I was wondering if GT's mother and aunt were in the court room when the verdict came in? How did they react to it, anyone hear or see anything?
If you read VC's statements to police at first she said that GT told her he felt ashamed for what he did to Chris....for shooting him, but then she makes a comment that it was Rome that shot Chris and when questioned she quickly changes it. VC throws LD and GT under the bus she pretty much said E was not involved except she thought she heard him talking when she was in the shower but never said she saw him at the house. Then you have Rome that throws LD and E under the bus, Rome and his gang just wanted out of there, Rome and Thomas really try to protect each other in their statements. If I remember correctly Davidson pretty much blamed his brother and Thomas. I have to go back and listen to Davidson's again. The only thing I don't get with E is if he was involved in the murders why didn't VC throw him into the mix with her statements. We know she was trying to protect Rome, so she could have placed E in his spot but she didn't that just puzzles me she comes off as never seeing E at the house. Ok now I am thinking out loud. I really REALLY dislike her and hope to hell she gets death.
Julie, it isnt possible to recite these peoples statements wtihout "rambling." lol.
But thanks for the recap of the statments. I forget who said what. I always got the gut feeling that it was Slim and E and GT that brutalized and killed Chris. Slim just needed to get ridof him, and used it as a chance to see what George "was made of" and made George pull the trigger. I suspect much of the rape of Chris was E, since it was reported that E hated white people. If you recall, while everone gave accounts of much of what happened, NO ONE ever said anyting about Chris's rape.
Oh, Julie, i ws wondering the same thing about George's family members. I couldnt see them, but the camera never panned over that far. I'm sure they will be there tomorrow.
As for E, I think that he is one of the main players in this case. I think that he was behind this just as much (if not more, IMO) as LD. Boyd is significantly older than the other defendents, I think he was 34 when they were arrested?? Am I wrong in that? I think that he was more powerful (in gang related and criminal history) than LD was, and I think in some ways LD and maybe even LC were trying to "impress" him with thier actions, and because of this all are afraid to finger him completely in any of this. At least that's the only thing I can think of as to why they won't say what part he had.
IDK, just my opinions...I've been proven wrong numerous times before!
Last edited by steelergirl; 12-08-2009 at 06:21 PM.
Oh I know what I wanted to say I always thought it was Davidson that did the rape on Chris because he had just gotten out of jail and sad to say in jail, middle class young white men are owned by the bigger population if you know what I am mean it is a status thing. Slim couldn't say anything about the rape of Chris because it would put him at the seen of the crime. Chris's pants were never found so I don't think it took place in the house....still thinking out loud here.
And VC puttin pj's on, cookin and carryin on like nothin's wrong doesn't sound like "fear" to me either friend...
I had thought the way they worded the part about companions in the jury instructions just wasn't as clear as it should have been:
A person cannot be held criminally responsible for the conduct of another ifPresence at the crime and association with the perp doesn't make someone criminally responsible, because it just shows knowledge (facilitation), but presence and companionship can be used to infer intent (criminal responsibility).
that person has knowledge of the other’s crime yet fails to act, prevent the crime,
render aid, or report the crime. A person’s presence at the scene of a crime, along with
an association with the perpetrator of that crime, does not make one criminally
responsible. Under a theory of criminal responsibility, an individual's presence and
companionship with the perpetrator of a felony before and after the commission of an
offense are circumstances from which his participation or criminal intent in the crime
may be inferred.
...It still sounds contradictory, but the bottom line does seem to just leave it up to the jury to draw their own inference, doesn't it?
So it looks like the judge's overturning of their decision would nullify their right, as it's written, to have drawn that inference....
but will try to listen tonight. I can't listen during the day in the office. I have so much admiration for the prosecutors here. What a difficult, tedious and not terribly well paying job. I couldn't even stand doing civil litigation never mind this. The families and these prosecutors are such fine people. It's hard to even think of them as part of the same species as the defendants in this case. The level of depravity and inhumanity here is beyond belief. I am in awe of the family and prosecutors living this every day for how many years now? Too many in any event and it's not over yet.
