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    Maybe KC DID drop Caylee off at Sawgrass?

    I read through several transcripts yesterday and came across something I'd missed before. It's in KC's first interview with Yuri on 7/16/08. KC is describing the location of "Zanny's" apartment at Sawgrass. Considering that there is often a tiny grain of truth in a liar's words AND the fact that the mention of a "shed" seems extraneous information, I am wondering if perhaps KC DID drop Caylee off at Sawgrass...in the shed she describes here: (See bolded)

    7 Q Do you remember the apartment number?
    8 A Two ten.
    9 Q Okay.
    10 A It's on the second floor.
    11 Q If you were to pull into the Saw Grass Apartments would the building be the one
    12 closest to the road, furtherest back, half way?
    13 A As soon as you go straight you go over one speed bump and it's the first one on
    14 the right hand side.
    15 Q Okay, is there a pool next to it? Or is there anything about the...
    16 A There's...
    17 Q ...apartment that stands out?
    18 A There's a welcome sign um, I guess there's a little shed close to the building
    19 maybe about ten yards away.


    link to transcript is here: http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_ant...411-071608.htm


    I don't recall seeing any discussion here about this shed nor reading about any investigation of the grounds at Sawgrass besides the apartment. I'm wondering if perhaps this shed was a temporary holding place for Caylee. Is there any evidence that KC was at Sawgrass or pings that would place her there between leaving Hopespring with Caylee and later showing up at Blockbuster? Any thoughts?

    This is my first time starting a thread; I hope I've done it correctly!

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    I personally think that the only place Caylee was dropped off at is off of Surburban Drive in the woods...
    JMHO..
    But then on second thought.
    Who knows? She could have hid Caylee there..
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrankyPants View Post
    I read through several transcripts yesterday and came across something I'd missed before. It's in KC's first interview with Yuri on 7/16/08. KC is describing the location of "Zanny's" apartment at Sawgrass. Considering that there is often a tiny grain of truth in a liar's words AND the fact that the mention of a "shed" seems extraneous information, I am wondering if perhaps KC DID drop Caylee off at Sawgrass...in the shed she describes here: (See bolded)

    7 Q Do you remember the apartment number?
    8 A Two ten.
    9 Q Okay.
    10 A It's on the second floor.
    11 Q If you were to pull into the Saw Grass Apartments would the building be the one
    12 closest to the road, furtherest back, half way?
    13 A As soon as you go straight you go over one speed bump and it's the first one on
    14 the right hand side.
    15 Q Okay, is there a pool next to it? Or is there anything about the...
    16 A There's...
    17 Q ...apartment that stands out?
    18 A There's a welcome sign um, I guess there's a little shed close to the building
    19 maybe about ten yards away.


    link to transcript is here: http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_ant...411-071608.htm


    I don't recall seeing any discussion here about this shed nor reading about any investigation of the grounds at Sawgrass besides the apartment. I'm wondering if perhaps this shed was a temporary holding place for Caylee. Is there any evidence that KC was at Sawgrass or pings that would place her there between leaving Hopespring with Caylee and later showing up at Blockbuster? Any thoughts?

    This is my first time starting a thread; I hope I've done it correctly!
    You did it right. If I'm not mistaken, way back when, possibly on the general discussion threads, there was a discussion surrounding this idea. I'll do a quick search and tell you if I find anything. I don't believe the discussion led to anything though just that it was discussed as being a possibility.

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    Oh, of course I agree that she had Caylee in the trunk at some point and left her in the woods! I guess I wasn't clear in my first post. I was thinking the shed may have been a temporary "storage" place before the trunk/woods. It does seem like Caylee wasn't in the trunk the entire time between when she was last seen and when she was disposed of.

    JMO, of course!

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    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ed#post3776838

    For instance, here is something but it doesn't tell us anything concrete. A banned poster states that the shed pictured (post 1429 and 1430) is the one at Sawgrass, that it was searched and cleared. No link, no proof. Why and how would the poster know?

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    Liltigress was able to get DavidK, a Sawgrass resident, to come on and answer a bunch of questions...including about the shed. Thread here if you wanna search on keyword, "shed" and read more...

