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    The Smiths

    Mods, please feel free to delete if this isn't appropriate --

    I just felt it was important to have a place to put what info/background we have regarding Tammi and Jack since they are still POI's
    100 years from now, it won't matter what kind of car you drove or how big your house was. What will matter is that you were important in the eyes of a child.


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    http://www.kpho.com/video/22178557/

    Smiths named persons of interest

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    'Persons Of Interest' Take Polygraph Test

    http://www.kpho.com/news/22188104/detail.html

    Jack, Terri Smith: We're Doing Everything We Can To Help Find Gabriel Johnson

    POSTED: 4:01 pm MST January 8, 2010
    UPDATED: 5:31 pm MST January 8, 2010

    TEMPE, Ariz. -- A Scottsdale couple identified as "persons of interest" in the investigation into the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson took a polygraph test on Friday.

    snipped from article...

    Jack and Terri Smith said they're doing everything they can to help police find the missing infant.

    There would be nothing that they could charge us with because we have done nothing,” said “We've done everything that the police have asked us.”

    Tempe police said they believe the couple may know more about the missing child's whereabouts than they're telling investigators.

    Earlier this week, CBS 5 News was there for a phone conversation between the Smiths and Elizabeth Johnson, 23, who was arrested last week in Florida on suspicion of custodial interference after she didn't show up for a custody hearing in Arizona.

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    Article regarding TS falsifying paternity docs:

    http://www.kpho.com/news/22222086/detail.html

    But in the same call, Tammi Smith admitted she drove Johnson to court to file the paternity request. She even made three copies of the paperwork that clearly labeled her cousin, Craig Cherry, as the possible father of the boy she wanted to adopt.

    Smith told CBS 5 News she never read it because she was in a hurry.
    100 years from now, it won't matter what kind of car you drove or how big your house was. What will matter is that you were important in the eyes of a child.


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    I am still making my way around our new sub-forum. I'm sure I will be back to contribute to this thread soon. But in the meantime, I just want to say Smiths = HINKY.
    There is always HOPE!!!

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    The thing with Tammi is, If she had nothing to do with this case, she'd walk away. BUT SHE DOESN"T!

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    Originally Posted by eleven
    http://records.stbclerk.com/LandReco...QuickName.aspx


    Court records for St. Bernard Parish where Chalmette is located.

    CON4/30/1992CASH SALESECRETARY OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
    FACIO, TAMMI PETERSFACIO, , TAMMI FACIO[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI PETERS[+]
    LOT 54 GOLDEN PLACE SUB
    277320
    516 / 369
    2DetailFlag2 MTG3/30/1993
    CancelledCOLLATERAL MORTGAGEFACIO, TAMMI PETERS (Cancelled)PETERS, TAMMI FACIO (Cancelled)[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI PETERS (Cancelled)[+]
    AMERICAN GENERAL FINANCE INC
    LOT 54 GOLDEN PLACE SUB
    287410
    679 / 186
    6DetailFlag3 MTG3/30/1993
    CancelledREQUEST FOR NOTICE OF SEIZUREFACIO, TAMMI PETERS (Cancelled) (Cancelled)PETERS, TAMMI FACIO (Cancelled)[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI PETERS (Cancelled)[+]
    AMERICAN GENERAL FINANCE INC
    LOT 54 GOLDEN PLACE SUB
    287411
    679 / 190
    1DetailFlag4 CRI12/5/1994MISDRFACIO, TAMMIE P

    32:58 FAILURE TO MAINTAIN CONTROL
    172140

    DetailFlag5 MTG5/26/1995
    CancelledJUDGMENTFACIO, TAMMY (Cancelled)(Cancelled)[-]
    FACIO, TAMMY (Cancelled)[+]


    312134
    762 / 160
    1DetailFlag6 CON9/8/1995LEASEJONES, HAROLD
    FACIO, TAMMI
    8819 W JUDGE PEREZ
    315551
    590 / 530
    10DetailFlag7 MTG8/9/1996
    CancelledJUDGMENTFACIO, TAMMI (Cancelled)
    JONES, HAROLD L

    326724
    806 / 32
    1DetailFlag8 MTG8/13/1996
    CancelledMORTGAGEFACIO, TAMMI PETERS (Cancelled) (Cancelled)PETERS, TAMMI FACIO (Cancelled)[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI PETERS (Cancelled)[+]
    FIRST UNION HOME EQUITY BANK N A
    LOT 54 GOLDEN PLACE SUB
    326880
    806 / 265
    5DetailFlag9 CIV10/10/1996DIVORCE
    FACIO, TAMMY P

