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  1. #46
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    Ok, this may be a dumb question, but long ago I decided the only dumb questions were the ones never asked.

    If I understand this correctly, the application for GW would have had to include both himself and a child. The application for the parent also included an area to list all children that would be traveling with the parent. What I want to clarify is when Annasmom got the copies of the passport applications she would have gotten one or two. Where there two, one for the original and a second for the replacement? And neither showed GW having added Anna to his passport. Would he have had Anna on the original and not the replacement then claimed it was burned so she no longer showed as being on the passport?

    Is that how that works?

    TIA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Ok, this may be a dumb question, but long ago I decided the only dumb questions were the ones never asked.

    If I understand this correctly, the application for GW would have had to include both himself and a child. The application for the parent also included an area to list all children that would be traveling with the parent. What I want to clarify is when Annasmom got the copies of the passport applications she would have gotten one or two. Where there two, one for the original and a second for the replacement? And neither showed GW having added Anna to his passport. Would he have had Anna on the original and not the replacement then claimed it was burned so she no longer showed as being on the passport?

    Is that how that works?

    TIA!
    I received all GW's passport applications (I think it was four), going back to age 20. Anna's name was not mentioned on any of the applications. The Sheriff's office had the passport people check to see if a passport had ever been issued to Anna under her real name; they found none. This does not preclude having a passport amended, as far as I know (and then destroyed), or having a fake passport, or having a passport for Anna under another name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annasmom View Post
    I received all GW's passport applications (I think it was four), going back to age 20. Anna's name was not mentioned on any of the applications. The Sheriff's office had the passport people check to see if a passport had ever been issued to Anna under her real name; they found none. This does not preclude having a passport amended, as far as I know (and then destroyed), or having a fake passport, or having a passport for Anna under another name.

    That's exactly what I thought, so the information would not rule out that Anna was not taken or arranged to be taken overseas by the two G's.
    ~JMO~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annasmom View Post
    I love your Mozart quote, Petchie. My little boys were on my passport in the sixties.
    Thank you. I am trying to learn to think more outside the box.

    Sometimes, I think, that we all see the "notes" when looking for missing persons or unidentified persons, but we forget to look at what isn't there as well. It may be the "silence" that holds the answer.

    I have been reading the posts here for over a year but never had much to offer. I wish you well in your search and will try to help however I can.
    "Silence is very imporant. The silence between the notes are as important as the notes themselves." - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

  5. #50

    TWA Passenger List Followup

    Dr. Doogie,

    I hope you don't mind, I emailed the St. Louis Mercantile Library to find out about the TWA passenger lists which were to be archived. This is the email I received.

    "The TWA Collection has still only been partially processed and at this time the finding aid does not contain any passenger lists. Please let me know if I can answer any additional questions or concerns."


    Sincerely,

    Curator, Special Collections

    ~~ This is disheartening information in that we thought/hoped that the TWA passenger existed and were to be archived. I wonder where they are and if they are accessible in the near future?

    Question: If G. Waters decided Anna would fare well in Italy, and if he contacted the Italian Consulate, would the Italian Airways have lists/stamps of visitors to their country?

    SK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SideKick View Post
    Dr. Doogie,

    I hope you don't mind, I emailed the St. Louis Mercantile Library to find out about the TWA passenger lists which were to be archived. This is the email I received.

    "The TWA Collection has still only been partially processed and at this time the finding aid does not contain any passenger lists. Please let me know if I can answer any additional questions or concerns."


    Sincerely,

    Curator, Special Collections

    ~~ This is disheartening information in that we thought/hoped that the TWA passenger existed and were to be archived. I wonder where they are and if they are accessible in the near future?

    Question: If G. Waters decided Anna would fare well in Italy, and if he contacted the Italian Consulate, would the Italian Airways have lists/stamps of visitors to their country?

    SK.
    If GW took Anna to Italy, wouldn't she have become an illegal immigrant once her visa ran out? Would the Italian government have lists of people that have over stayed their visa? Maybe someone could contact the Italian consulate and find out. If they do have lists we might be able to get the names of any children, girls and boys (it would be easy to cut Anna's hair and dress her as a boy) that over stayed their visa in 1973.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzzieMum View Post
    If GW took Anna to Italy, wouldn't she have become an illegal immigrant once her visa ran out? Would the Italian government have lists of people that have over stayed their visa? Maybe someone could contact the Italian consulate and find out. If they do have lists we might be able to get the names of any children, girls and boys (it would be easy to cut Anna's hair and dress her as a boy) that over stayed their visa in 1973.
    I do remember reading about a possible connection to Italy a while back but I cannot remember why it was made. Can someone please refresh my memory!

    : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pink Panther View Post
    I do remember reading about a possible connection to Italy a while back but I cannot remember why it was made. Can someone please refresh my memory!

    : )
    GW's notes mentioned a visit to the Italian Consultate.

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    I believe there were no Visas needed for Italy in the 1970's.

    Quote Originally Posted by OzzieMum View Post
    If GW took Anna to Italy, wouldn't she have become an illegal immigrant once her visa ran out? Would the Italian government have lists of people that have over stayed their visa? Maybe someone could contact the Italian consulate and find out. If they do have lists we might be able to get the names of any children, girls and boys (it would be easy to cut Anna's hair and dress her as a boy) that over stayed their visa in 1973.

  10. #55

    'The Plan'

    Once again I thought it would be a good idea to reconsider the motive of The Plan, what it really mean't, the dates, MONY, stand for? Did anyone call them?

    The Plan

    1. Contact MONY--p (line on top) Final Arrangements - 2 L's have been made
    2. Apply for $100,000. (January 1973)
    3. 3 months negotiate -c (line on top) ACE
    4. 3 months later change B (beneficiary)?

    I know we have battered this before but the January 1973 is very interesting, then the next 6 months they negotiate and change Beneficiary...

    So then we're looking at March and June for the beneficiary change.

    This may have been answered in the past, does anyone recall if MONY was called to see if there is any paperwork on Waters account? Does MONY still exist?
    Waters Bank account: was that ever looked into? Did he have one in near the Tenderloin?

    Fresh Ideas Welcome!

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    Looks like MONY still exists as AXA Equitable.

    And the p with line is medspeak for "after"; the c with line means "with."

    I'm thinking ACE = Anna Christian Eiffee

    The 2 L's - now that has me stumped.

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    link to and copied photo of the plan

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/1162453...7601489072011/



    ~JMO~

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    We intially interpreted to mean something close to.

    Contact MONY (mutual of ?) with final arrangements after Lloyds ( of london ) ? been made.

    Interpreted to mean make arrangements with one insurance company after arrangements with the other had been made.

    Apply for ACE as B-scratched out.

    Interpreted as make arrangements for Anne Christian Eifee as Beneficiary - changed to B.

    3 months later increase to 5 - still ace (still Anna as beneficiary)

    3 months later change to B
    interpreted as meaning to Brody.

    In either of the best or worst case scenario- it is apparent they were scratching for legitimate reasons to provide an insurance provider with a good reason for such a substantial amount of insurance to be provided to GB.

    It is not easy in todays age, I think, to easily obtain a half million dollar life insurance police. The increases would have set off a red flag to the carrier. The two G's known habits would easily fall into finding ways around the red flags.

    Leaves me with the how to? for the two G's.

    I'm sure that is clear as mud..... but possible an angle with Berns dream about a wallet, stolen identity, matching up with a deceased child?
    ~JMO~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    We intially interpreted to mean something close to.

    Contact MONY (mutual of ?) with final arrangements after Lloyds ( of london ) ? been made.

    Interpreted to mean make arrangements with one insurance company after arrangements with the other had been made.

    Apply for ACE as B-scratched out.

    Interpreted as make arrangements for Anne Christian Eifee as Beneficiary - changed to B.

    3 months later increase to 5 - still ace (still Anna as beneficiary)

    3 months later change to B
    interpreted as meaning to Brody.

    In either of the best or worst case scenario- it is apparent they were scratching for legitimate reasons to provide an insurance provider with a good reason for such a substantial amount of insurance to be provided to GB.

    It is not easy in todays age, I think, to easily obtain a half million dollar life insurance police. The increases would have set off a red flag to the carrier. The two G's known habits would easily fall into finding ways around the red flags.

    Leaves me with the how to? for the two G's.

    I'm sure that is clear as mud..... but possible an angle with Berns dream about a wallet, stolen identity, matching up with a deceased child?
    Hi Cubby,

    I've been thinking for some time that we should have a thread just for the squibb notes. That way we could have them all in one place and post our interpretations of them. It would also make it so much easier to find a particular squibb note when we want to refer back to them if they are all at the start of the thread.

    I would do it if I knew how

    Don't know what you think, let me know.

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    I'm not sure we need a seperate thread for squib notes at this time but we can keep the option open.

    I'm not sure if members realize by clicking on the paper clip icon to the right of the thread title it gives the direct link to attachments.

    Here is the link for the attachments, including the squib notes, from the BFH thread part 1.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/mis...hments&t=50434

    Does this help?
    ~JMO~

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