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71537"]Sawgrass Resident Shares Insight - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

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    To me, this is a never ending loop...I appreciate the topic of the thread...it is just...at what point is any of this going to explain away KC's actions? It won't that is for mitigation, I guess. Since she seems to want to stick with the same bullcrud song and dance.

    Having said that, originally KC claimed to have dropped Caylee off at that apt. complex only to later say Caylee was stolen from her at JB Park. Her check fraud case is about to happen. I would imagine at this point her very "televisioned crazed" attorneys would do almost about anything. Tick tock. Should have pled her out on the obvious check fraud charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBitty35 View Post
    To me, this is a never ending loop...I appreciate the topic of the thread...it is just...at what point is any of this going to explain away KC's actions? It won't that is for mitigation, I guess. Since she seems to want to stick with the same bullcrud song and dance.

    Having said that, originally KC claimed to have dropped Caylee off at that apt. complex only to later say Caylee was stolen from her at JB Park. Her check fraud case is about to happen. I would imagine at this point her very "televisioned crazed" attorneys would do almost about anything. Tick tock. Should have pled her out on the obvious check fraud charges.
    IMO, NOTHING could ever explain away KC's actions. Another crime scene, however, if previously uninvestigated, could have the potential of providing more evidence to convict.

    Thanks to all who have provided links for further reading!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBitty35 View Post
    To me, this is a never ending loop...I appreciate the topic of the thread...it is just...at what point is any of this going to explain away KC's actions? It won't that is for mitigation, I guess. Since she seems to want to stick with the same bullcrud song and dance.

    Having said that, originally KC claimed to have dropped Caylee off at that apt. complex only to later say Caylee was stolen from her at JB Park. Her check fraud case is about to happen. I would imagine at this point her very "televisioned crazed" attorneys would do almost about anything. Tick tock. Should have pled her out on the obvious check fraud charges.
    I agree with you-Though some of these threads are good to start or bring back around to filter through the updated lens we have, I certainly am not ready to go nuance for nuance, detail for detail again, trying to debate KC's guilt, and clog up this great thread...This thread, my humble suggestion, is a great thread for sleuthing and moving forward!
    That written, KC would not have to have gone back to Sawgrass to remember the layout, she had been there many many times when AD lived there.
    There is also Ms. Aleman who lived at Sawgrass, who police were steered to by an uptight KSR. I know they must have followed up on VA, her toddler (supposedly/possibly Zachary), and her Jasmyn & Michelle MySpace references (ZFG's children). Even if VA was not involved at all, LE had to have followed up on this one-They went so far as to note it in their reports. VA went to Valencia (per Facebook) and KSR told LE that Vicki was a better friend/knew KC better than she did.
    Also to be noted, someone with VA's name and approx. age was arrested for disturbing the peace (IIR the charges correcly) back in October, 2008. Wonder if Ms. Aleman is a hardy partier?
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    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't LE tell KC they had video tapes of comings/goings on particular dates and that "whoa and behold" no entrances/exits of KC's car? I seem to remember that was part of the interview with KC...where one of the cops tells her as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBitty35 View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't LE tell KC they had video tapes of comings/goings on particular dates and that "whoa and behold" no entrances/exits of KC's car? I seem to remember that was part of the interview with KC...where one of the cops tells her as much.
    Yeah, but this was when she told them the 9th...I don't know if they ever got footage of the 16th. I'll have to go back and listen again (geez I hate that tape, I can't get over the fact that she actually brought LE to that place as if she worked there!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woe.be.gone View Post
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ed#post3776838

