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    All I have to say is Zack!!!

    Your parents should be proud!!!


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    Different schools have different rules about knives. Maybe I missed something but I assumed he had a Swiss Army knife. The article describes him using one blade and then pulling out the saw blade. That's typical of all Swiss Army/Victorinox knives. I would think that in a some districts (especially Alaska), a pocket knife would be acceptable. JMO

    And remember, few schools have metal detectors. There's no telling what kids have in their pockets. With this kid's anger, he could have used a sharpened stick, a piece of fencing wire, or even a pencil and killed the girl!!


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    http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2009...l-student.html

    The victim was stabbed 29 times with a folding pocketknife, police said, and suffered severe wounds to her leg, back and stomach. She underwent surgery for a collapsed lung. The charging document discloses more specific locations of the wounds:

    -- Left middle knuckle
    -- Left forearm
    -- Left wrist
    -- Right shin
    -- 8-10 wounds in the upper left arm and left shoulder
    -- Under the left eye
    -- On the left side of her neck under her ear
    -- Palm of her right hand
    -- Right forearm
    -- Right upper arm
    -- Right bicep
    -- Four wounds near her collarbone on the right side
    -- Two wounds to the right side of her cheek
    -- Eight on her upper back
    -- Two to the back of her neck

    I think it is extremely fortunate that this monster only managed to get three wounds on the young lady's face. The skin will heal. The heart and spirit will take a lot longer but it sounds as if she's a fighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    jnTexas--You honestly think that there's a chance in heck that a single person on this board thinks you're crazy?? Think again. You are just being a good Mom. I've gotten permission from my oldest kids to lurk on their Myspace pages as they keep their younger siblings as friends. That way, I can keep track of a lot of stuff. My only suggestion is to give your daughter lots of praise for making good decisions and keep the lines of communication open. You go, Girl.


    Concerning Zackery...I think we're looking at a future police officer. What a brave young man. His family and the young lady's family must be so proud and impressed with his courage.

    I'm scared to hear about the isolation and the anti-social markers about this boy. That describes my son with Conduct Disorder to a "T". Once, when he couldn't get a third grade classmate to answer him (because he was being rude), he shoved her so hard she broke her wrist. When he was rebuffed by another girl in high school, he stalked her until he got arrested. When I confronted him once about stealing, he knocked me out cold and then stole money out of my purse. The words used to describe this attacker are identical. This young man frightens me to the core. Thank God that Zackery came along.
    Great post. I have a 12 year old and have access to his MS page, and monitor his You Tube hits. He's not allowed to post, but can view. Gmail has a cool feature that allows all e-mails to be forwarded. Guess what - they're forwarded to me. He knows all this and understands.

    Something seriously went wrong along the way with this killer. I wonder what it was. I worry about video games that my son plays (Call of Duty 4) I just don't like it. But do I take everything away. He plays in the living room where I can watch, but wonder if there is going to be an underlying violent effect when he gets older.

    I'm sorry you experienced violence. Why do you think it's so prevelant these days? I'm 46, and back in the day kids actually behaved in school. And I never heard of a classmate stabbing another. It makes me want to cry.

    Hugs,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnTexas View Post
    Oh this is so scary!! You teach your kids to treat people the way you want to be treated. You teach them right from wrong. You protect them the best you can. The only thing is you never know the home life of the other child. Every guy my daughter talks to (she's 13 going on 21) I grill her about. what does his his parents do for a living? where exactly in our town does he live? does he have older siblings? what kind of music does he listen too? what are his hobbies? She says I stalk them. I don't care what she thinks. this type of thing is my worst nightmare. i can protect her in my care, but I worry about school and the bus.

    Oh and most important I go on her myspace. YES I have the passwords. I check out her friends, and if she is talking to a new boy I check his myspace comments, friends, and family on there.

    you may think I'm crazy, but she is my child and her safety is my number one concern.
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    LOL! Crazy like a fox, maybe. If MORE parents were as caring and concerned as you, these types of sad events would happen far less often, IMO. Stalk on!

    From TM's first link....
    http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/crime/story/1045938.html
    Chamberlain's grandmother, speaking to reporters after Tuesday's court hearing, said he was a good kid who had some problems. Margaret Abraham, 60, said Chamberlain had been going to West High School before a counselor suggested he go into therapy -- she said she didn't remember what the trouble was -- but he never went.

    The family moved and he started going to Service, she said. Back when they first started dating, Chamberlain had taken the victim to the prom. He was devastated after she started seeing someone else, she said.

    "He really wanted to marry her one day," a tearful Abraham said. "She would go back to that guy and it would just break his heart."


    Is it common practice for school counselors to suggest therapy for troubled students but never follow-up? If so, there's something wrong with that. Was he expelled from West High? I'm assuming he was. What's up with his parent(s) not getting him the therapy as suggested? They just move away, instead? What the....? Seems to be another case of a troubled kid falling through the cracks.

    And what's Grandma babblin' about? Do I sense a little "blaming the victim" or is it my imagination?

    Zack saved Lory's life! So young and already a hero. Lory and Zack will have a friend in each other for life. Bless them both, their families and community.
    Prayers for Nick, also. I believe he needs them just as much, if not more.
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    Mel--Moms and Dads can't be everywhere but we can make our kids aware of our expectations. One of the most memorable pieces of advice I ever got about raising kids is "It's not what they do, but how you respond, that makes the difference".

