Ok, this is a sick and twisted thought, but since Josh's fathers birthday is Dec 19th, could there have been a motive there for him to get rid of Susan as a sort of gift to his father? I know it's pretty off the wall but nothing in this story seems normal to me! Was Josh up in WA on Dec 19th celebrating the day with his daddy?
Boyfriends and girlfriends are not Babysitters.
Just because you want to be with somebody does not mean they will take care of your children.
As usual, I will go back and forth on premeditated and intentional versus accidental or due to fight but not planned.
I think I will always have to be convinced again and again that some people truly are selfish and evil enough to kill their own spouse, and mother of their children according to some plan.
Then I remind myself that it's no problem for a pathological narcissist who has the ability to not care that much anyways. The example being how fast Josh was ready to move on. Everybody else is still looking for Susan. I guess I'd have to accept that it may make him capable of a premeditated, intentional murder.
Wild theory, Vegas Bride. Now that would be too hard for my mind to handle.
I think Susan could have been drugged or poisoned when her friend was over since Susan became ill after dinner and went to sleep. I've thought from the beginning that he could have put her in the vehicle in a drugged state and left her out in some remote area to die of hypothermia or killed her there. I don't know what was on the wet spots, but she could have been trying to get away, struggled, or vomited as he was getting her out of the home. If the son said his mommy stayed in the woods then she was taken to the woods with them.
I don't think it was blood on the carpet..that would show..I think she vomited
I think the "timing" had to do with a decision by Susan...I think she had asked for a divorce, wanted him out of there, wanted the kids,
she basically supported them all...his money would be cut off, his "pride" hurt, his control broken
I think he gave her some sleeping pill or drugged her to give him time..I think that she may have thrown up...I think he got her/led her to the van and off they all went..."left" her in the woods
His 2nd "camping and smores" trip may have been to hide her better or cover his tracks or ??
I think the "father" may have helped him in the coverup but I doubt this was a planned conspiracy (but may be a conspiracy after the fact, accomplice after the fact)
I am firm in the idea that the MOST dangerous time for a woman in an abusive controlling situation is when she finally says "enough"..and ends it...I think Susan said "enough' and this tragedy unfolded
Hard to tell where to put this, but a child in WA just came across human remains and I wanted to post the thread on the off chance it had anything to do with this case...
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96165"]WA - 8-year-old Finds Human Remains Near Toledo - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
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February 18, 2010 - TOLEDO - An 8-year old boy playing in a wooded area in Lewis County, Wash., near the Cowlitz River on Thursday afternoon came upon remains that Lewis County sheriffs do not believe belong to Susan Cox Powell.
The mother of two young boys went missing from her West Valley City, Utah home in early December, and has yet to be found. (Click here and here for more information about Susan's disappearance.)
The sheriff's office said the 8-year old boy was playing outside at approximately 3:30 p.m. Thursday when he made the horrifying discovery that has local authorities looking for answers.
Detectives are searching the area and, at this time, have no information as to how long the remains had been there or how the person died.
One thing they are quite sure of, the remains are not those of missing Utah mom, Susan Cox Powell, whose hometown is Puyallup, Wash., about one hour southeast of where the body was found.
Chief Deputy Stacy Brown, Public Information Officer (PIO) for Lewis County Sheriff's office, told Examiner.com Friday, "We have no reason to believe the human remains found were those of Susan Powell."
Aerial footage of the scene captured by KOMO News' Air 4 shows detectives combing the area with cadaver dogs. A search team also can be seen forming up near the rural site.
Little information is available at this time but Examiner.com will keep you informed as information is released.
The remains were found at a location along the 100-block of Cougar Lane. Stacey Brown also said it is too early to determine if the person was the victim of a crime. She said the remains are most likely those of an adult.
Cadaver dogs are being called in to help search for additional clues, including something that might lead to the identity. The investigation includes checking missing persons records.
Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said authorities do not have any indication that the remains might belong to Lindsey Baum, the young girl who disappeared June 26 in the small town of McCleary, about 50 miles away.
Undersheriff Scott confirmed with Examiner.com that the remains are not those of Lindsey Baum and that the case of the discovered remains is being handled by Lewis County Sheriff's office.
Police continue their investigation into the disappearance of Susan Cox Powell.
The last person to see Susan was her husband, Josh Powell, who remains the sole person of interest in the case police call a missing person's case with suspicious criminal overtones.
Josh and Susan were both from Puyallup, where Josh is now living with his father.
Believe09 - Thank you so much for posting this. Not that I want this to be someone's loved one but maybe the family will finally have peace. I wonder if it's Nancy Moyer since they ruled out Lindsey Baum? So, so sad for everyone involved. I wish life were fair.
Last edited by Breathe; 02-19-2010 at 07:48 PM.
