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    Quote Originally Posted by grayjay View Post
    Mousse, I apologize if I am out of line in defending the choice of Susan to move to SLC. I don't actually understand what you mean by a pretense. I don't understand what Josh has to do with my comment. So how can you say at once my comment makes no sense, and I am close to the case?

    I pray for Susan and her family as I do for my own. I only meant to further the thinking about her situation and choices based on how I might support those of my own daughter.
    can no longer hold tongue, WHATEVER grayjay.
    No one will ever agree with you. or you'se guys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonmoussetart View Post
    can no longer hold tongue, WHATEVER grayjay.
    No one will ever agree with you. or you'se guys.
    after anger here, I say to myself........Sing Softly, Wood
    Last edited by lemonmoussetart; 01-17-2010 at 05:42 AM.


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    My wife was mistaken if she thought I'd shelf it;
    I can't do that. I'm too selfish.
    Where is Susan?
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    Well, whatever led to Susan deciding to move to the SLC area, it led to her eventual disappearance and probable murder. And I firmly believe that Josh is responsible for that.

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    I remember when humor first started showing up in the Caylee Anthony case. It was out of self-preservation! Casey, the Anthony's, and Baez outraged us so much that in defense of Caylee we had to lighten some moments or self-implode.

    It does finally get to a little humor in every case, but never toward the victims. Through extreme sadness, we sometimes have to smile and lighten the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonmoussetart View Post
    many of us knew from the beginning....

    Am writing this with heavy heart: when you said: choices based on how I might support those of my own daughter.

    I am compelled to ask: are you C, or P in nature. Until then, will say nothing.
    Though my heart bleeds for one side, and know we are all with one side, possibly you, but if you cannot make that clear, you will have enemies here. So, who are you? Speak now.....
    Oh, now I get it. I try to be level headed about this, but I thought made it it clear, I'm all about the plight of the daughter. I have one if a very eerily similar situation-- in terms of religion, economics, age, and so much more. I don't want to think this site is only about one side or another, but about finding the truth and the missing. I hope this helps you and those who are quick to judge. I am not. I didn't actually decide my leanings until I read SP's sick poetry. What an asshat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel View Post
    I think that was probably just what he was waiting for and trying to head off in his marriage and probably what the calls were about everyday to Josh. Get ready Josh she is going to make a unilateral move. Make it first son.
    Oh my gosh!!! I found the 'about' section so downright eerie, disturbing, telling, confusing, tangled up, crazy....that I had to post right away..Oh my gosh!! SP is a FRUITLOOP!!! He works for the prison, right?


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    Dont know if this was posted yet or not:

    Police gathering evidence in Powell caseBy Pat Reavy

    Deseret News

    Published: Saturday, Jan. 16, 2010 10:27 p.m. MST


    WEST VALLEY CITY — Test results from forensic evidence gathered in the case of missing West Valley mother Susan Powell are reportedly starting to come back to police investigators.

    On the "Friends and Family of Susan Powell" Facebook page, Powell's father, Chuck Cox, wrote that the investigation was proceeding.

    "Some of the forensics have been completed some have not, police cannot comment on specifics as it could impact the ongoing investigation," Cox wrote.

    Susan's friend and Cox family spokeswoman Shelby Gifford said West Valley police have been providing Cox with regular updates.

    "The investigation is complex. We're happy they report back to us and are making progress. We're confident they're dotting all the i's and crossing the t's," she said.

    As for Cox's comment regarding the forensic test results, Gifford said it was only meant to be an update that the case was moving along.

    "There's a whole series of tests to be run. There are a lot of components to it," she said. "It isn't a specific item."

    Susan Powell has been missing since Dec. 7. Her husband, Josh Powell, remained a person of interest because of his lack of cooperation with police. In his Facebook update Friday, Cox said there was "still no cooperation or help from Josh."

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...-evidence.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercyVeer View Post
    If looking at Susan as a possible DV victim and a possible victim of the worst type of DV, we see well-established and documented patterns. IMO and experience, these patterns of behavior between men and women transcend religion, economic accomplishment or lack thereof, race, location, time, and more. These patterns often include, for some reason, the victim moving away from the family. It is astoundingly common to see the victim losing control of the vehicle, money, phone, computer, home, etc. There is a natural progression. Many victims are not allowed to go to church or work at some point. What always got me was, these controllers do not know each other, or have a secret network, but they do the same things, case after case. This is why I lean towards Dear Susan getting in a confrontation with her spouse and this being the cause of her disappearance. Her case is classic IMO. I pray she will be found soon.
    http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14042094?IA...www.sltrib.com Salt Lake Tribune 20th December

    A year before she disappeared, Susan Powell told a wide circle of friends she was preparing for the worst if she sought a divorce: that her husband might try to kidnap their sons and break her financially.

    She said she had set up a separate bank account, arranged a place to stay if she decided to leave, and had informally written a will, according to friends who requested anonymity because they are not authorized by police to speak about the investigation. And Susan Powell made sure many knew of her preparations.

    Susan Powell ultimately decided to stay and work on the relationship after fasting and praying.
    and later in the same article:

    Friends said they told her the relationship wasn't healthy and confirm that they encouraged Susan Powell to leave her husband, whom they have described as controlling and emotionally abusive. A friend has said Susan Powell was at one point poised to return to Washington with the aid of her parents.

    Joshua Powell, 33, was upset his wife was depositing money into an account he didn't have access to, said friends who added that they encouraged Susan to stand up to him. Family members have said the couple got marital counseling at Susan Powell's urging.

    http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14035282?IA...www.sltrib.com Salt Lake Tribune 22nd December

    Susan and Joshua Powell moved to Utah about five years ago, after stints working in assisted-living facilities in Yakima and Olympia, Wash., didn't provide them with enough income to start a family.

