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  1. #1
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    IL - Park Forest, WhtMale 1500UMIL, 50-60, Zippo Lighter w/Polish Flag, Oct'08

    http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase1779.html

    The Doe Network:
    Hot Case 1779

    Unidentified White Male

    The victim was discovered on October 9, 2008 in Park Forest, Will County, Illinois
    Estimated Date of Death: 3.5 Months
    State of Remains: Mummified

    Vital Statistics
    Estimated age: 50-60 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'5".
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair.
    Skeletal Findings: Ante mortem fractures all healed, four right ribs, three left ribs, rignt clavicle, both sides of nose. Slight scoliosis.
    Other: The deceased was a smoker and had a lighter with a Polish flag on it.
    Clothing: Route 66 Khaki pants, brown, size 34/32; short sleeve button down blue and white stripped shirt; State street brand brown loafers, size 13.
    Fingerprints: One thumb and one index finger print were obtained.
    Dentals: Dental work is consisitent with Eastern European dentistry. Full forensic dental description, photographs and x-rays available. Teeth 2-13 is a fixed partial denture made of porcelain and semi precious metal; number 3,5,7,10,12 are removed and replaced with a bridge; numbers 2,4,6,8,9, 11, and 13 are all restored and form part of the bridge.
    DNA: Sample available - not yet submitted.
    Case History
    The victim was found in a forest preserve several hundred yards from the roadway at 23450 Western Avenue, in Park Forest, Illinois on October 9, 2008.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    Gene Sullivan
    Will County Coroner
    815-727-8455
    Email
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number:
    08-0354
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:
    NamUs
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-27-2013 at 03:02 PM.

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    With the Skeletal Findings, he may have been a boxer of some sort?
    "Silence is very imporant. The silence between the notes are as important as the notes themselves." - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

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    Namus ID 5263
    50-60 year old white male found 10-9-2008 in Will Co. IL
    Ruled out: Jay Clark, missing from TX.
    Ruled out: Michael Cloer, missing from SC.
    Ruled out: Riley Hunter, missing from CO.
    Ruled out: Elliott Rountree, missing from GA.
    Ruled out: Raymond Shore, missing from AZ.

    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Ruled Out Confirmed Rule Outs

    Please search by date, since I made a typo and listed him in Wills Co. IA, not IL.
    Decent list of rule outs.
    Last edited by KateB; 04-26-2015 at 08:54 AM. Reason: repair url tag.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    FWIW Chicago has a large Polish population. The dates are way off, but maybe this guy was alive for a long time after he went missing? He is polish, from Chicago area, and the height is right...

    http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200300135S

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    I don't read, write or speak Polish, but this is the Chicago Polish paper. (Also the oldest polish paper in the country).
    I wonder if there was ever a news article about this john doe in this paper. Anyone know how to search it? Anyone able to make contact with the paper to see if they will run an article in Polish about this john doe?

    http://www.polishdailynews.com/

    If he was undocumented perhaps someone would not list him as missing.

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    As you see it...

    Maybe this is a silly question/observation but...

    I'm a bit interested in these shoes. It lists them as a size 13... Were his remains consistent with this? I'm curious because his approx. height is listed as 5ft 5" .. in my lifetime, I've not seen many men of that stature with that large of a shoe size. Call me an oddball if you like, but I thought that I would throw that out there.

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    It could be if he was homeless, he was wearing shoes too large for his feet.

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    The Doe link has changed and there's a reconstruction:
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1500umil.html

    They have added this information: "There was a plastic bag marked Joe & Franks Famous Homemade Sausage found with the body."

    http://www.joeandfranks.com/catering.asp
    has catering info in Polish.
    Last edited by Donjeta; 02-08-2011 at 03:27 PM.

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    That Doe link puts him at 75", or 6'3". That's more in line with a size 13 shoe!

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    Found a link to a Poland missing persons site which allows for a search for persons missing abroad. Still exploring the site.
    Possible:

    http://en.zaginieni.pl/missing-and-u...03731393030323

    I see some resemblence on the above. Dates are a bit off - 5 years. The MP has more hair, but whose to say how much hair loss may occur in 5 years. Ht within 3" ( based on cm to inches converter). The MP also appears to possibly have a similiar skull fusion on the top of the head in comparsion to the recon.


    Link to main page:

    http://en.zaginieni.pl/missing-and-u...eople-database


    There is also an address at the above link to email if one is trying to identify someone. I have sent an email to the address at the link with this UID's NamUs and DoeNetwork links and necessary information requested by the site.
    Last edited by Cubby; 06-08-2011 at 05:38 AM.
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    direct link to the NamUs case file for this UID

    https://identifyus.org/cases/5263
    ~JMO~

    A grandfather is someone with silver in his hair and gold in his heart. ~Author Unknown


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    I have also found a link to a Poland missing persons site:

    http://www.policja.koszalin.pl/posz_zaginiecia.php

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    There are two locations for Joe and Franks Famous Homemade Sausage. One is in Chicago and the other is Oak Lawn, IL. Chicago is about an hours drive north..depending on traffic. And Oak Lawn is about 20 minutes northwest. Oak Lawn has a rather large polish community.

    I live very close to where this body was found and this isn't the first body to be found in this forest preserve. I do think the location is really odd but it didn't surprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Found a link to a Poland missing persons site which allows for a search for persons missing abroad. Still exploring the site.
    Possible:

    http://en.zaginieni.pl/missing-and-u...03731393030323

    I see some resemblence on the above. Dates are a bit off - 5 years. The MP has more hair, but whose to say how much hair loss may occur in 5 years. Ht within 3" ( based on cm to inches converter). The MP also appears to possibly have a similiar skull fusion on the top of the head in comparsion to the recon.


    Link to main page:

    http://en.zaginieni.pl/missing-and-u...eople-database


    There is also an address at the above link to email if one is trying to identify someone. I have sent an email to the address at the link with this UID's NamUs and DoeNetwork links and necessary information requested by the site.
    Sorry to quote myself. I have received a reply email from the above organization/site indicating they do have a possible match, initials PK (I did not ask for permission to share the mans name so I will just add the initials) and they are working with both family and LE to determine if there is a match.

    I'm glad I was able to find the site, that this organization in Poland was able to find a possible match and that LE/ME in Will County is now aware of this missing persons site in Poland. I don't believe they (LE/ME) would have been aware of them without a group of volunteers such as ourselves being able to research this info and pass along.

    Even if it is not a match at least this organization in Poland is aware of this UID.
    ~JMO~

    A grandfather is someone with silver in his hair and gold in his heart. ~Author Unknown


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    good work Cubby. if only we could find MP sites for other Europeans.

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