    Kids would not be normal or healthy if they didn't push the boundaries and try some "stuff". What matters is how we respond. It's best not to freak out but to stay calm and concerned and loving--to let them know that they can make a mistake but they need to make it right. Don't lecture. Kids don't have the listening capacity of a gnat. Use simple words and actions to teach. The heart to hearts are a perk of the twenties. Plus you both get to share a bottle of wine or a pot of coffee!!

    Try not to fix every little problem. Let them sweat. That's healthy. I personally feel that shame is a very good thing. There's not enough shame in our society today. Of course kids are going to go to R rated films, smoke some pot, drive too fast, look at porn, play violent video games. As long, though, as they know in the back of their minds, that "Mom or Dad wouldn't like this", they'll do fine. They will carry you on their shoulder like Jiminy Cricket!! It's very important to build the bonds strongly before the teen years set in--like battening down the hatches before a storm. You can ride it out. You'll both be proud you made it.

    I've found that if you keep touch a part of your every day life, it works like a charm. It's really hard to hug your Mom or your Dad and not have a conscience!! Kids go around thinking, "Bummer, I can't do that or they'd be disappointed". That's success, in my book.

    BTW, I just welcomed home, with loving arms, a delightful 20 year old--home from college (YES!!)--a survivor--an amazing young man. I could not be more blessed. This little boy/man was put into my arms at age two. I never would have imagined the incredible human being that he has become.


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    For ALL of you parents that watch your kids/teens, keep track of their friends, their My Space accounts, Face Book...GOOD FOR YOU ! In this day and time, we owe it to our children to provide every possible protection under the sun. Of course, they will throw fits, but I have learned over the years that they actually need that sort of structure and the knowledge that their parents care. Don't ever apologize for checking out their lives and who they are involved with, it will pay off in the end. My grown children are getting to the point where they are thankful that they had parents who monitored their actions...they never would have said this years ago. In fact, when they were teens they countered our rules with "I hate you" and other demonstrations of rebelion. Thankfully, that doesn't last forever !

    Congratulate yourselves for being great parents. It's much easier to turn a blind eye, it's the harder choice to monitor those in need of guidance. Keep it up !
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    You know what's really fun Searchfortruth, when you find your adult kids being just as strict as you were. Sometimes, I cringe for my sweet grandbabies and wish they'd get another chance before they get a time out. But I know that their parents are following in our footsteps and being firm but loving. I couldn't be more proud when I see that.

    We have a tradition in our family that when you really act out, you have to make the rounds to talk to your older sibs and family members and work things out. It's amazing how well this works. The kids get lots of good advice and feedback and know that they are being cared about.

    PS I still reserve the right to spoil grandbabies once in a while.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    You know what's really fun Searchfortruth, when you find your adult kids being just as strict as you were. Sometimes, I cringe for my sweet grandbabies and wish they'd get another chance before they get a time out. But I know that their parents are following in our footsteps and being firm but loving. I couldn't be more proud when I see that.

    We have a tradition in our family that when you really act out, you have to make the rounds to talk to your older sibs and family members and work things out. It's amazing how well this works. The kids get lots of good advice and feedback and know that they are being cared about.

    PS I still reserve the right to spoil grandbabies once in a while.
    BBM.

    Spoiling your Grandkids is not only your right, but your duty ! LOL !


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    I was checking up on the Nick Chamberlain case and came across this document. I don't see it listed here even though it's dated December 8th:

    http://ktuu.images.worldnow.com/imag...08-stabber.pdf

    The description of the crime is chilling. It is truly a miracle that this young lady lived.


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    "Chamberlain never explained why he attacked her".

    That one's simple. He knew she was dating someone else and even though she agreed to go out into the woods for a surprise, she wasn't totally compliant. She complained of being cold and wanted to go back inside. He wanted absolute control...plain and simple.


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    This case has been bothering me. I still don't see a trial date but I did find this. LM is one strong young woman!!

    http://www.adn.com/2010/02/10/113358...or-honors.html

    Feb. 11, 2010

    "Her lung had been punctured. The blade had come impossibly close to severing the artery in her neck -- to murdering her.

    Seventeen-year-old LM was on the ground, more than 70 wounds bleeding onto the white snow outside Service High School as police swarmed the area in a massive manhunt for the suspect, her 16-year-old former boyfriend.

    But she was still conscious. She knew she needed to survive...."

    and

    "....She's still in physical therapy for injuries to her left hand and shoulder, which were pierced by the folding knife. She expects to make a full recovery.

    "I did learn a little bit about myself and others," she said, "mostly that you can fight your way out of anything if you actually try."

    more at link


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    Scary...I'm lost for words..I am glad she will be okay.


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    After stabbing his ex-girlfriend more than 70 times with a pocketknife and as she clung to life in the woods near Service High School, Nicholas Chamberlain stood over her.

    "I put my hands up, and I asked, 'What do you want? Why are you doing this?' " Lory Miebs, the victim, told a judge Friday at Nick Chamberlain's sentencing hearing. "He said the three words that still haunt me: 'Just hold still.' "

    On Friday, Judge Michael Wolverton sentenced him to serve 42 years in prison

    Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2013/04/19/287183...#storylink=cpy
    Say what you mean, mean what you say, but don't say it mean.
    We are all just trying to make sense of an unimaginable crime.


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