I really don't think Tammi & Jack are into brokering babies or providing a surrogate service. I think this woman wanted a baby. I think she ran and responded to ads online, relied on word of mouth through friends, and eventually met up with our lil' nut case EJ. I think she probably mentioned to EJ that they had adopted and were looking to adopt again and maybe she told Elizabeth if she knew anyone considering adoption to please pass her card along to them. EJ probably told her that she was considering it and there the friendship begins. Then EJ fills Tammi & Jack full of crap about Logan and they swallow every bit of it, they really believed her. I believe Tammi did help her leave AZ with Gabriel and helped her find the underground through a church or women's shelter. I don't know if Tammi sent EJ away to hide Gabriel or to place him for adoption with another family but my guess is that she sent her away as a ploy to get Logan to sign those dam adoption papers. When that backfired I think EJ went through the shelter underground and placed Gabriel for adoption. I do think that the friend in Tenn...Janet Morris helped facilitate the adoption.
I don't think Tammi knows where Gabriel is but I think she knows how he got to where he is and that is what is going to send her to jail. All jmo of course.
Last edited by momtective; 01-09-2010 at 07:46 PM.
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Last edited by BeanE; 01-09-2010 at 07:47 PM.
Nothing at all has indicated she was into baby selling. Assuming she did think she could just hide him out for a while and then have him back later, she is smart enough to know by now that will never work! Any normal person would have arranged for him to show up at a fire station by now in that situation. Selling him just doesnt serve her selfish need for a child, they are not poor. They dont need the money.
I've started a new thread here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4658199#post4658199"]AZ - 8 mo. old Gabriel Johnson missing since 12-26-09, #4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
I'll have this one closed.
Threatening Logan with "sign if you ever want to see your baby in a safe home"
Bio child posting she thinks TPS is involved due to what she did to them.
Step child posting that JS gained custody of H. through underhanded measures.
The Smiths denying having any idea of the Nashville connection and then a couple of hours later admitting to knowing the exact Nashville connection, which just so happens to be a friend of theirs that has a history of at least one adoption where the father was revoked of his custodial rights in what appears a to be a shady way.
The phone call from EJ to the Smiths. The one immediately following (according to TPS) the text to Logan claiming having killed Gabriel, telling TPS that she just made that claim to Logan but that the baby was indeed fine and safe. Why was she still in contact with them at this point, if she had really just fled and killed Gabe?
The suddenly remembering key pieces of information all of a sudden, and now going back in to have memories extracted? memories that are so repressed... from 2 weeks ago?
There's simply too many other pieces here. I just can't wrap my head around the Smiths being anything less than the shot callers on this one.
I still think Gabriel is alive and I think that TPS knows exactly where he is, or at least was, when he was handed off. I think she was in touch with EJ through the entire AZ > TX > FL trip. I think LE is perfectly aware of this, and their involvement.
Whether or not it goes deeper than just Gabriel, I don't know. For now I would be content with Gabe being brought home to Logan. After that, I hope everyone can find peace of mind regarding their involvement or lack thereof.
Welcome all new posters, and lurkers
And to the regs posting on this thread- wow. you guys are really on it I can barely keep up, and every time I go to post my thoughts, someone has posted it, so I just hit thanks! haha.
you guys are great
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"A true artist will always be open minded because that's their responsibility." - Lee Quinones
(my question mark key won`t work properly)
I posted earlier that TF only had her two middle kids on her `top`friends on MS & I was thinking there was an issue there (beyond the obvious ones we all have seen)
so I`m thinking `G`
I hope against hope Gabriel is fine, but it's not looking good. I have never wanted to be so wrong about something.
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With Tammi's claims of missions in Africa, I ponder if they have been practicing their craft in places where the law is either corrupt or near to non-existant, finally getting the nerve up to move their "business" endeavor to the states. I hope LE is accessing their passport records...
I've been watching DirecTV News Mix all day until the wee hours, refreshing the Gabriel thread here obsessively, searching Google News, and looking for links constantly, just to see the words "Gabriel Found Safe." I know all of you are doing basically the same thing. That's one of the reasons the Smiths' happy-go-lucky, look-at-us, we-feel-in-our-hearts-Gabriel-is-fine (shades of Casey Anthony!) attitude is making me so angry. I tell you, they'd better know he is fine to act this way. If it turns out they have no idea what his situation is at this time
geezuz (I can`t post the profanity I`m really thinking right now), how `bout they just say what they actually know & remember!
I really feel for LE right now - they must be SO frustrated with these lunatics!
here`s a tip TFPS: JUST TELL THE TRUTH & you won`t have to present hairbrained nonsense like that to detectives
LE has enough to do trying to find BABY GABRIEL without spending hours listening to your BS!!!!
WHERE IS GABRIEL
WHERE IS HE
BRING HIM HOME TO HIS DADDY NOW!
(ok, time for me to take a break)
there were some early reports that the house was leased but then we saw pics of the house in progress & that they did a lot of work on their own so maybe it`s the land that`s leased or maybe none of its true & they just have a load of $$$ or maybe it`s partially true & they`re mortgaged to the hilt
Off Topic: I once dated someone whose mother was in real estate but she had been a single mother for many years and was by no means `wealthy`
however, by all appearances, she was - she lived in a mansion and drove a brand-new beemer
well, the mansion was acquired on the cheap through her real estate connections and she divided it up into apt`s and rented out half the house
anyway, point being - appearances can deceive