    80354

    DetailFlag10 MTG5/1/1997
    CancelledASSIGNMENT OF MORTGAGEFACIO, TAMMI PETERS (Cancelled) (Cancelled)PETERS, TAMMI FACIO (Cancelled)[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI PETERS (Cancelled)[+]
    FIRST UNION NATIONAL BANK OF NORTH CAROLINA
    RE MOB 806 #326880
    334637
    834 / 379
    1DetailFlag11 CON12/23/1997COMMUNITY PROPERTY SETTLEMENTFACIO, TAMMI P[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI P[+]
    FACIO, TAMMI P[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI P[+]
    LOT 54 GOLDEN PLACE SUBDIVISION
    342022
    637 / 523
    6DetailFlag12 MTG12/23/1997COMMUNITY PROPERTY SETTLEMENTFACIO, TAMMI P[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI P[+]
    FACIO, TAMMI P[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI P[+]
    LOT 54 GOLDEN PLACE SUB
    342022
    864 / 595
    6DetailFlag13 CRI8/19/1998MISCFACIO, TAMMIHOLMES, RAYMONDMORRIS, CORNELLWILLIAMS, CHRISTOPHER[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI[+]

    (SEE MINUTE ENTRY 8/19/98 "C")
    980819

    DetailFlag14 CRI10/12/1998MISCFACIO, TAMMI

    04 FORGERY
    217812

    DetailFlag15 CRI10/12/1998MISCFACIO, TAMMI

    04 FORGERY
    217813

    DetailFlag16 MTG1/29/1999CANCELLATIONFACIO, TAMMI
    JONES, HAROLD L
    RE MOB 806 FO 32
    355444
    915 / 394
    1DetailFlag17 MTG2/18/1999CANCELLATIONFACIO, TAMMY[-]
    FACIO, TAMMY[+]
    ANNALORO, JANICE M
    RE MOB 762 FO 160
    355998
    917 / 471
    1DetailFlag18 CRI8/21/2001MISCFACIO, TAMMI

    SIMPLE BATTERY
    256020

    DetailFlag19 CRI8/21/2001MISCFACIO, TAMMI

    DIST PEAC OFFENSIV LANG
    256021

    DetailFlag20 MTG11/14/2001CANCELLATIONFACIO, TAMMI PETERSPETERS, TAMMI FACIO[-]
    FACIO, TAMMI PETERS[+]
    AMERICAN GENERAL FINANCE INC
    MOB 679/186 & 679/190
    391145
    1050 / 191
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    Not WarrantedFile
    100 years from now, it won't matter what kind of car you drove or how big your house was. What will matter is that you were important in the eyes of a child.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OneLove View Post
    Concerning the above bolding:

    The Smiths have continued to keep up a fanpage with a phone number for tips for finding Gabriel that is not a phone number for tips for finding Gabriel. They have been told that by supporters and detracters alike.

    When TS's most ardent supporter on her fanpage asked her to please change to the correct numbers (I witnessed this) TS said something to the effect that it was "her detective's number".

    Since the tips are to go elsewhere, this not only delays the tips getting to where they could be properly processed, it obstucts the duties of the detective investigating Tammi by potentially flooding her with phone calls.

    I certainly hope all those people who are still continuing to get TS's FB posts with that number see through that ruse.

    If Tammi Fay really wanted to bring home Gabriel, she would have changed that phone number long long ago.

    I see that as yet another OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE issue, but one that is so obvious it is laughable, like an adult temper tantrum x3.
    Although it is the number for Detective Ramirez, who is working Gabriel's case. One of our members called, spoke to her and confirmed that.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by not_my_kids View Post
    Although it is the number for Detective Ramirez, who is working Gabriel's case. One of our members called, spoke to her and confirmed that.
    Yes, I meant that Tammi spoke of Det Ramirez as "her detective" as a narcissistic way to describe the Detective charged with investigating Tammi, lol. As I understand it, the tip numbers were set up to divert calls for proper processing and would then be passed on to where they should go. Did Det. Ramirez tell the websleuther that she wanted calls to go directly to that number rather than the numbers listed on the posters and the Bring Home Gabriel page?

