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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberborg View Post
    I just remember the babysitter on NG stating that she was hired to babysit for a few hours. Elizabeth was all dressed up sexy for a 'party' and was angry that the babysitter was late. This was reported to be about 11am.

    Elizabeth was only gone a couple of hours and obviously did not take Gabriel, so was NOT meeting candidate parents. She returned back quite perky.

    Maybe she earnt some travelling money?
    I thought of that when I was listening to the babysitter.
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    One of the things I thought of when I was listening to the show was about how the Smiths claim EJ picked up the baby on the 18th for a visit with his father. I think that is a lie because of all the crap that EJ had been saying about him all of the sudden she wants him to visit with him? And how did the Smiths know about her selling her stuff, renting the room and selling her dogs? That shows they knew she was planning on leaving and not coming back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by time View Post
    I think so. It's illegal. In fact, maybe it's a felony?

    Fraud
    Deception
    And she did drop them off at the courthouse, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamaeb View Post
    =) ok I Am the biggest, nervous dork so you probably heard my voice shaking LOL.
    Hooray for you - bless your heart, you were absolutely wonderful! I wish you could have had even more time! Your statements about the SS# and other examples were brilliant and really drove the point home.

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU !

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    Quote Originally Posted by SallyManda View Post
    So if this was posted previously please forgive me. Jack used to run a soundtrack/music production company in Nashville. I just think this is interesting.

    http://deon.sogospelnews.com/index/c...-disc-factory/
    Thanks for link, I a read things like this and didn't save the links!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamaeb View Post
    =) ok I Am the biggest, nervous dork so you probably heard my voice shaking LOL.
    I heard your voice shaking ... so what? Mine would've been shaking way more and I would've twisted all my words around. Anyone would be nervous their first time. You did great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamaeb View Post
    =) ok I Am the biggest, nervous dork so you probably heard my voice shaking LOL.
    Disclaimer: All posts are my own humble opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    So good to see you here, my friend :-)

    I think Eliz may have studied Caylee's case. Gives me a really creepy feeling. I keep thinking, what if she studied it here?
    I have been thinking the same thing BeanE..
    Almost to the point where if I were to sit and compare the two, and what EJ possibly learned from Casey's mistakes....I imagine we could come up with tons of things..
    Scares me to think of just how many more crazy mother's out there followed Casey's case learning what ways they could get away with it, or what could get them away with it long enough to leave the country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by passionflower View Post
    Wouldn't changing legal papers with fraud names (like the cousins)
    be enough to charge the smith's???
    If I remember correctly the term is " Abuse of Process? "
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    Someone is blasting her page with comments/questions....

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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    And she did drop them off at the courthouse, right?
    Yes, I'm pretty sure she did

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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    And she did drop them off at the courthouse, right?
    And she admitted on tape, on NG's show, that she did all this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mydailyopinions View Post
    I have been thinking the same thing BeanE..
    Almost to the point where if I were to sit and compare the two, and what EJ possibly learned from Casey's mistakes....I imagine we could come up with tons of things..
    Scares me to think of just how many more crazy mother's out there followed Casey's case learning what ways they could get away with it, or what could get them away with it long enough to leave the country?
    Oh mdo, copycats have been a big fear of mine for some time now. It's such a horrible thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    I thought of that when I was listening to the babysitter.
    Ok this may be weird and not what Elizabeth did, but I was a single mom... and when I had extra money and the ability to have time alone I loved to go get my hair, nails, massage....although it was very rare when I got the chance. Maybe she did that then? Maybe, IDK... but if she had just gotten money and needed time away from Gabriel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy Road View Post
    And she admitted on tape, on NG's show, that she did all this.
    Well then I definitely think she could be charged with fraud! MOO
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    After listening to the show, my heart fell.
    I think our Angel Gabriel is gone.
    The full text to Logan was very detailed...........as one speaker said.
    I am beginning to think it did happen, similiar to that.
    Like kc, throw away baby and go party!! New life! New ID. New state.........
    If he was sold EJ would have money and could tell where he is.
    This all back fired on the Smith's who thought they had Gabriel without any hitches.
    $500. could be just a couple 'tricks'...........
    The Smith's have to pretend there is hope.........to throw LE off of them.
    His tiny body may never be found.......if EJ threw him away, it's to late.
    They threw everyone off with a live baby.
    Smith's & Eliz is very VAGUE about everything!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamaeb View Post
    Ok this maybe weird and not what Elizabeth did, but I was a single mom... and when I had extra money and the ability to have time alone I loved to go get my hair, nails, massage....although it was very rare when I got the chance. Maybe she did that then? Maybe, IDK... but if she had just gotten money and needed time away from Gabriel.
    I do remember "having her nails done" as one thing mentioned after her arrest, among other things like shopping and so forth. So, you might be right. Not all nail salons book appointments though but some still do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mydailyopinions View Post
    I have been thinking the same thing BeanE..
    Almost to the point where if I were to sit and compare the two, and what EJ possibly learned from Casey's mistakes....I imagine we could come up with tons of things..
    Scares me to think of just how many more crazy mother's out there followed Casey's case learning what ways they could get away with it, or what could get them away with it long enough to leave the country?
    I don't really think that many Mothers are studying KC as a "How To Kill A Child And Get Away With It" manual, nor do I think they are using WS as a guide either. I do , however, believe when someone is this off balanced and has a child in their care and someone else takes advantage of the situation instead of alerting authorities that a child may be in danger is a crime in and of itself. Not many women especially this young are going to leave the country, and leave their family/friends behind most don't even have a passport to do so. I could be wrong too!
    Burn the candles, use the nice sheets, wear the fancy jewelry and lingerie. Don't save it for a special occasion, Every Day Is Special.

