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    Quote Originally Posted by Mominva View Post
    I hate to be graphic and even ask his question but i am curious. If she was in the trunk in the extreme heat would her body have bloated like you see with animals? I'm sorry if this is a stupid question i hate even typing this.
    I'm a complete layperson on this subject, but I'd guess that due to Florida's climate in the months of June (hot with alot of humidity/moisture), the body would bloat up, because of expanding gasses.
    The body would not mummify, as it would in a hot, dry, desert climate.

    I think after bloating, the body (skin and tissue) would 'stretch to it's limit', and rips or tears would occur, finally spilling fluids and releasing the built up gasses.
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    I am still searching, as I said, this is not an easy topic to find research results on.

    Unless I have included a link, it is my opinion and only my opinion that I am expressing.

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    When you think of how much hotter it is inside of an automobile during the month of June, in the Florida heat- compared to the heat outside of a car- it makes sense that the decomposition process would be exacerbated.

    Decompostion would occur much more rapidly, than if the body were left outside, for instance. Decomposition could possibly occur in half the time, lets say, than if the body were not left in the higher temperatures of a closed up automobile.

    The car could potentially act in the same manner as an oven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mominva View Post
    I hate to be graphic and even ask his question but i am curious. If she was in the trunk in the extreme heat would her body have bloated like you see with animals? I'm sorry if this is a stupid question i hate even typing this.
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    I give up on simple term searches. We need a forensic scientist or medical examiner's access to research. That is all I can find. Maybe some of this is published in terms I am just not putting in.

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    I have been looking for the forensics that were released and I can't seem to find the one that they talk about Adipocere, I am so sure I read it in one of the doc's. Now, maybe this is found on all decomposing bodies? Anyone else recall reading about it? If so could you please share the link...Thank You so much!


    I found another article that explains the Stages of Adipocere.

    A Preliminary Investigation of the Stages of Adipocere Formation
    "Snip" http://www.astm.org/JOURNALS/FORENSI...JFS2002230.htm
    Abstract
    Adipocere is a postmortem decomposition product which forms from a body's adipose tissue. This study aimed to chemically demonstrate the process of conversion from adipose tissue to adipocere.
    Samples of adipocere were collected from pig cadavers that were allowed to decompose for varying intervals.
    Samples of soil were collected from beneath the cadavers and analyzed to determine the leaching effect of adipocere. Gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS) was used to quantify the fatty acid composition of pig adipocere.
    Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy (FTIR) was used as a confirmatory test and to identify other components such as triglycerides and calcium salts of fatty acids. The study demonstrates the process of adipocere formation and the stages of formation through which the process passes using chemical techniques

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    wow tulessa thank you so much for this thread & for linking to that fantastic site

    yes, the photos shock me & I am queasy right now but there was a warning so I can only blame myself

    the info is interesting & important and victims deserve to have sleuths who are willing to stomach this

    I don't have any imput (I am scientifically challenged) but I've enjoyed the parts I've understood so far

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    Thank LambChop.
    Unless I provide a link, every one of my posts are to be considered rumor, Speculation, or simply MY OWN OPINION.

    “It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.”


    The missing and murdered cannot cry out for Justice. It is the duty for the living to do so for them.

    I stand with Standing Rock!

    We spoke, prayers were answered!

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/army-grant-...ry?id=43969890

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    I give up on simple term searches. We need a forensic scientist or medical examiner's access to research. That is all I can find. Maybe some of this is published in terms I am just not putting in.
    Texas State has a Forensic Anthropology department that focuses on decomposition. I took some terms from it, googled with them, and came up with these. If nothing else, we can pick up some search terms to use for more research papers on the net.

    Taphonomy of Child-sized Remains in Shallow Grave and Surface Deposit Scenarios

    http://ecommons.txstate.edu/cgi/view...ext=anthroptad


    An Analysis of Decomposition Rates on Outdoor Surface Variations in Central Texas

    http://ecommons.txstate.edu/cgi/view...ext=anthroptad


    A STUDY ON THE RATE OF DECOMPOSITION OF CARRION IN CLOSED CONTAINERS PLACED IN A SHADE AREA OUTDOORS IN CENTRAL TEXAS

    http://ecommons.txstate.edu/cgi/view...ad&unstamped=1


    And just for some extra fun:

    Vegetation Colonization of Experimental Grave Sites in Central Texas

    http://ecommons.txstate.edu/cgi/view...ext=anthroptad


    The Body Farm website:

    http://web.utk.edu/~fac/facilities.shtml


    Texas State Forensic Anthopology website:

    http://www.txstate.edu/anthropology/facts/
    Last edited by BeanE; 12-22-2009 at 05:57 PM.

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    the pic....wow....

    i have been curious as well at the differnt stages of decomp, from day one, 2.6 days, day 31 ....and then dec 11th......


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    Posted in Corpse Identification, DNA, Forensic Anthropology, Trauma by D.P. Lyle, MD on August 31, 2009


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    The missing and murdered cannot cry out for Justice. It is the duty for the living to do so for them.

    I stand with Standing Rock!

    We spoke, prayers were answered!

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/army-grant-...ry?id=43969890

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    I hope LE will NEVER have any reason to search my pc!
    Unless I provide a link, every one of my posts are to be considered rumor, Speculation, or simply MY OWN OPINION.

    “It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.”


    The missing and murdered cannot cry out for Justice. It is the duty for the living to do so for them.

    I stand with Standing Rock!

    We spoke, prayers were answered!

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/army-grant-...ry?id=43969890

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulessa View Post
    I hope LE will NEVER have any reason to search my pc!
    I think that quote stands for all of us. I've got your alibi, hahaha! OMG, what if one of us was in a very "bad" situation????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    Texas State has a Forensic Anthropology department that focuses on decomposition. I took some terms from it, googled with them, and came up with these. If nothing else, we can pick up some search terms to use for more research papers on the net.

    Taphonomy of Child-sized Remains in Shallow Grave and Surface Deposit Scenarios

    http://ecommons.txstate.edu/cgi/view...ext=anthroptad


    An Analysis of Decomposition Rates on Outdoor Surface Variations in Central Texas

    http://ecommons.txstate.edu/cgi/view...ext=anthroptad


    A STUDY ON THE RATE OF DECOMPOSITION OF CARRION IN CLOSED CONTAINERS PLACED IN A SHADE AREA OUTDOORS IN CENTRAL TEXAS

    http://ecommons.txstate.edu/cgi/view...ad&unstamped=1


    And just for some extra fun:

    Vegetation Colonization of Experimental Grave Sites in Central Texas

    http://ecommons.txstate.edu/cgi/view...ext=anthroptad


    The Body Farm website:

    http://web.utk.edu/~fac/facilities.shtml


    Texas State Forensic Anthopology website:

    http://www.txstate.edu/anthropology/facts/
    I love you BeanE! You have an amazing talent for finding information. (Got your back too for that alibi when the Fed's grab our computers.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21merc7 View Post
    I think that quote stands for all of us. I've got your alibi, hahaha! OMG, what if one of us was in a very "bad" situation????????????
    I would be yelling bloody murder...........no pun intended!
    Unless I provide a link, every one of my posts are to be considered rumor, Speculation, or simply MY OWN OPINION.

    “It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.”


    The missing and murdered cannot cry out for Justice. It is the duty for the living to do so for them.

    I stand with Standing Rock!

    We spoke, prayers were answered!

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/army-grant-...ry?id=43969890

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