So sorry if someone already wrote this (didn't see it when I skimmed), but could adipocere like the one in the picture here be the reason that RK said he saw somthing white sticking up in the woods, back in 08/2008?
There was a discussion on the RK thread about how he could possibly have seen anything white, if the skull was inside or underneath the trash bags, but maybe her body was swollen and adipocere was covering it, before decomposition caused the body to skeletonize and the skull/bones to sink down onto the ground below.
When I envisioned those skulls (which were anything but bright white, more mottled beige) in among the dense vegetation and mud, as well the black trash bags, pull up, laundry bag, trash, and a log, I could certainly understand why searchers didn't see it. I also could see how the contrast of so many dark colors in a gloomy place as a backdrop for something mottled beige would make you think 'white' as what you were seeing.
I don't think Caylee's skull was inside the bag. I think it was partially covered with the twisted remnants of the black bags.
I heard this a while back and didn't see a thread where it should go in.
I have heard that if you want to find out what a dead decomposing body smells like, to clip a fingernail and burn it. It allegedly doesn't smell exactly like a decomposing body, but is supposed to be close. And the smell is pervasive. And yes, I tried it.
I've got to stop eating dinner in front of the computer, lmao.
sorry ....so sorry to ask this....but should we list days of decomp and then try and link a pic and info to it?
day one june 16
one of the above days kc barrows the shovel
day 2.6 or close to it....caylee in the trunk...from the body farm for how long the body was in the trunk
(this could be the last image, KC had of caylee, baged the body, or re-bag the body because of fluid spill) or moved the body
day 12 june 27......car left at amscot
day 31 ....when CA reported caylee missing
and then dec 11 when caylee was found?
Last edited by TakeNote; 12-23-2009 at 01:06 AM.
Warning - Graphic pics @ link!
It appears day 31 would look like this.
"Adipocere is resistant to bacteria and can protect a corpse, slowing further decomposition. Adipocere starts to form within a month after death and has been recorded on bodies that have been exhumed after 100 years. If a body is readily accessible to insects, adipocere is unlikely to form".
Lord~please give me a break~Love, Noreen.
really interesting video of Bill Bass giving a quick tour of the body farm. shows skin slippage, hair mat, etc.
Nah, I'm finished anyway, until Thursday. I can sing Christmas songs and learn about decomposition simultaneously. (Isn't education more important than gingerbread cookies? That's how I would feel if I had the rum someone mentioned, lol.)
All of you have found some very interesting websites. I don't know how you did it, I came up with a few basic and boring sites, but thank you!
Unless I have included a link, it is my opinion and only my opinion that I am expressing.
JEFF ASHTON AND LINDA DRANE-BURDICK ARE MY HEROES!!
why was there adipocere found in the trunk/papper towels/trash bag.....if the trunk showed 2.6 days of decomp?....above suggest that adipocere starts in about a month of decomp.....
can adipocere form with only body fluids? and not the rest of the body?
and adipocere is grave wax right?....because i could be getting these mixed up....
The medical term for fat is adipo-
Also, there seems to be a huge range time-wise for the formation to occur depending on conditions. 2.6 days sounds rather quick to me though.
I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it left.
I have to leave for work, won't be back until Sunday night. Please keep this thread going as I have yet to be able to read all the links and thank you all for loving this tiny Angel.
D.P. Lyle, MD said, on November 12, 2009 at 3:47 pm
This scenario sounds as if it is a real life case and if so for Medico-Legal reasons I do not answer such questions. If it is for a work of fiction then you can submit your question and I’ll answer it. But I require certain information before answering questions. These requirements can be found on my website under the Forensic Community tab. Supply all info and send your question directly to me and I’ll get back to you as soon as possible. Go to: http://www.dplylemd.com
Wanted to ask him about the effects of freezing then thawing a body (because of the timeline, and popsicle questions by SA), but I wouldn't want to cause any problems for this forum. So do you think maybe it wouldn't matter if I'm vague enough? Or maybe someone here would know?
Just a theory that I've been playing with, that KC stored Caylee's body in the freezer for some time before transferring it to the trunk. Would explain the text to AH about getting rid of the source of the smell so much later than the 16th (24th? 26th?), the superficially irrelevant popsicle questions, and possibly any chemical inconsistencies like the accelerated formation of adipocere. If in fact there are inconsistancies- my knowledge of chemistry is almost nil.
Last edited by Linz; 12-23-2009 at 12:17 PM. Reason: ocd & not enough caffeine yet
'In literature a murder scene is often likened to a picture puzzle. If one is patient and keeps trying, eventually all the pieces will fit into place. Veteran policemen know otherwise. A much better analogy would be two picture puzzles, or three, or more, no one of which is in itself complete. Even after a solution emerges- if one does- there will be leftover pieces, evidence that just doesn't fit. And some pieces will always be missing.'
- Vincent Bugliosi
Good morning, friends. One of the most important things I'm learning is that there is a vast number of factors that determine what happens and when to a body after death. Far many more factors than I'd ever been aware of before. It seems the correct answer to just about anything would be "It depends...". This is some heavy duty learning for my old brain.
(Bless this sweet, beautiful, precious little baby. Guide us to the answers of what happened to her. We love you, Caylee.)