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    ok, TPS admitted she wrote CC's name on the court documents
    do we know if she SIGNED his name? or just filled it in?
    Last edited by LadyL; 01-18-2010 at 12:22 AM. Reason: oops wrong word

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    Oh mdo, copycats have been a big fear of mine for some time now. It's such a horrible thought.
    I've been thinking about it too BeanE. And I hate to say this...all this publicity surrounding the search of this baby is good, but also bad. I think the psuedo celebrity goes to these criminals heads! Look what it has done to the Anthony's. They're faces are plastered all over the media and they are making $.

    Hate to be so cynical, but that's what I'm seeing...

    ETA -the most important thing however is finding these children

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamaeb View Post
    Ok this maybe weird and not what Elizabeth did, but I was a single mom... and when I had extra money and the ability to have time alone I loved to go get my hair, nails, massage....although it was very rare when I got the chance. Maybe she did that then? Maybe, IDK... but if she had just gotten money and needed time away from Gabriel.
    What is so sad about the thought that she needed time away from him is that she was just away from him for what 10 days? Too, she was on the run..
    I would think that being on the run the last thing on her mind would be her nails..
    But then again, just like with Casey, a scared mother who had their child kidnapped (sarcasm and all) got a tattoo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyL View Post
    ok, TPS admitted she wrote CC's name on the birth certificate

    do we know if she SIGNED his name? or just filled it in?
    Not on the BC, on the paternity pleadings that were filed with the court.
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    About the babysitter .... Analisa also stated on NG that EJ wanted her to babysit Gabriel at her own house, which was very very bizarre since EJ was only gone about 2 hours and it made absolute sense to babysit at the hotel.

    It made me wonder if EJ was looking for a babysitter to take Gabriel home and then disappear on them?

    However, I discounted this since if it was just a babysitter who Gabriel was dumped on, why not come forward?

    It seems that EJ tried some things to dump Gabriel and then took more assertive action in a moment of frustration or desperation -- or negligence.

    [If the Smith's were willing I don't get why EJ never handed Gabriel off to them, even though Logan was against it ... she went against his wishes anyway!]
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamaeb View Post
    Ok this may be weird and not what Elizabeth did, but I was a single mom... and when I had extra money and the ability to have time alone I loved to go get my hair, nails, massage....although it was very rare when I got the chance. Maybe she did that then? Maybe, IDK... but if she had just gotten money and needed time away from Gabriel.
    But I think Eliz did that in FLORIDA after Gabriel was GONE!
    not during the 2 hour babysitter,IIRC
    Last edited by passionflower; 01-18-2010 at 12:27 AM.
    Kyron, HALEIGH, ADJI & Gabriel NEEDS PRAYERS NOW TO FIND THEM!. Zahra & Jonathan in heaven
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyL View Post
    ok, TPS admitted she wrote CC's name on the court documents
    do we know if she SIGNED his name? or just filled it in?
    I think this was on paperwork Elizabeth was turning in to give guardianship to the Smiths, not the Birth certificate, but I may be wrong.
    And they had LM as dad and CC as a possible dad.

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