out of jail and sad to say in jail, middle class young white men are owned by the bigger population if you know what I am mean it is a status thing. Slim couldn't say anything about the rape of Chris because it would put him at the seen of the crime. Chris's pants were never found so I don't think it took place in the house....still thinking out loud here.
    I truly think that the rape of Chris happened in the house, most likely in the middle of the living room area of the house. These thugs have totally dismissed Chris as not worth mentioning, as an afterthought. They are not going to admit to a rape of another male. It is considered by them to be beneathe them and thus do not recoginize that they have violated, tortured, raped and murdered and mutilated another human being. That is the kind of people they are. Boyd is rumored to have a photo on his cell phone of the rape of a white male. I think the big mystery here is why this POS hasn't been charged with the rape and murder of Chris and Channon. This case will never be closed until he is charged. We have VC left and then hopefully, Boyd will get the rest of what is coming to him. Then maybe the families can get some kind of peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    Lonetraveler, I believe E is Boyd.

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    Thank you. I know him as just Boyd. You really don't want to know what I really call these pieces of ............... I just could not place E on any of them and wondered who the heck he was. Thank you again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muffet View Post
    Neither was Davidson.
    You are correct, Davidson and Cobbins were not found guilty of all counts, but IMO should have been, so IMO those two verdicts are the abnormal verdicts to me. The Thomas verdict at this moment is the true just verdict.

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    Well this is why I think it was just Slim and Rome that raped and shot Chris and why it was not at the house. Now this is JMO we will really never know unless someone tells the truth. In all of the statements they start as never seeing Channon in the house, no man I left, wasn't there never seen the girl, then it goes to yeah I seen her but...........all of them end up admitting she was there, but it was the other person who brought her in. With Chris no one messes up about him being in the house, I would think at least one of them would say yeah so and so did this or that with the male. Being there is only two involved with taking Chris away know one wants to say they saw anything because it places them at the seen of the crime. I would have to look back but I think his hands were tied with string, his sock in his mouth secured with a string and his feet with his own belt all things that could be found outside the house, now the bedding was there but remember they went back and caught his body on fire so they wrapped him after he was killed in the blanket and set fire to it. Even items from Chris's wallet were burned so them items were on him not at the house, if he was in the house while his pants were removed you would think all them items would have been there. His shirt was pulled over his head when he was shot, I don't think it was like that because they didn't want him to see what was coming. In a statement VC gave she said Davidson came out of the bedroom with a blue bank card and said he couldn't get the password/pin whatever you call it. I think he jumped to soon when he killed Chris and didn't get the password from him and Channon didn't know it. The photo on Boyd's phone were of young males sex (bondage), the police officer said it was not Chris and disturbing yes, but nothing to do with this case. Darn it is hard to even type all this stuff this whole case is really disturbing, I am ok with them all getting death, but I would like more proof Boyd was involved I know after reading all the statements and seeing who is trying to protect who I just didn't get the feeling Boyd was in on it, accessory after the fact, yes and if there is more out there I am sure he will get what is coming to him. Ok don't beat me up, this is JMO I am sure there are things I missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonetraveler View Post
    I hate to sound totally stupid here. I've followed these trials except for Boyd and I just have to ask, who the h is E? I know there who LD, DD, VC and GT are. Who is E?
    Yes lone... "E" as in "Eric" (...or E for "evil" take your pick).


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    Julie, pretty analysis there. I was always perplexed as to what happened to chris's pants. Someone took them. If chris's rape didnt happen at the house, where did it occur? There are several hours that chris must have been held, it was cold outside, so I would have thought everyone would have wanted to hang out outside and torture chris. On the other hand, there didnt appear to be any blood at the chipman house that could account for his rape there. My understanding was that his injuries were pretty bad (is that correct?). So if he ws raped at the house, had to be in the kitchen or bathroom. As for who killed chris, who knows. I have to beleive the ME that there had to be at least 3 that took him up there. He was dragged part of the way apparntly and i figure that takes two, plus one holding a gun. But I just dont think we will ever know for sure. No one is talking (not the truth anyway). Then we have the unidentified semen on Channon's panties. YOu couldnt write a mystery this complicated. I guess the bottom line to this is that if you are involved in something like this, no matter how small or large your involvement, you have to stop it, or at least had better go straight to teh DA office and offer to tell the truth in exhcange for a deal. Otherwise, the jurors will just lump everyone together and send everyone to death row.

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    Tomorrow, we'll hear the families give their victim impact statements. For those who won't be able to see them, here are videos of them from the Davidson trial. (I don't think they'll be any different in content, except Hugh might leave out that Chris wasn't a saint..?)

    Hugh Newsom's victim's impact statement (this one is a must-watch, imo):
    http://www.knoxnews.com/videos/detai...pact-statement

    Mary Newsom's victim's impact statement:
    http://www.knoxnews.com/videos/detai...pact-statement

    Deena and Chase Christian's victims' impact statements:

    http://www.knoxnews.com/videos/detai...pact-statement

    Gary wasn't able to present his last time; did he give it in the Cobbins trial?
    Always JMO, FWIW, YMMV...

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    Good morning, everyone.

    Still waiting for the judge.

    Martinez is out in front of the courtroom, and now they're replaying the Bosch interview. He says any appeal might overturn some of the charges, but that would be years away. I didn't catch what he said about the judge today.
    Always JMO, FWIW, YMMV...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonetraveler View Post
    I truly think that the rape of Chris happened in the house, most likely in the middle of the living room area of the house. These thugs have totally dismissed Chris as not worth mentioning, as an afterthought. They are not going to admit to a rape of another male. It is considered by them to be beneathe them and thus do not recoginize that they have violated, tortured, raped and murdered and mutilated another human being. That is the kind of people they are. Boyd is rumored to have a photo on his cell phone of the rape of a white male. I think the big mystery here is why this POS hasn't been charged with the rape and murder of Chris and Channon. This case will never be closed until he is charged. We have VC left and then hopefully, Boyd will get the rest of what is coming to him. Then maybe the families can get some kind of peace.
    Agree. I too believe that Chris was raped in the living room with all of them there watching, but no one wants to talk about Chris. They want to get him out of there ASAP. They all say it was someone else who took him away. In blaming each other, they also carelessly put themselves alone with Channon and away from the scary ringleader, whoever that was, and in a position where they could have stopped the crime but didn't. I can't believe Vanessa didn't make a deal, but I've also come to believe, she did part of the rapes herself, so I'm glad she didn't. Still think one trial should have been the way to go. I think it might have actually helped George Thomas, but oh well. A point in favor of separate trials is that it gives the prosecution experience so they can perfect their arguments and hone the presentation of evidence. TK, has always been good, but she so nailed the close this time. Perhaps the 100% conviction is a result of practice, practice, practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muffet View Post
    Good morning, everyone.

    Still waiting for the judge.

    Martinez is out in front of the courtroom, and now they're replaying the Bosch interview. He says any appeal might overturn some of the charges, but that would be years away. I didn't catch what he said about the judge today.
    Morning Muffet! Thanks for all your commentary. I think they may overturn part of George too, but maybe not. When you read the law, the jury did have grounds for the convictions. And just because there's not DNA doesn't mean GT didn't rape or murder. The system might give this one to the jury.

    Anyone know when Vanessa's up?

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    Interesting - they're discussing Coleman's case.
    Always JMO, FWIW, YMMV...

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    Ask and ye shall receive. There's talking about Vanessa now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muffet View Post
    Interesting - they're discussing Coleman's case.
    July or August?

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