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    Evidence for "Dead body in the Damn Car"#2

    ok. I think it's about time that we can at least agree that there was a dead body in the pontiac.
    Here what I have if anyone want's to disagree please do so:

    1. KC discusses smell...speaks of a "dead squirrel"
    2. CA says the car smells like "there is a dead body in the dam car.'
    3. GA talks about the dead body smell in car
    4. LA talk about the dead body smell in car
    5. LE talks about the dead body smell in car
    6. two independent cadaver dogs hit on the trunk of the car
    7. body farm evidence confirms smell as decomposition
    8. coffin flies lead to decomp
    9. hair with "death ring" belonging either to KC or Caylee and we know KC is alive

    anything else I'm missing. Because after all of this I can certainly conclude without a reasonable doubt (actually no doubt) that there was a "dead body in the dam car"

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    Well, just to save a little time, let me sum up the thread thus far for any newcomers.

    *Car trunk contains hair with mitochondrial DNA that is consistent with Caylee.
    *Hair contains dark banding consistent with post-mortem decomposition.
    *Trunk contains garbage bag with maggots and coffin flies.
    *Garbage bag contains papertowels/napkins with substance consistent with adipocere.
    *Air test indicates chemical signature unique to human decomposition.
    *Smell in car consistent with human decomposition (multiple reports)
    *Owner of car reports smell to friend as coming from death of an animal (not garbage in her trunk.) Car owner leaves car at Amscot. 6 months later (long after garbage bags have been removed) it is reported that the smell of death in the car is still overwhelming.

    Car owner's daughter is missing and months later found deceased--packaged like garbage and thrown in the woods 1/4-1/2 mile from car owner's home in garbage bags and laundry hamper consistent to those found in the home. Oh, and a rather rare (according to the manufacturing company) duct tape on her skull--and guess what--that same rather rare duct tape is found on gas cans that are in the home of the car owner and were once in the trunk of the car owner.


    Obvious conclusion...All of the above were caused by lunchmeat.


    Ladies and gentlemen, Caylee Anthony was killed by a ham sandwhich. The defense rests.

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    I don't think this has been documented in this thread, so adding it in:

    George Anthony, OCSO interview July 24 2008:

    But then she said it in a way, she says, ‘George, it was the pizza, right?’ And I said, ‘Yeah (affirmative), it was the pizza.’ And that’s what I left it go at that, but. I’m sitting here as the grandfather, as the father, as George Anthony and as a guy who smelled the smell before years ago and you just never forget it. I even stuck my nose down on it and I’m, I’m concerned.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phumi View Post
    Well, just to save a little time, let me sum up the thread thus far for any newcomers.

    *Car trunk contains hair with mitochondrial DNA that is consistent with Caylee.
    *Hair contains dark banding consistent with post-mortem decomposition.
    *Trunk contains garbage bag with maggots and coffin flies.
    *Garbage bag contains papertowels/napkins with substance consistent with adipocere.
    *Air test indicates chemical signature unique to human decomposition.
    *Smell in car consistent with human decomposition (multiple reports)
    *Owner of car reports smell to friend as coming from death of an animal (not garbage in her trunk.) Car owner leaves car at Amscot. 6 months later (long after garbage bags have been removed) it is reported that the smell of death in the car is still overwhelming.

    **Butyric acid, a volatile fatty acid released in decomposition was scraped from the trunk liner and yielded a post mortem interval of 2.6 days

    Car owner's daughter is missing and months later found deceased--packaged like garbage and thrown in the woods 1/4-1/2 mile from car owner's home in garbage bags and laundry hamper consistent to those found in the home. Oh, and a rather rare (according to the manufacturing company) duct tape on her skull--and guess what--that same rather rare duct tape is found on gas cans that are in the home of the car owner and were once in the trunk of the car owner.


    Obvious conclusion...All of the above were caused by lunchmeat.


    Ladies and gentlemen, Caylee Anthony was killed by a ham sandwhich. The defense rests.
    I added an important piece of state's evidence to your list in bolded red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phumi View Post
    Well, just to save a little time, let me sum up the thread thus far for any newcomers.

    *Car trunk contains hair with mitochondrial DNA that is consistent with Caylee.
    *Hair contains dark banding consistent with post-mortem decomposition.
    *Trunk contains garbage bag with maggots and coffin flies.
    *Garbage bag contains papertowels/napkins with substance consistent with adipocere.
    *Air test indicates chemical signature unique to human decomposition.
    *Smell in car consistent with human decomposition (multiple reports)
    *Owner of car reports smell to friend as coming from death of an animal (not garbage in her trunk.) Car owner leaves car at Amscot. 6 months later (long after garbage bags have been removed) it is reported that the smell of death in the car is still overwhelming.

    Car owner's daughter is missing and months later found deceased--packaged like garbage and thrown in the woods 1/4-1/2 mile from car owner's home in garbage bags and laundry hamper consistent to those found in the home. Oh, and a rather rare (according to the manufacturing company) duct tape on her skull--and guess what--that same rather rare duct tape is found on gas cans that are in the home of the car owner and were once in the trunk of the car owner.