    For instance, here is something but it doesn't tell us anything concrete. A banned poster states that the shed pictured (post 1429 and 1430) is the one at Sawgrass, that it was searched and cleared. No link, no proof. Why and how would the poster know?
    For the life of me I have no idea why I remember reading this but I think the shed pic on the wftv slideshow is from TLs camera phone. There are pics of an older gentleman and his little dog as well. I'm pretty sure abt this but it was a while back-things do get fuzzy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jayla View Post
    ...Though some of these threads are good to start or bring back around to filter through the updated lens we have, I certainly am not ready to go nuance for nuance, detail for detail again...
    Respectfully snipped...It is VERY interesting to read some of the earliest transcripts through the lens of what we know now. I was listening to Lee and Casey's jail visit (second day) the other day. At one point he is saying (in code) you talked to so many people or texted this person...well now we can match them up to just who he was talking about. I had done this a few months ago as well...he was mostly talking about Jesse Grund I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jayla View Post
    Yeah, but this was when she told them the 9th...I don't know if they ever got footage of the 16th. I'll have to go back and listen again (geez I hate that tape, I can't get over the fact that she actually brought LE to that place as if she worked there!)
    Maybe it was an interrogation tactic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BondJamesBond View Post
    Liltigress was able to get DavidK, a Sawgrass resident, to come on and answer a bunch of questions...including about the shed. Thread here if you wanna search on keyword, "shed" and read more...

    Sawgrass Resident Shares Insight - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
    I just read that whole thread. It got especially interesting once it moved to the parking lot! Did anything ever come of Casey's connection to apartment 210 per all that wonderful sleuthing? TIA if anyone knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrankyPants View Post
    I read through several transcripts yesterday and came across something I'd missed before. It's in KC's first interview with Yuri on 7/16/08. KC is describing the location of "Zanny's" apartment at Sawgrass. Considering that there is often a tiny grain of truth in a liar's words AND the fact that the mention of a "shed" seems extraneous information, I am wondering if perhaps KC DID drop Caylee off at Sawgrass...in the shed she describes here: (See bolded)

    7 Q Do you remember the apartment number?
    8 A Two ten.
    9 Q Okay.
    10 A It's on the second floor.
    11 Q If you were to pull into the Saw Grass Apartments would the building be the one
    12 closest to the road, furtherest back, half way?
    13 A As soon as you go straight you go over one speed bump and it's the first one on
    14 the right hand side.
    15 Q Okay, is there a pool next to it? Or is there anything about the...
    16 A There's...
    17 Q ...apartment that stands out?
    18 A There's a welcome sign um, I guess there's a little shed close to the building
    19 maybe about ten yards away.


    link to transcript is here: http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_ant...411-071608.htm


    I don't recall seeing any discussion here about this shed nor reading about any investigation of the grounds at Sawgrass besides the apartment. I'm wondering if perhaps this shed was a temporary holding place for Caylee. Is there any evidence that KC was at Sawgrass or pings that would place her there between leaving Hopespring with Caylee and later showing up at Blockbuster? Any thoughts?

    This is my first time starting a thread; I hope I've done it correctly!
    The grain of "truth" is actually fact, which is there is a Sawgrass apt building. IMO, the mention of a shed is merely an embellishment that all pathological liars use to make their lies sound convincing. If you haven't heard about a shed in discovery, etc, then there's nothing there. Totally. Nothing. IMO, not worth pursuing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBitty35 View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't LE tell KC they had video tapes of comings/goings on particular dates and that "whoa and behold" no entrances/exits of KC's car? I seem to remember that was part of the interview with KC...where one of the cops tells her as much.
    Yup...they did say that...but we doubted there were cameras...especially ones that would have the same tape over a month later. Think we even discussed the looping.

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    Yeah, but this was when she told them the 9th...I don't know if they ever got footage of the 16th. I'll have to go back and listen again (geez I hate that tape, I can't get over the fact that she actually brought LE to that place as if she worked there!)
    I doubt there ever was any tape. They were just trying to trick her out of a confession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    I doubt there ever was any tape. They were just trying to trick her out of a confession.
    I agree with you NTS and don't think there was a tape either. But IMO I don't think they were trying to trick her into a confession, I believe they were trying to get her to tell the the TRUTH so they could find Caylee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CrankyPants View Post
    [snip]

    15 Q Okay, is there a pool next to it? Or is there anything about the...
    16 A There's...
    17 Q ...apartment that stands out?
    18 A There's a welcome sign um, I guess there's a little shed close to the building
    19 maybe about ten yards away.

    [snip]
    Respectfully snipped.

