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    It seemed the killers of Jason swift lived in Hackney, very near Jason at the time of his killing. But the gang were involved in the death of barry Lewis from South London, and Mark Tildesley from wokingham (33 miles from central London). Here is a quick timeline of disappearence and murders of boys in London from 1979 to 1988.

    1979: disappeared: martin allen, 15, on southbound piccadilly line (left from kings cross). Last seen at earls court (which is where you can get connecting trains back north, or further south). Guy Fawkes night

    1981: murdered by unknown person(s), Vishal Mehrota, 8, Putney in south london. Putney is on district line. Royal wedding day.

    1984: Disappeared, Mark Tildesley, 7, Wokingham. Disappeared from funfair. Leslie bailey convicted of murder,

    1985: Murdered, Barry Lewis, 6, walworth south london. leslie bailey convicted. Although from south London, he was apparently taken to the flat in hackney north London. Seven or eight "men" were reported to have been involved in the poor little soul's death. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1509555.html

    1985: Killed, Jason Swift 14, Hackney north london, lured to the gangs flats in hackney. Leslie bailey et al convicted of manslaughter.

    1986: Disappeared Kevin Hicks, 16, Croydon south London. Went to local shop in evening and never returned.

    1988: Disappeared, Lee Boxell, 15, Sutton, South London. Last seen on sutton high street, where he said he might go to see a football match.

    Four of these boys disappeared when there was something festive or celebratory going on - guy fawkes, royal wedding, funfair, football match. jason Swift disappeared near to where the gang lived, and I have no idea if there were funfairs or anythign on at the time Barry and kevin disappeared. But as they were nown to target children at funfairs, perhaps they also targeted them at big events like bonfire parties, street parties etc. It coudl be that someone set off to go to a bonfire party to snatch a child, and on the way saw Martin Allen.

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    I'm going to look at this and get my head around the areas.
    I was working in Sutton about the time Lee Boxhall went missing. IIRC I would get the electric train from Sutton to the underground and then on to St Pancras. It was a long time ago though.

    I guess the best way to find kids would be where 'exciting' things are happening fairs , bonfires, street parties.
    I'm still stunned at the Photo of Lennie Smith and the photofit re. Martin Allen, IMO it's spot on for him.

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    Lee Boxell left his friends on the 10th Sept' 88 on Sutton high street to head off to Selhurst Park football ground 7.5 miles away. Nobody knows if he got there and nobody appears to have seen him at the ground. That's quite an area to start looking if he walked. He could have been taken anywhere on that route.

    Edited to add -the game was Millwall V Charlton

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    Kevin Hicks lived on Sissinghurst Road, Addiscombe on March 2, 1986.

    ''At 8pm, Kevin told his mother he needed some eggs for a GCSE Home Economics exam the next day and left his house to go to Lower Addiscombe Road's 7 Eleven but was never seen again''.
    http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n...amily_members/
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    Quote Originally Posted by brit1981 View Post
    God they are revolting. What sort of people get to gether to group rape a child. I cannot believe they only served nine years for the death of jason Swift. I also wish the media woudl not call him arent boy. He was a fourteen year old boy who had run away after his parents split up and he had to stay with a relative. He was fending for himself on the streets of London, and a group of men preyed on him, and (at least in their version), offered him money for sex.
    I've read somewhere that a lot of files relating to that investigation, Operation Orchid I think it was called, were lost too. Which always seems a bit suspicious when that happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisces Cloud View Post
    I've read somewhere that a lot of files relating to that investigation, Operation Orchid I think it was called, were lost too. Which always comes across as being a bit dodgy when that happens.
    http://www.nickdavies.net/1995/04/01...hree-features/

    I think this was originallt published in the daily mail back in the mid ninties. The second feature describes the real difficulties the poice had with getting a picture of previous investigations like operation orchid i.e files missing etc

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    If you use Google maps and use the addresses where the missing were last seen, there's a train station fairly close. I suppose it's not surprising as it's greater London but It would be useful for a person to 'hop off' here and there to look for kids.

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    Although, only that small group were probably involved with child murder, I always thought that there was a larger paedophile network in place, mainly centred around children's care homes. I believe Jason Swift was also in a care home in Islington at one point too. I've also read allegations that a politician's name cropped up during the Jason Swift investigation.

    Also, I've seen it reported that there was a ring operating in the 70s that used to have someone waiting at train stations in London, to spot runaway children to take and groom. So, I can believe that is what other groups could have been doing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisces Cloud View Post
    Although, only that small group were probably involved with child murder, I always thought that there was a larger paedophile network in place, mainly centred around children's care homes. I believe Jason Swift was also in a care home in Islington at one point too. I've also read allegations that a politician's name cropped up during the Jason Swift investigation.

    Also, I've seen it reported that there was a ring operating in the 70s that used to have someone waiting at train stations in London, to spot runaway children to take and groom. So, I can believe that is what other groups could have been doing too.
    Well, I have only heard of four of this group ever serving prison time for their crimes, yet according to reports seven or eight men wer einvolved in the murder of Barry Lewis.
    As for care homes, I have heard soemthing similar about Jason Swift, but not the others. But loo at what is going on now with young girls inc are homes being targeted by gangs. Also loo at the casa Pia case in Portugal. That was a system of abuse and child prositution being carried out from a "care" home, and involving several high profile people. It too the police years to finally do anythign and evidence (photographs implicating people) were lost. I have also mentioned this in the madeleine mccann forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Hood View Post
    Lee Boxell left his friends on the 10th Sept' 88 on Sutton high street to head off to Selhurst Park football ground 7.5 miles away. Nobody knows if he got there and nobody appears to have seen him at the ground. That's quite an area to start looking if he walked. He could have been taken anywhere on that route.