    The couple picked Utah because Joshua's sister, Jennifer Graves, and his mother lived there, Chuck Cox said.
    Same article:

    After Susan's disappearance, court records revealed that she and Joshua had about $200,000 in debt, including a large amount of credit card debt.

    Susan gave up her goal of working as a hairstylist shortly after relocating to Utah to help Joshua with his real estate business. She later worked with Fidelity and got a job at Wells Fargo, working as an assistant stockbroker, where she helped people with transactions over the phone.

    Susan tended to fall into the role as the family's main breadwinner as Joshua tried to make his career work, Chuck Cox said.
    BBM

    As PercyVeer highlights, we have a picture of an abusive and controlling husband. Susan was so scared of him she started stashing money, but he knew about it and was upset about it. Many other people also knew about it, as she made it common knowledge.

    At the same time, she's been the main breadwinner, he thinks he should have access to the money she earns, and between them (i.e. Josh alone) they've run up $200,000 in debt. Sadly she gave up a potential career as a hairdresser, something she would have enjoyed and would have been good at, to support his failed business dealings.

    My first thought on seeing that $200,000 dollar figure was, how? What can you possibly buy to run up a debt of that colossal magnitude, by the age of 34?

    My wife suggested Josh's various attempts at starting his own businesses, and that's probably a big chunk of it. I think having a shiny new van when you could have bought something second-hand, spending money on a new generator when you don't really need one, and stuff like that. He may also have even been spending deliberately to minimise the amount she could save in her private account.

    Josh seems to have lived his life in a misplaced bubble of self-confidence, thinking he knows stuff, can handle stuff, and is good at stuff, when really he's a bumbling incompetent juvenile who has been mainly supported by his wife's income for the duration of his married life. He also seems to think the world owes him a nice lifestyle, when his earnings haven't matched up to that.
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    What a terrific synopsis, Bartelby, and thanks for the article you have cited. Your description in that last sentence is all too familiar. We certainly have a heck of a lot of men similarly trying to be the entrepreneur dude here in CA. Thank God most of them come to their senses and get a job when they have a family. Susan deserved better.
    If Marc could still smile big, so can I.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartleby View Post
    My first thought on seeing that $200,000 dollar figure was, how? What can you possibly buy to run up a debt of that colossal magnitude, by the age of 34?

    My wife suggested Josh's various attempts at starting his own businesses, and that's probably a big chunk of it. I think having a shiny new van when you could have bought something second-hand, spending money on a new generator when you don't really need one, and stuff like that. He may also have even been spending deliberately to minimise the amount she could save in her private account.

    Josh seems to have lived his life in a misplaced bubble of self-confidence, thinking he knows stuff, can handle stuff, and is good at stuff, when really he's a bumbling incompetent juvenile who has been mainly supported by his wife's income for the duration of his married life. He also seems to think the world owes him a nice lifestyle, when his earnings haven't matched up to that.

    Snipped for space and BBM. I agree with what you have said here.

    I also wanted to point out that around $100,000 of his debt was when/because he took out a huge loan to cover his real estate advertising through phone books! When I heard he did that I thought, are you kidding me?? So yeah, a lot of the debt was because he was trying to start up his business.


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    Excellent post, Bartleby. Now I see how it all fits into the DV picture. You summed up the scenario so that I see the connection with moving away in a totally different light. I won't defend the practice of supporting daughters to follow their own dreams even if they include moving away, although I would point out that it is quite widespread and doesn't always portend disaster.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OKand3Js View Post
    Snipped for space and BBM. I agree with what you have said here.

    I also wanted to point out that around $100,000 of his debt was when/because he took out a huge loan to cover his real estate advertising through phone books! When I heard he did that I thought, are you kidding me?? So yeah, a lot of the debt was because he was trying to start up his business.
    I vaguely remember reading about student loans somewhere as well, which added to that massive debt. Moving expenses aren't cheap either, especially for out of state. Buying the house in Uah, the cost of having the kids, gosh it all adds up so darn quick!!

    Edit to add:
    Its not uncommon for some people to relocate out of state for better employment hopes. Most I know, however, have a job lined up first, and then relocate after a few months establishment at the new job. Also remember reading that they moved to Utah due to Josh not having the best luck in keeping a job. He may have been running out of places to apply for work, having already burned bridges at many employers and also having established an unattractive reputation on the employment front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonmoussetart View Post
    nope blondy, to SPs thinking that's the norm for his family anywho

    firstly we have

    unilateral and secretive decision (by Mom)

    then...

    unilateral and secretive decision (by Dad)

    go figure! have NO problem rehashing this.....
    Can anyone explain what the heck he is saying by this???
    I can't follow SP garbage talk or music................
    KC used goofy big words and lanugage to feel important, IIRC
    I have tried to make sence of the lyrics to his music (?)
    How did he talk with his children?
    Messd up........and he is remarried???
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    Quote Originally Posted by passionflower View Post
    Can anyone explain what the heck he is saying by this???
    I can't follow SP garbage talk or music................
    KC used goofy big words and lanugage to feel important, IIRC
    I have tried to make sence of the lyrics to his music (?)
    How did he talk with his children?
    Messd up........and he is remarried???
    So when SP was a child, his father up and left, and one of SP's grandmas "kidnapped he and his siblings, telling them they would never see their mother again as she drove them away, and at one point poured cayenne pepper on SP's tongue for telling a playmate he'd been kidnapped????
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    less I like. Is it over yet? In my head
    I know nothing of your kind and I won't reveal your
    evil mind. Is it over yet? I can't wait
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