    I'm not sure: is it Det. Ramirez's job to actually FIND Gabriel, or to investigate the criminal actions in the case? Who would be responsible for the actual ACTIONS to take Gabriel into custody if he is found? Would that be the FBI?
    Last edited by OneLove; 01-26-2010 at 04:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneLove View Post
    Yes, I meant that Tammi spoke of Det Ramirez as "her detective" as a narcissistic way to describe the Detective charged with investigating Tammi, lol. As I understand it, the tip numbers were set up to divert calls for proper processing and would then be passed on to where they should go. Did Det. Ramirez tell the websleuther that she wanted calls to go directly to that number rather than the numbers listed on the posters and the Bring Home Gabriel page?

    I'm not sure: is it Det. Ramirez's job to actually FIND Gabriel, or to investigate the criminal actions in the case? Who would be responsible for the actual ACTIONS to take Gabriel into custody if he is found? Would that be the FBI?
    I see your point. I'm thick at times, like now.

    As for who would take him into custody, that would be the first law enforcement officer to make contact with him, regardless of which agency.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.


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    Police: Missing Baby Case Has Nashville Ties

    http://www.kpho.com/news/22180215/detail.html

    Police: Missing Baby Case Has Nashville Ties
    Source Reveals Why Tammi, Jack Smith Are Now Person's Of Interest
    Pat McReynolds
    Reporter, KPHO.com

    POSTED: 10:28 pm MST January 7, 2010
    UPDATED: 5:33 pm MST January 8, 2010

    TEMPE, Ariz. -- Tempe investigators said they have gotten several tips about Gabriel Johnson from an unusual place -- Nashville, Tenn.

    According to those who know her, Elizabeth Johnson has never been to Nashville. She has no contacts there. But Tammi Peter Smith does. That's where she opened her first Healing Waters clinic back in 2004.

    Tempe police said they are taking the connection seriously, naming the Smiths as persons of interest in the case.

    "There would be nothing that they could charge us with because we have done nothing, we've done everything that the police have asked us," Tammi Peter Smith said.

    Tammi and Jack Smith said their only priority is the safe return of 8-month-old Gabriel, and said it was Elizabeth who was driving the adoption plans. Not them.

    "We did not do the adoption papers like she wanted. She wanted to keep pushing it along, pushing it along," Tammi Smith said.

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    Dr Lillian Glass body language analysis

    http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblo...-of-deception/

    To me, the body language of the Smith Couple- Jack and Tammi, whom Elizabeth Johnson told they could adopt Baby Gabriel is suspicious. My feeling is that it indicates that police should change their status from “People of Interest” to “People Who Should Be In the Next Cell Next to Elizabeth Johnson” While the recently released photos of the baby show him alive on the 26th of December, albeit abused and upset, what is equally disturbing to me was Tammi Smith’s sound bite on camera. Her communication skills and body language speak volumes to me.

    It is DEFINITELY odd that Tammi was:

    a. in contact with Elizabeth during the time period the baby went missing and

    b. that she was the only one allowed in the jail to visit Gabriel’s mother (whom she is attempting to throw under the bus by saying that she believed Elizabeth duped her and gave the baby to another couple. But now the more we learn, it appears more and more that TAMMI SMITH MAY BE THE MASTERMIND behind this whole ordeal .

    c. that she is still in contact with Elizabeth

    d. that Tammi said told her she must be “worried sick” when she had not heard from Elizabeth

    e. has a way too confident swagger and loud tone as part of her demeanor

    e. that she first met Elizabeth at a Boston airport.

    more at link above

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    Anyone notice the last interview with the Smiths that Jack was looking a little agitated or nervous?? I think he's always been nervous in the interviews, but that last one was particularly so to me. I'm wondering if he's about to crack.
    "Until you do right by me, everything you think about is gonna crumble... until you do right by me, everything you think about is gonna fail."

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    "We did not do the adoption papers like she wanted. She wanted to keep pushing it along, pushing it along," Tammi Smith said.
    Well that's a crock of BS! WHO facilitated the whole "fake paternity" carp, naming her cousin as the father so T & S would be free and clear to adopt Gabe? WHO put EJ in touch with an adoption specialist? WHO referred to Gabe as H's "baby brother" and the "new addition to our family"?

    This woman needs to stop talking! Well, maybe we don't want her to . . .
    100 years from now, it won't matter what kind of car you drove or how big your house was. What will matter is that you were important in the eyes of a child.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gibby207 View Post
    Anyone notice the last interview with the Smiths that Jack was looking a little agitated or nervous?? I think he's always been nervous in the interviews, but that last one was particularly so to me. I'm wondering if he's about to crack.
    Could you possibly give a link to that interview?

    Or alternately, could you tell me more information on what interview that was specifically so I can go find it?

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