    Edited to add -the game was Millwall V Charlton

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    Kevin Hicks lived on Sissinghurst Road, Addiscombe on March 2, 1986.

    ''At 8pm, Kevin told his mother he needed some eggs for a GCSE Home Economics exam the next day and left his house to go to Lower Addiscombe Road's 7 Eleven but was never seen again''.
    http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n...amily_members/
    I have done some online research on the Lee Boxell case after reading Andrew O'Hagans book "The Missing" several years ago. (By the way: One of the best books I ever read.)

    I remember an article were his mother statet that he probably had to asked for directions because he didn't know how to get to Selhurst Park football ground.

    Another article mentioned that a woman came forward several years after Lee went missing saying that she saw a boy resembling Lee strolling (along the railway?) towards Selhurst Park football ground with a man who seemed to show him directions.

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    ALEXANDRA HICKS sister of KEVIN HICKS

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    I have recently met Alexandra online through the search for Tia Sharp, Croydon, [now deceased]. Alexandra is once again trying to raise awareness about Kevin through social media. She knows it's been a long time, both their parents have died. She hopes for answers, as do all the relatives of the missing. People always have hope. She is asking for national & even international coverage. When I did an online search, mention of Kevin Hicks here on WS came up so thought it worth a try to mention him again.

    Perhaps you are aware of this new campaign already.
    So many people hoping for closure, it is sad.
    Thanks.

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    What about asking Tricia here if she could be interviewed for the websleuths blog radio, and starting a thread about him hear. what about a twitter campaign and asking celebrities to retweet. I know that is a small thing, but it could be enough to get a Uk national paper to do an article - you know the type of "celebrities help twitter campaign to find missing teenager", or perhaps like this thread an article could be done on several missing boys from this time period. Also media seem to like age progressions so perhaps it would be worth getting one done - universities may be prepared to do one, manchester, shefield, and dundee have facial reconstruction programmes I think.

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    One wonders if this might lead somewhere

    http://news.sky.com/story/1009280/ca...of-sex-parties

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    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Kevin+Hicks

    Haven't checked in here for some time. Unfortunately there have been no developments in regards to Kevin Hicks.
    WS does have the above thread about him but not much to go on.

    Having once again read through these threads, as well as all we are made aware of by the media, it is shocking what has gone on.

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    This is a very sad and baffling case indeed. Thoughts and prayers are with the family and even though 33 years have gone by, hopefully one day they will find out the truth and get closure.

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    With the latest allegations of a cover-up it does make me wonder how many of these children ended up being targeted by a paedophile ring.

    http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.co...ed-up-in-1986/

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ld-sex-1714162

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    There was some movement in the Lee Boxall case

    http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...owtopic=236936

    http://www.itv.com/news/london/story...ing-cheam-boy/

    He was known to visit an unofficial youthclub near the church where youngsters would smoke and drink, it was known as the shed.

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    I started a Lee Boxell thread when the case was in the papers last September:

    Police search London graveyard for clues in disappeareance in 1988 of Lee Boxell, 15

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    There's another case mentioned below in which some people think might be connected to the Cooke paedophile ring.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...GaJdEg.twitter

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    Martin's mentioned again in the article below. This time in relation to the disappearance of another boy and a possible alleged connection to a VIP paedophile ring.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...edophiles.html

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    I recently learnt about this case and ever since I felt frustrated and sad that this case has never been solved. Since reading this previous reddit post and various articles about the case it strikes me as odd that a body was never found.
    I have come up with a few theories of my own. This abduction was not spontaneous, but well planned out in advance. It may have been that the abductor stalked Martin for awhile to work out his routine. According to the witness account the man that was with Martin appeared to be in control. This would suggest that he knew exactly what to do; that he had done it before and had planned it out carefully. Also, believe that the time of day was another significant factor. This person knew that Martin would take that line going home from school. Given that it was between peak and off peak times means that there would be enough people around for it not to be suspicious and not too many for Martin to easily get help or lose his assailant. Police later suggested a connection between the abduction and the Elm guest house on Rocks Lane. The pair was said to get off at Earl’s Court. The house could have been walked to, but they would have aroused too much suspicion. Therefore, it is possible that the man would have had a car somewhere nearby to transport Martin to the house, or elsewhere. It is also possible that Martin was killed on the 5th or a few days after. The amount of noise generated would have drowned out any screams (or gunshots), though I feel that strangulation was the most likely cause of death. The case was high profile at the time, so they would not have wanted to keep him for very long. As for the body, I believe it is highly probable that Martin was dumped into the Thames which isn't far from the house. Likewise his bag (which was never found) could have been weighted with stones and thrown into the Thames along with the body. There was no mention of the Thames being searched or even the back yard (if there was one) of the house being excavated in search of evidence.

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    40 Detectives Are Looking Into Claim That Conservative MP Killed A Boy At A Child Sex Party
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    Home Secretary Theresa May has warned that allegations surrounding historical cases of child abuse linked to Westminster could be merely "the tip of the iceberg" on the issue. She spoke after fresh allegations surrounding the*murder of an 8-year-old boy by a paedophile ring, which included politicians, emerged in recent weeks. The ring organized a series of parties attended by two Conservative MPs, according to a man who claims to have been victimized at the gatherings. As many as three boys were killed by the ring's members, he alleges.

    In an interview with the BBC, May said there were serious questions still remaining about how "the very institutions of the state that should be protecting children were not doing so".
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