I'm so grateful to this jury. I feel like they saw through the empty rhetoric and could determine that all there were part of this and all, no matter their role, were equally guilty. I can't imagine that anything can really comfort these families pain but at least the verdict did nto increase the injustice.
Three things cannot long be hidden the sun, the moon, and the truth. -Confucious
Well this is why I think it was just Slim and Rome that raped and shot Chris and why it was not at the house. Now this is JMO we will really never know unless someone tells the truth. In all of the statements they start as never seeing Channon in the house, no man I left, wasn't there never seen the girl, then it goes to yeah I seen her but...........all of them end up admitting she was there, but it was the other person who brought her in. With Chris no one messes up about him being in the house, I would think at least one of them would say yeah so and so did this or that with the male. Being there is only two involved with taking Chris away know one wants to say they saw anything because it places them at the seen of the crime. I would have to look back but I think his hands were tied with string, his sock in his mouth secured with a string and his feet with his own belt all things that could be found outside the house, now the bedding was there but remember they went back and caught his body on fire so they wrapped him after he was killed in the blanket and set fire to it. Even items from Chris's wallet were burned so them items were on him not at the house, if he was in the house while his pants were removed you would think all them items would have been there. His shirt was pulled over his head when he was shot, I don't think it was like that because they didn't want him to see what was coming. In a statement VC gave she said Davidson came out of the bedroom with a blue bank card and said he couldn't get the password/pin whatever you call it. I think he jumped to soon when he killed Chris and didn't get the password from him and Channon didn't know it. The photo on Boyd's phone were of young males sex (bondage), the police officer said it was not Chris and disturbing yes, but nothing to do with this case. Darn it is hard to even type all this stuff this whole case is really disturbing, I am ok with them all getting death, but I would like more proof Boyd was involved I know after reading all the statements and seeing who is trying to protect who I just didn't get the feeling Boyd was in on it, accessory after the fact, yes and if there is more out there I am sure he will get what is coming to him. Ok don't beat me up, this is JMO I am sure there are things I missed.
Julie, pretty analysis there. I was always perplexed as to what happened to chris's pants. Someone took them. If chris's rape didnt happen at the house, where did it occur? There are several hours that chris must have been held, it was cold outside, so I would have thought everyone would have wanted to hang out outside and torture chris. On the other hand, there didnt appear to be any blood at the chipman house that could account for his rape there. My understanding was that his injuries were pretty bad (is that correct?). So if he ws raped at the house, had to be in the kitchen or bathroom. As for who killed chris, who knows. I have to beleive the ME that there had to be at least 3 that took him up there. He was dragged part of the way apparntly and i figure that takes two, plus one holding a gun. But I just dont think we will ever know for sure. No one is talking (not the truth anyway). Then we have the unidentified semen on Channon's panties. YOu couldnt write a mystery this complicated. I guess the bottom line to this is that if you are involved in something like this, no matter how small or large your involvement, you have to stop it, or at least had better go straight to teh DA office and offer to tell the truth in exhcange for a deal. Otherwise, the jurors will just lump everyone together and send everyone to death row.
Tomorrow, we'll hear the families give their victim impact statements. For those who won't be able to see them, here are videos of them from the Davidson trial. (I don't think they'll be any different in content, except Hugh might leave out that Chris wasn't a saint..?)
Hugh Newsom's victim's impact statement (this one is a must-watch, imo):
Mary Newsom's victim's impact statement:
Deena and Chase Christian's victims' impact statements:
Gary wasn't able to present his last time; did he give it in the Cobbins trial?
Good morning, everyone.
Still waiting for the judge.
Martinez is out in front of the courtroom, and now they're replaying the Bosch interview. He says any appeal might overturn some of the charges, but that would be years away. I didn't catch what he said about the judge today.
Anyone know when Vanessa's up?
Interesting - they're discussing Coleman's case.
Ask and ye shall receive. There's talking about Vanessa now.