We have no right to ask when sorrow comes, "Why did this happen to me?" unless we ask the same question for every moment of happiness that comes our way. ~Author Unknown
Every time something like this comes up, POI will have to wonder if he'll be asked again by the press to make a statement about whether he thinks it's his wife. He could even wonder if he'll be framed. Enormous pressure. And don't let the boys watch TV. They might hear something where they bring up daddy's name again in the news.
MAP starting at Powell home in West Valley City, and site near where today's remains were found in Hobble Creek Canyon, Springville, Utah.
According to one TV station, the remains were found "about a five minute hike" off one of the main canyon roads.
The interesting thing? There's a winter recreation area in that canyon, including sledding hills.
Oh wow! This looks totally possible....
The latest news report says it's "unlikely" it's Susan Powell, although the body IS of a 25-35 year old woman.
The body appears to not be connected to any missing persons case.
Last edited by laytonian; 02-21-2010 at 11:42 PM.
"While it appears that Steven is close in age to Susan Powell and was driving through the Salt Lake City area within a day or two of her disappearance, any connection between the two seems entirely coincidental to us. Because we want to remain open to all possibilities, no matter how improbable, we have no issue with an exchange of information between the St. George and West Valley City police departments."
These types of articles give more leverage for the defense.
Last edited by RubyRed; 02-28-2010 at 01:15 PM. Reason: link
Where is Nancy Moyer?
Without "proof", the prosecution would shoot this down in a NY minute because of speculation.
Angel Who Cares has posted some great media info on the Links only thread. Please take a look. Thank you...YOU are truly an angel and Colleen Russell is right along your side. Good work ladies.
Last edited by hollyblue; 02-28-2010 at 01:33 PM.
No, but where was Steven when she disappeared? Do we know?
If he was in the SLC or Northern Utah, Nevada area, is it possible that he saw something or unintentionally helped Josh, left his name and number, and later was lured by Josh to Vegas? I am thinking of how he went out of his way to help his teenage neighbors in St. George a few days later. Is there any possibility that Steven met Josh in passing that night, with the boys and Susan in the van, helped them somehow, gave out his name and number, and was later tracked down by Josh?
Pure speculation, as I haven't followed the timelines closely enough for either case. But wouldn't several hundred miles put on a rental car take Josh to Vegas and back? Have the police released exactly how many miles? 200 or 700?
Where is Nancy Moyer?
Someone had posted on Steven's FB page, who had checked the buses running from Sacramento to Wendover. Bus left at 3 in the morning and arrived in Wendover at approx. 3 pm. This would have been around the time SK was going thru there after he left Ruby Valley. Thought it was interesting. The (SK's) timeline theory is in conflict with what the mother said in the press conference. She nor any family has never mentioned his going to the temple that week. Which I find intriguing.
Timeline, map, etc for Rachael
IMO, Susan didn't leave her children...........I still think it was domestic abuse that lead to murder by husband.
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It takes an extremely hot fire to burn a body to ashes. It is not easy to do outside a crematory. It would take hours and hours and a lot of fuel to do it in the desert. People would notice, I think. Also, even after a body comes out of a cremation, there are lots of big chunks of bone--especially the femur--left over. They have to be ground up. Not pretty.
I hope searchers are looking for evidence of burned bones.
Personally, I think the mines are a better bet. Ker-plunk, easy peasy.
Find a connect to them going back at least a year or more?
He didn't arrive back in SG until early Friday morning, per his own mother at the press conference and I would think she gained her knowledge with the help of LE. Plus the fact she worked at the bank which had all the information.
The date of him being in RV changed from the 8th to the 9th, to the 10th.
As far as the dates quoted, unless you have access to the receipts from the places he made purchases, or his bank records.....there is no way to know the precise date of them....and make a confirmation of the exact date in RV.
Maybe not a year or more, but maybe Tim? Kiirsi or John? Half truths....."she was abducted". Maybe someone in SG who had connections to LV? Maybe the connection is just Josh e pooh?....on the down low. Just throwing out ideas to you.
Here is link if you haven't read it yet for discussion of possible connection. Wasn't rec'd with the greatest seriousness, as you mentioned above, but unless they find either SK or SCP, I'm firm on it. JMO
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98870"]3/25/2010: Susan Cox Powell - Steve Koecher - Josh Powell - Connection? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
Last edited by hollyblue; 08-23-2010 at 10:41 PM.
Timeline, map, etc for Rachael
There is a really nice timeline compiled by laytonian as to SK movements going back about a year untill the date he went missing, with alot of detail on the time between Dec 7th and the 14th. Some very interesting stuff If you believe that SCP is alive...and believe there is a connection.
The time line is embeded in a story JAN 20 News 8 online Las Vegas tittle "Where is Steven Koecher"