    KC was being questioned about the apartment. I think LE wanted to determine if KC knew the layout of the apartment, i.e., had ever been inside.

    KC either misunderstands or purposefully distracts since she has no lie ready for that and/or does not want to get trapped so begins to explain the apartment complex layout.

    I don't think that is what LE was after and I think KC knew that but did not have an answer. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notthatsmart View Post
    I doubt there ever was any tape. They were just trying to trick her out of a confession.
    Confess about what?

    At that time LE were trying their hardest to get leads that would allow them to find Caylee. It was Conscience of Guilt on KC's part that she felt she was being entrapped into a confession.

    They had suspicions since nothing was proving to be true but did not really know Caylee was dead until they had the first forensics,

    KC was arrested for child negligence because she would not cooperate and help LE find Caylee. I honestly believe that LE thought by throwing KC in jail she'd come clean.

    They were trying to get some viable leads to go searching not seek a confession. IMHO.
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    I'm an idiot with pings...is there anyone that can tell me if KC ever pings at Sawgrass? Is it possible that LE did collect physical evidence at Sawgrass and we just haven't seen anything in the discovery yet because they're still investigating? Not trying to stir any pots here--it's just that one statement about the shed stuck with me through all the reading I did yesterday!

    TIA!!

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    It is my understanding that Diptera: Calliphoridae (Blowflies) show up within 30 minutes of death. The fact that only one leg from a blow fly was found in the trunk means that this corpse fauna did not have access to the corpse. If the remains had been decomposing in a shed at Sawgrass there would have been alot more initial colonizers. The fact they were not there IMO excludes the possibility of this type scenario.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CrankyPants View Post
    I'm an idiot with pings...is there anyone that can tell me if KC ever pings at Sawgrass? Is it possible that LE did collect physical evidence at Sawgrass and we just haven't seen anything in the discovery yet because they're still investigating? Not trying to stir any pots here--it's just that one statement about the shed stuck with me through all the reading I did yesterday!

    TIA!!
    The pings show her in the area of the Anthony home till 4:11pm then she starts traveling toward Tony's area of town.

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2821335&postcount=1"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Ping Map for June 16, 2008 - Discuss that day only.[/ame]


    0000-0322 continuous cell activity
    break in activity sleep pattern
    0745-1614 in the area of the parents
    1618-1757 movement to the north, west and northwest
    1757-2317 in the area of Semoran Blvd and Aloma ave
    break in activity sleep pattern

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20318259/detail.html

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    KC's written statement 7/16/08 is here
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media...8/41844520.pdf
    I am going to paraphrase:
    1) monday June 9 between 9am and 1pm dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass with "Nanny"
    2)"Nanny's" name is ZFG
    3)ZFG has watched Caylee for past 1 1/2 to 2 years
    4)ZFG is 25, from New York, roughly 5'7", dark brown curly hair
    5) Met ZFG thru JMH, ZFG watched his son Zachary for about 6 months to a year
    6)Met ZFG in 2004 around Christmas
    7)Dropped Caylee off and went to work at Universal Studios Orlando
    8)Left work around 5pm, went to Sawgrass no Caylee no ZFG
    9)Called ZFG's phone but it had been turned off (that day)
    10)Waited 2 hours and then went to places (plural) that ZFG would take Caylee and went to JB Park
    11)Then went to one of few places felt "at home" TL and spent the rest of the night "worrying and pacing"
    12) lied and stolen from friends and family, to find my daughter
    13)Thursday June 12 got a quick call from Zenaida
    14)Every day gone to Malls and parks looking for ZFG and Caylee
    15)gone to popular bars and restaurants looking for Zenaida
    16)Tuesday July 15 around 12pm got a call from Caylee
    17)Zenaida never explained why Caylee is no longer in Orlando
    (so ZFG said she wasn't in Orlando? when did she say that?)

    If I believe KC dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass Apartments how would I explain that the rest of her written statement, so far, has been proven to be nothing but lies?
    IMO 2 proven truths in this written statement
    #12 - lied and stolen from friends and family
    #15 - gone to popular bars and restaurants
    ...the humble opinion of Jo Schmo...0 number of Days Jury Deliberated for Caylee

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