    Obvious conclusion...All of the above were caused by lunchmeat.


    Ladies and gentlemen, Caylee Anthony was killed by a ham sandwhich. The defense rests.
    Great Summary! And IIRC, the same death bands were found on the hair from Caylee's "hair mat". If and I believe this to be the case, the dark bands were not found on the hair from the hairbrush, some of which must be Caylee's and not the dogs, did not have this band, this strengthens the conclusion that the hair in the trunk was from a dead Caylee.

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    Can hardly wait for the report on the vacs in the garage!!!!!

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    I am (to quote Valhall) kerflunkled that we even have a second thread on this. The poll (which is decently sized) on the other thread shows that over 95% of respondents are absolutely convinced a dead body was in the trunk of the Pontiac; with less than another 4% somewhat certain. Less than 1% of the posters who responded are either unsure if it was a body or food or are completely convinced it was not a dead body.

    If you add the fact that virtually all of the professionals (whether vetted or not, it's easy to see who can talk shop over there) agree with the majority and the rest of the few dissenting opinions against the conclusion read like reasonably constructed arguments using Wikipedia or other layman sources as evidence, (or like a layman's attempted translation of professional articles), I'd say it's pretty clear this is one dead horse.

    All I can say is, I simply cannot argue with the experts on this one. It appears the overwhelming majority of responders (99%) agree that either the scientific evidence suffices or that it is a very likely and reasonable conclusion when put in context with everything else we actually know about the defendant and her behavior and activities (minus the rampant speculation on improbable alternate scenarios).

    It is most certainly a sign we need new doc dumps that we are starting on our 25th page on the subject! moooooooooooooooooo
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    The most likely conclusion at this point is that this particular issue clearly seems to be a problem for the defense. JMO

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    Many thanks to everyone who provided so much excellent information, and helped me to understand this topic in such excruciating detail over and over and over yet again.

    At this point, all logic, reason, and common sense tells me that it is more highly likely to be true than untrue that there was a dead body in the dam car, well beyond any hope of a shadow of a doubt.

    Seriously though... you all rock!


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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    The most likely conclusion at this point is that this particular issue clearly seems to be a problem for the defense. JMO
    ITA - trying to minimize the other evidence by debating the forensics in the trunk is likely to backfire, imo. I think it will look to a jury like splitting hairs (or molecules) to obfuscate the other evidence that points to the defendant.
    "Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" - Voltaire


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    Quote Originally Posted by manatee View Post
    ok. I think it's about time that we can at least agree that there was a dead body in the pontiac.
    Here what I have if anyone want's to disagree please do so:

    1. KC discusses smell...speaks of a "dead squirrel"
    2. CA says the car smells like "there is a dead body in the dam car.'
    3. GA talks about the dead body smell in car
    4. LA talk about the dead body smell in car
    5. LE talks about the dead body smell in car
    6. two independent cadaver dogs hit on the trunk of the car
    7. body farm evidence confirms smell as decomposition
    8. coffin flies lead to decomp
    9. hair with "death ring" belonging either to KC or Caylee and we know KC is alive

    anything else I'm missing. Because after all of this I can certainly conclude without a reasonable doubt (actually no doubt) that there was a "dead body in the dam car"
    10. Towyard guy said the car smelled like there was a dead body in it.
    I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it left.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    The most likely conclusion at this point is that this particular issue clearly seems to be a problem for the defense. JMO


    Precisely!! An inordinate amount of research and effort is being expended on this specific piece of evidence that when placed into the broader context, like the witness statements (e.g., GA) --- is a no brainer.

    Obviously this is a core concern for the Defense that so much creative work is placed in trying to debunk it and it just cannot be debunked --- unless you migrate from facts in play into abstract creative opinion.

    It all depends upon what the meaning of 'is' is.
    Disclaimer: All posts are my own humble opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.



    Justice for Caylee

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    She killed her daughter. Drove around with her in the trunk for 3-5 10 however many days and was "caught out" by her silly azz mother. Revolting that a mom can kill her daughter; utterly disgusting that her own mother (the grandmother) is willing to do ANYTHING to cover up. I can't wait for this whole mess to be put to rest. KC in jail for life or the dp. That's all folks. Move right along...

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    When you stop and think about it a forum such as Websleuths is an excellent way to test out defense theories to see if they will fly with a jury. It appears the trunk issue needs more work. But we all pretty much figured that out a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    When you stop and think about it a forum such as Websleuths is an excellent way to test out defense theories to see if they will fly with a jury. It appears the trunk issue needs more work. But we all pretty much figured that out a long time ago.
    Yes, the defense has their work cut out for them. If they decide to try to offer an alternative explanation, it has to be one that the jurors will be able to, as they will be instructed, use their common sense to decide if that alternative explanation is logical, reasonable, and more highly likely to be true than untrue.

    As much as we've torn this evidence apart six ways to Sunday and been unable to come up with anything jurors might be able to do that with, I just don't know what the defense will do.

    They're between a rock and a hard place.

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