"There is an enormous amount of peace in the truth and the truth is what it is and I can't fabricate the truth," said Jack.
Whoa! I must have missed this tid bit of information! This totally infuriates me! This man have children of his own, but does not want to deal with her kids. Red flag anyone? I surely would not date let alone marry a man who "didn't want to deal with my children." He makes me sick!
As for TPS, she doesn't deserve any other children. God gave her 3 beautiful, healthy children and she gives them up for a man. What a piece of work! TPS and JS if you are reading this -- Children are not dogs that can be given to the Humane Society when you "don't want to deal with them!" You don't deserve the love of a child!!!!!
~True strength is being able to keep it together when everyone else expects you to fall apart.~
A portion of an email from a valid source in SA:
She was seen here with the baby at the hotel. there is video. there is video at a restaurant. i do believe the baby is alive and that an adoption agency here helped her out. as far as nashville connection with the peters, i don't know. I just think they are awfully ballsy if they had something to do with this to be on national tv. i think authorities need to start questioning adoption agencies in town. i'm not sure but i hear that has not been done.
Hit next a few (3) times on the comment area until you find her ex husbands first name being used! hint hint the comment is in all caps!
When reading it keep in mind that this is her EX HUSBAND that is saying this but it does go along with what we already know about this woman!
And BTW if my mouse RATTED me out, I would squeeze cheese whiz out of his behind until he turned smurf blue. --Csquare
Smith said, "Because it's not a truth detector, it's a lie detector. I did not lie, and so that's why it came back inconclusive."
Maybe Tammi and Jack didn't want her own children because they could not own them 100% - their father was not going to be duped into relieving his custodial rights.
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JS: Man it feels like Christmas here in Phoenix...a chilly 52 degrees. We're in the midst of a hiccup with the new baby, Gabriel. The mother picked him up Friday evening to visit the father and hasn't been seen or heard from since. Pray!!
December 22, 2009 at 12:31pm
Dec. 14 Logan files in Maricopa County Superior Court
Dec. 14 Gabriel was found at the home of one of Johnson's friends
Dec. 18 Jack claims Elizabeth picked up Gabriel from them and became MIA
Dec. 22 Jack proclaims online they haven't heard from Elizabeth
Looks to me like they were purposefully creating an online record to cover their butts. However, how much of what they have said and posted is just smoke and mirrors. Liars make mistakes though.
It would be interesting to construct a Table with the timeline posters have been working on in Column A and the actual text of internet postings from Tammi and Jack in Column B.
I just cannot understand how these people haven't been arrested for extortion! Besides the kidnapping and possible murder, this is the one act in this case that outrages me the most. I wish I knew exactly what day it happened."When Gabriel dissapeared, they said basically, if you really care about your son and you want him back, and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, that you'll sign the paperwork and then she'll bring him back to us, and you'll know he's safe," said McQueary. "And I said, no, I'm not signing any paperwork."
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Logan was contacted on 12/27 by the Smith's with the threat to sign the papers if he wanted Gabe to end up in a safe place. That was shortly after he got the text from EJ that she has killed the baby.
Also, on Jack's MS he has pics of him and H. He sure looks happy in those shots with her. I wonder when he had his change of heart about kids...
I think he never had an aversion to them in the first place maybe...
But that's neither here nor there really, just interesting. Where's Gabriel?!
just thinking out loud again...
To Marigold, Reiyn, Dr. Know, and anyone else out in AZ --
If you don't mind, as soon as you hear of an arrest of the Smiths on attempted obstruction of justice, giving LE false information, baby brokering, giving unlicensed enemas, etc., please let us know! You may hear before the rest of us get the news --
My understanding from news stories:
She called Logan at work and asked him to relinquish his parental rights so she could put Gabriel up for adoption. He refused, so she gave Gabriel to the Smiths, called LE and said Logan had taken Gabriel and she didn't know where he was. Took them 6 hours to locate Gabriel at the Smiths.
Where did Dec 14 Gabriel was found at the home of one of Johnson's friends
come from? I haven't seen that before.
Once, Dec 9, Gabriel found in 6 hours, is all I've seen in news.
ETA: At the moment, I'm totally confused, because now I'm seeing stuff I haven't seen before. Could be my flu, but if someone can provide links for these, I'd really appreciate it:
Dec 9 Eliz called Logan and told him about the Smiths and that she'd already given Gabriel to them
Dec 14 Gabriel was found at the home of one of Johnson's friends
ETA for Dec 9: Then in December of 2009, another police report revealed Johnson called police and told them McQueary had taken Gabriel and would no give him back.
Police later accused Johnson of filing a false police report after learning Johnson herself gave Gabriel to Tammi and Jack Smith.
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This is the first time that I have seen (or heard) of TPS stating that the reason EJ skipped town instead of bringing Gabriel to Logan was because Logan threatened to skip town with Gabriel and head to his sister's house in Illinois, and take EJ out to the desert and that nobody would ever find her again.
Here's a video with TPS stating this via a phone conversation with the reporter.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When did this come -- when did she come forward about this adoption stuff? And when did she give you the papers?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She didn`t give me any papers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She just -- I was at work one day and she called me on the phone and said, You need to sign these papers. And I said, What papers? And she said, I already gave him to the people who are going to adopt him. And that was the day after we`d broken up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When was that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 9th of December.
In regards to the deleted fb message on TPS fb wall (I know someone here had a screenshot of it) I can say with confident that it was probably NOT intented for LM at all simply because LM is NOT 'friends' with TPS and therefore has no visible access to reading posts on her wall.
I see that LM and EJ are also not 'friends' on fb and that many of LM friends have displayed pictures and messages in their profile in an attempt to help find this precious boy. A short e-mail to LM was answered rather fast keeping in mind that he is probably flooded with e-mails and prayers right now.
For the short time JS and TPS have had Gabriel, there are a LOT of pictures posted in her photoalbums! Once she claims she had only known EJ for '2 - 3 weeks', then she claims it's been 7 months.....however the pictures were uploaded TEN months ago.